NVIDIA DISASTER: thousands of GPUs faulty

Leigh Stark
01 August 2008, 3:10 PM


NVIDIA has admitted to a major manufacturing screw-up, which is seeing thousands of its GPUs overheating, burning out and failing.


NVIDIA have had a long history of making great graphics processors but lately there's something terribly wrong coming out of their factories.

If you bought a laptop with either the NVIDIA Geforce 8400M (M for Mobile) or 8600M in it, you can now stick yourself in the pile for people with bad luck. This includes laptops from the following brands (take a deep breath): Acer, Apple, Asus, BenQ, Dell, Fujitsu, HP, LG, MSI, NEC, Sony, Toshiba... to name a few. Now it's not with everyone, of course. If you hit your Control Panel and find yourself using either the 8400M or 8600M graphics processor, you're affected; everyone else can move on.

What's wrong with your computer might you ask? Something small that can affect it in a large way. Quite a few of the graphics chips NVIDIA have been producing are defective. We know that the rumour of every 8400M and 8600M chip being bad is probably true, but now we're hearing that it might extend to other models like in the mobile NVIDIA chips running off of the 6000 and 7000 designs. That's a lot of graphics chips and this can cause your computer to overheat, lock-up, and possibly not work.

What's troubling about all of this isn't so much that it's happened but the way in which it's being handled. While this news has been out for a week or two now, only two companies have really responded.

Both HP & Dell have released "fixes" for the issue at hand -- BIOS updates that will cause affected computers to fire up the fan when it's needed to cool down the problematic graphics chips so that they, you know, don't die. But this isn't really a solution. This is a fix in the same way that say putting a plank of wood over a hole in the road fixes a dodgy stretch of road. This is a quick fix that has its own issues.

On the one hand, updates that force your computer to cool itself down not only kill your battery life further but also leave you running the risk that now with the extra needed fan cycles, that cooling system built into your laptop might die sooner than expected. As a result, these "fixes" can be as damaging as the whole chip issue in the first place.

But at least Dell and HP are doing something about it. What about everyone else?

For instance, where is Apple amongst all of this and why aren't they informing their MacBook Pro customers that their shiny silver laptops might just stop working and provide issues? APC has previously covered the fact that the current-generation MacBook Pros are plagued with graphics glitches -- it seems likely that the NVIDIA hardware fault and Apple's on-screen graphics corruption is related, but Apple just isn't saying.

The real problem in this whole thing is that the companies using NVIDIA chips in products probably won't want to tell the public. Computers that die all of a sudden will be easier for them to replace on a one-by-one basis. Telling everyone that "your computer has an issue and needs to be returned" will only result in a ridiculous loss of face & money, and that's probably going to happen to NVIDIA too. They're already being sued by memory makers Rambus and now this has happened. It's not good news for NVIDIA at all; very bad news for computer makers that have got the faulty NVIDIA chips soldered onto their motherboards, and awful news for consumers who may have to fight tooth and nail to get their computer repaired, and then, be without it for weeks as technicians work through the backlog.

UPDATE: NVIDIA supplied the following response to this article:

NVIDIA’s highest priority is to ensure complete satisfaction and delight for all of our customers. We fully stand behind our products and are cooperating with our partners to resolve the recently announced notebook field failure issue.
 
Please remember the following:
 
1) The issue is limited to a few notebook chips only; we have not seen and don't expect to see this issue on any NVIDIA based desktops.
 
2) Only a very small percentage of the notebook chips that have shipped are potentially affected and the problem depends on a combination of environmental conditions, configuration and usage model.
 
3) We continue to work closely with our partners and have taken the necessary steps to ensure that all NVIDIA chips currently in production do not exhibit the problem.
 
As a result, it is very unlikely that your NVIDA based notebook product is affected.
 
Again, we truly appreciate our customers passion for our products and apologize for any inconvenience. We are dedicated to delivering quality products that raise the bar on graphics performance across the spectrum from the world’s fastest gaming desktops to the sleekest ultra-portables available.


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Obi-Wan Kenobi (New user):

Ooooh! This will hurt.

01 August 2008, 3:57 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Obi-Wan Kenobi:
Ooooh! This will hurt.

Yep ! Usually us retailers. We carry 4 of those brands mentioned.
We have been forewarned about this and have prepared our support department for the deluge of enquiries and complaints ......................... They're going on holidays for month ;)




01 August 2008, 4:06 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

agami (New user):

This reminds me of the famous case of Bite vs. Chew.

Nvidia may be spreading themselves too thin. Competing with ATi in the workstation, desktop, and notebook markets is pretty much a full time job. Then there are the consoles, the Tesla, Motherboard chipsets, and handheld. Drivers aside, there are SDKs, API's, and CGI applications.

01 August 2008, 4:04 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Rambus is suing nVidia? I thought Rambus had died a horrible death last time they tried mass suing. And what's with these companies that do nothing but hold patents and wait to sue, anyway?

01 August 2008, 5:05 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Potoroo (User):

I have an 8600M GT but it almost never gets used in 3D mode (I know strictly speaking Aero is 3D but it's so relatively undemanding the GPU runs at 2D power settings) so it rarely gets hot. Does anyone have solid information on what sort of thresholds are triggering the faults?

02 August 2008, 12:03 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jake (New user):

F*** i have that chip a Nvidia geforce 8400M GS
o well i keep my computer cool and always update its bios and mine is a HP.
i rember sony sent out a return form saying that some of there ps2 slims may be faulty due to massive demand and ours was suposed to be 1 to but hasnt broken anyway.

03 August 2008, 3:20 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (User):

Don't you just love the standard company response ?
" ... NVIDIA’s highest priority is to ensure complete satisfaction and delight for all of our customers."
I wonder if they'll go as far as replacing the defective GPU's ?
Because I demand complete satisfaction and delight :D

05 August 2008, 8:48 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Potoroo (User):

"The issue is limited to a few notebook chips only"

Nvidia refuses to publicly identify the affected chips. It's been up to the media to drag the truth out into the open kicking and screaming.

"Only a very small percentage of the notebook chips that have shipped are potentially affected"

One of the very few things Nvidia has publicly said is that it expects to take a financial charge of between US$150m - US$200m because of this problem. We know from the HP/Nvidia deal that the replacement cost is US$150 per unit and Nvidia is bearing US$75 of that. There is every reason to think the actual size of the problem could be up to ten times what Nvidia estimates, hence the stonewalling.

"As a result, it is very unlikely that your NVIDA based notebook product is affected."

Nvidia has been caught lying at every stage of this sorry affair and the truth is probably exactly the opposite. In April there was no problem at all (lie), then it was only one bad batch that affected a few HP units (lie), then it was only HP (lie). Process engineers scoff at Nvidia's claim they changed the manufacturing process for one batch of an EOL product so that's probably a lie.

Don't let the OEM's off the hook either. HP Nth America has extended the warranty on its affected models by 24 months but HP Aus and Dell, Apple, ASUS, etc have done nothing similar. Contact the ACCC or Consumer Affairs in your state, people. They're there for a reason. They have websites so file a complaint. The Trade Practices Act is there for your benefit.

07 August 2008, 11:22 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

qb89dragon (New user):

I have a vaio VGN-FZ11M and this issue has plagued me from the first month of owning the laptop, it's over a year now, and it has recently got alot worse. Sony tech support act like they don't want to know me, and are producing every excuse possible to not send me a new systemboard downgraded to Intel GMA. Thanks alot sony!

22 September 2008, 4:39 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

qb89dragon (New user):

(comment posted twice)

22 September 2008, 4:43 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

oskarbull (New user):

Yes, this has become a big problem for nVidia. As of today, HP, Dell and Apple offers extended warranty to the affected costumers. I'm still stuck with my Sony with a defect GPU and they won't do anything to help. If you're a VAIO owner with a problem, join us on this forum: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=268277 and sign this petition: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/vaioproblem/ .

I hope we can beat them :)

24 November 2008, 9:00 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

oskarbull (New user):

triple post

24 November 2008, 9:01 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

oskarbull (New user):

double post

24 November 2008, 9:01 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

??? (New user):

Exact thing has happened to my Dell Xps M1330 -.-

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CitUQCRCNHM

Above is exactly what happened t mine...random colours to begin, freezes, blue screens and now it wont even boot up, it just gives me vertical lines. Fortunatly i have a warranty and a person from Dell is going to be here tomorrow to fix it. I hope it isn't another fault!!!

I advise Everyone to et a warrenty who has Nvdia 8400 and 8600 seriesM.

18 December 2008, 4:36 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sepius (New user):

I have a Compaq with the 6150. It has been back 3 times now for repair, and although the fan works better now, I know it will go back again, thankyou for extended warranty. This is the second nVidia card I have ever owned, and the other one lasted just over 12 months. All my ATI, Intel and S3 cards still work, so I have been very unlucky with nVidia. I will never buy nVidia again, but HP/Compaq, thanks to extending their warranty on this issue will have a very loyal customer in me.

17 October 2009, 10:58 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

apt.pupil (New user):

bwahahahaha

i read a little something about this a couple of days ago in PCPP, but i thought nothing of it.

now i have taken the time to read what went wrong, and am glad that i now only choose AMD/ati gear.

if not for the massive price-performance advantage, i also have had every nVIDIA card on me fail within 6 months.

i have enough issues keeping track of receipts for warranties- so i choose AMD, and i have upgraded 3 cards in a row without really needing to- except for the imporved power

17 October 2009, 3:53 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Quoting apt.pupil:
if not for the massive price-performance advantage, i also have had every nVIDIA card on me fail within 6 months.


What the heck have you been doing to them? Or did you buy a long string of ultra-cheap nVidia cards followed by a decent ATI one?
I've used 8 different nVidia cards in my desktop over the years, and never had problems.

Regarding the topic of the article, it's a one off issue with a line of chips. This has happened to Intel, AMD and who knows how many other chip manufacturers... Bad designs happen, and you sometimes don't know until the products are out there.

17 October 2009, 11:21 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

apt.pupil (New user):

Quoting Tin:
What the heck have you been doing to them? Or did you buy a long string of ultra-cheap nVidia cards followed by a decent ATI one?
I've used 8 different nVidia cards in my desktop over the years, and never had problems.

Regarding the topic of the article, it's a one off issue with a line of chips. This has happened to Intel, AMD and who knows how many other chip manufacturers... Bad designs happen, and you sometimes don't know until the products are out there.


lol. my first one was a simple onboard geforce card. no surprise it went down in a couple of months. for that one, it got terrible artefacts- even on the windows XP desktop.

the second one was(at the time) a relatively high- end card: the 7900GTX.
what went wrong with that one was that within 6 months of owning it- the shaders went awry, and windows took on a wonderful technicolor look that only irritated me.

the costs to get it repaired(i lost the receipt) was not worth it- so i bought an el cheapo ati radeon 9550. that card lasted me nearly 2 years before i bought a RADEON 3850HD. that was wheni was converted. for $179 i had a card that flattened the same low- end nvidia cards with an overclock, and this wa susing AGP too.

i now have a 4850, and i am yet to have a complaint. it is not the best card out on the market, but i do not intend on running crysis on it.

the most demanding game i play on it is UTIII, and i can manage a very much playable 70fps in game




17 October 2009, 11:34 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sepius (New user):

Some would say it is not a 1 off issue, remember it also effects 6000 series and 7000 series as well. I have had 100% problems with only the 2 cards I owned. Granted it sits on the very unlucky side, but my current issue with the laptop has been ongoing for 3 years! and only now are they addressing/admitting the issue!. My other card was 6 years ago and died from a separate issue they never admitted to and refused warranty as it was over the 12 months ... only just! I cannot comment on AMD/ATI, S3 and Intel as I have never had them fail, to note around 15 ATI cards alone I own or have owned. Thanks to HP coming to the party before nVidia, I still have a working laptop.
EDIT
P.S. Just realised this is old news, its over a year old and came up in my google news 2 days ago??? I'm going back to play my PS3 now ... bye.

18 October 2009, 10:12 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tthe great Jonno (New user):

We all make mistakes.
But $66 Million worth, is a large amount of mistakes.
WTH happened?

15 May 2010, 1:53 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Phyl (New user):

Why can't these GPUs be made the same way the CPUs are made after all if GPUs heat up the same way the CPUs do, surely the architect of the GPU can be designed the same way as the CPU, at least there won't be any need of any solder parts at all, and put it some place else on the board.

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