OH DEAR: Mark Newton's epic anti-Conroy Rant

Renai LeMay
30 June 2010, 12:02 PM


Usually submissions to government committees are tame and boring to read. Not this one from Internode engineer Mark Newton, who has finally let it all out.


APC has read quite a few submissions to quite a few government enquiries and committees. Generally they’re produced by representative organisations like the IIA, AIIA or ATUG and are quite dry.

They typically examine both sides of an issue and come to a broad conclusion gently nudging the government in the direction of their members’ concerns, without telling the Government too explicitly what it should do.

There are other types of less diplomatic submissions — entries from companies which have very strong views on how they should be regulated, for instance. Or individuals who are experts in their field and are concerned by the issues raised — often academics from universities.

However reading through Internode engineer Mark Newton’s submission (PDF) to the Federal Parliamen’s Joint Select Committee on Cyber Safety the other day, it was apparent that Newton’s comments didn’t quite fit into any of these categories. Newton’s submission was, in fact, one of the most epix rants we have ever had the pleasure to witness.

Newton starts off politely enough.

“Thank you for the opportunity to address the Joint Select Committee on Cyber-Safety,” he writes. “I welcome the deliberations of the committee as an opportunity to provide the Australian Parliament with a realistic appraisal of the current state of the art of the Internet in Australia.”

But halfway through the document it appears Newton has gotten a little hot under the collar.

“The idea that the internet is a threatening place deserving of special governmental attention, fearful advisories to parents and onerous restrictions on children appears to be a uniquely Australian perspective,” he writes.

By the time you get to the end of the document you can’t help but realise that Newton is not just mad about the government’s attitude towards technology. Very mad. VERY mad. This is the main paragraph in his conclusion:

Internet censorship. Big red buttons. Websites that crash with the slightest provocation. eSecurity initiatives that attempt to make everyone except end users responsible for end-user behavior. A House Cyber-Security Committee that wastes the valuable time of expert witnesses by quizzing them about fabricated Hollywood movie plots, and recommends mandatory industry codes to force ISPs to respond to security threats which were obsolete years ago.

A Government anti-spam body which has made precisely zero difference to the amount of spam received by Australians. Content regulation which forces the ACMA to make reprehensibly foolish decisions, turning what should be a prestigious, respected regulator into a finger-wagging, tut-tutting grandmother.

Shoehorning ISPs and websites into the same Act of Parliament which regulates broadcasters, even though ISPs are more like the postal service, and websites are more like homes and businesses. A Minister who is pilloried for “spams and scams coming through the portal,” and who insists that the Government isn’t interested in restricting freedom of speech on the very same day that ACMA blacklists an anti-abortion advocacy site. Kevin Rudd’s $120,000 website.

The Government’s reprehensibly ignorant attacks on Google. Statements by MPs such as those made by the Hon. Maxine McKew, MP during her recent appearance on the ABC’s Q&A program, where she made the outrageous suggestion that the internet should be regulated like a newspaper rather than like a water-cooler discussion.

An approach to online copyright which legally encumbers the regular, day to day activities of millions of end-users, thereby encouraging a society-wide disrespect for copyright law. Public consultations yielding over 50,000 responses in favor of the establishment of an R18+ rating for computer games, put on the back-burner because, apparently, 50,000 responses is inadequate and more consultation is required.

Former Prime MInister Kevin Rudd’s ignorant use of the made-up term “band speed” to describe what the NBN will deliver to 90 per cent of Australians. A merry parade of politicians who would be lynched if they didn’t know the difference between interest rates and inflation rates, who see no shame in confusing “megabits per second” with “megabytes.”

This Government has literally no idea what it’s doing with the online environment, and has shown an outright refusal to be educated about it. Is it any wonder that so many people distrust them?

Oh dear.

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pmx (New user):

Mad is right. Not angry mad. Just mad.

30 June 2010, 12:22 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Fornax (User):

Yep he is mad. I think he should of got someone to proof read his work and if he did they were equally mad. If Internode get backlash from this I am sure they will let this loose canon go

30 June 2010, 12:45 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jezza (New user):

Why would he be let go? All he's said is what a lot of people are thinking. Good on him for formaly putting it in writing.

30 June 2010, 1:59 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Fornax:
If Internode get backlash from this I am sure they will let this loose canon go

If you would bother to know what the hell you were talking about you would be aware that Mr Newton had never put forward any submission on behalf of or purporting to represent his employer Internode. So what was it you were saying again about loose cannons, going off prematurely?

Unlike the Senator Conroy, Mr Newton actually does have a clue what he is talking about. Why shouldn't he get a little emotive about all the propaganda bull dust likely to have an negative outcome on the industry he works in?




30 June 2010, 2:54 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Fornax (User):

I am aware Newton didn't put forward the report on behalf of his employer but what Newton has choosen to do in his spare time is now reflecting poorly on his employer even if there is merit in his ramblings.
The reason he shouldn't have got emotive is because he is not writing a letter to the editor, a blog or an email. The government department who recives the submission is going to treat it with the contempt it deserves and dismiss it as the ramblings of a mad man. He had the oportunity to write something that could of been taken seriously and he wasted it and in the process by association embarrased his employer. I would be very surprised Newtons boss hasn't had a word to him

01 July 2010, 3:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

craigg (New user):

So the only time he should be allowed to speak his mind is if he is unemployed?

I'm sure the govt department would have gotten lots of very serious reports that say the same thing. At least this one is interesting to read for the mainstream.

Plus given the govt has seen fit to complain about his 'ramblings' in the past directly to his boss, they obviously are not discounting everything he is saying.

01 July 2010, 3:56 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Quoting Fornax:
The government department who recives the submission is going to treat it with the contempt it deserves and dismiss it as the ramblings of a mad man.


Unlikely - they are required to treat all submissions as submissions. Even if they are from mad men. If you think otherwise, you clearly don't know how this submissions process works.

01 July 2010, 6:11 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Fornax (User):

Quoting Tin:
Unlikely - they are required to treat all submissions as submissions. Even if they are from mad men. If you think otherwise, you clearly don't know how this submissions process works.

Tin I have worked in government and know how these things play out from the inside. I am sure it will get read but it will be by a low level gimp who will place it in the nut job pile.


02 July 2010, 11:19 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Fornax:
but what Newton has choosen to do in his spare time is now reflecting poorly on his employer even if there is merit in his ramblings.

Absolute bunkum, everyone is entitled to their own opinion in their own time. More to the point Newton's submission was right on target.


Quoting Fornax:
The government department who recives the submission is going to treat it with the contempt it deserves and dismiss it as the ramblings of a mad man.

If the ramblings of mad men were simply ignored the Filter proposal would have never been put forward.

Quoting Fornax:
He had the oportunity to write something that could of been taken seriously and he wasted it

Rubbish! The submission was taken seriously, and the added emotion has ensured a lot more people become aware of the issue.


Quoting Fornax:
I would be very surprised Newtons boss hasn't had a word to him

He's often on Whirlpool why don't you pose the question to him?


01 July 2010, 9:14 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Fornax (User):

Quoting Raindog:
Absolute bunkum, everyone is entitled to their own opinion in their own time. More to the point Newton's submission was right on target

Never said he didn't have valid points. My issue is with the delivery of those points. If Newton was talking about nuclear energy and he wanted to rant and rave like a looney I am sure his employer wouldn't care nor would it affect them but when he is discussing an area which his employer specialise in thats a different ball game.

Quoting Raindog:
If the ramblings of mad men were simply ignored the Filter proposal would have never been put forward.

I bet mad man Conroy who proposed the filter delivered his ill informed points in a contructive manner which is why it got so far.


Quoting Raindog:
Rubbish! The submission was taken seriously, and the added emotion has ensured a lot more people become aware of the issue.

Who are the other people who have become aware of the issues APC and whirpool readers who already have a good grasp of whats happening.




02 July 2010, 11:37 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Fornax:
I bet mad man Conroy who proposed the filter delivered his ill informed points in a constructive manner

Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, union bully boys are known for their civility and tact.

Quoting Fornax:
Who are the other people who have become aware of the issues

Oh perhaps the readership of SMH and The Age, you may have heard of those?


02 July 2010, 12:40 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Quoting Fornax:
I think he should of got someone to proof read


Irony?

30 June 2010, 6:59 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

craigg (New user):

Seems fairly sane if a little sensational. It will probably be the only submission that gets read, or at least appears in the press. Personally I would be a little mad as well. This is the guy whose boss was contacted by conroy because of his personal opinions posted on whirlpool is it not? The guy obviously feels strongly about this. He has just as much right to voice his opinions as the people that don't work for internode.

30 June 2010, 2:09 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Nian (New user):

The government hasn't listened to any sense on this issue before. Newton is correct about what he says and at least he had a chance to say it. Couching matters in diplomatic terms has gone unheeded. Newton's rant may get backlash but let's hope it wakes the nation up.

30 June 2010, 2:12 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

kaf (User):

It was actually a very good, and factually correct submission.

Admittedly he seemed to get angrier as he went on and some of his language became confrontational.

But someone needs to say these things, and if politicians will actually be reading this then maybe it will do some good.

I thoroughly enjoyed it and I'm comforted to know that someone who shares my views is actually being given a voice and at least a small chance to prompt a change in attitude in the government.

30 June 2010, 2:20 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Chad (New user):

"one of the most epix rants we have ever had the pleasure to witness."

sure it isn't epic? :)

30 June 2010, 2:39 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

pmx (New user):

I'm finding it hard going reading through the complete text of Mr.Newtons submission. It contains such a rich mix of hysterics, condescension, hypocrisy and spin, I have stop every couple of minutes to suppress my gag reflex.

Starting out with the implication that we've all, everyone, an entire generation, and then some, interacted with the internet as it is today since it 'arrived on our shores in the late eighties', the text is steadily heading into a downward spiral of paranoia and blind self-justification.

Mr.Newton clearly knows a 'moral panic' when he sees one, as he is doing his best to start his own.


30 June 2010, 4:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting pmx:
I'm finding it hard going reading through the complete text of Mr.Newtons submission.

If you have trouble grasping well explained concepts are you really in a position to comment on what is a fairly straightforward submission?


Quoting pmx:
It contains such a rich mix of hysterics, condescension, hypocrisy and spin

And of course Mr Conroy's presentations of spam portals, and tenuous linkages to child porn and all manor of other bogey men is not hypocritical?


Quoting pmx:
Starting out with the implication that we've all, everyone, an entire generation, and then some, interacted with the internet as it is today since it 'arrived on our shores in the late eighties

So what are you saying? Everyone is too stupid and needs the government to meddle with their affairs? You may think yourself in that category but the rest of Australia is a little more savvy.


Quoting pmx:
Mr.Newton clearly knows a 'moral panic' when he sees one

No Mr Newton recognises a crusading Moral panic merchant when he sees one and has called that same panic merchant on his ulterior motives. Like most of Australia Mr Newton has had a gutful of politicians creating menace by solving problems that don't exist, as a way for them to exert any form of media control they can grasp.


30 June 2010, 5:06 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

craigg (New user):

In reply to PMX: I wouldn't discount it outright. The concept of 'Digital Natives' etc comes up quite often where I teach. Especially now that they have started to enter tertiary education in greater numbers.

Personally I got online in the late 80's. I still remember thinking the WWW looked stupid and would never catch on, it sucked over my modem (usenet and IRC was the way to go). My much, much younger brother has always had the internet available in some form. These days he has a internet capable mobile permanently glued to his hands. I would classify him as a Digital Native.

30 June 2010, 5:07 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

I Geek and I Vote (New user):

Good on Mark Newton.
He is only telling the government what most enlightened interent users think.
Its about time someone told the Labor Governemnt just how unbelievably stupid and ignorant their bahaviour has been.
The filter policy is another of the Rudd era toxic policies that should be dumped.

30 June 2010, 5:28 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

pmx (New user):

I don't see that Conroy and the government are on a 'crusading' moral panic.
Their stated policy is to enforce the law as it is.
Fielding might be a on a crusade, and he'll be as successful as his predecessors .. i.e. not at all.

Mr. Newton has clearly strapped on the shiny armour and set off on a crusade to Canberra. Whipping up a moral panic about non-existent conspiracies and bogeyman come to take away something we never had in the first place.

I think that Mr.Newton is carrying a lot of baggage on his Crusade. Given his background he probably sees himself as a pioneer of the internet bringing all sorts of freedoms and rights to the oppressed masses through the saving power of digital communication.

Now he believes the goverment wants to stomp all over his life time of good works with its terrible laws and he appears to be having a hard time dealing with the reality check.



30 June 2010, 5:54 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting pmx:
I don't see that Conroy and the government are on a 'crusading' moral panic.

Enforcing a pointless and ineffectual filter upon us under the guise of "think of the tiny children" is not a moral crusade? Get real. More to the point it is one more move towards an ulterior motive of media manipulation and control by government. Political manipulation by stealth.


Quoting pmx:
Their stated policy is to enforce the law as it is.

But this filter wont enforce anything, it'll be as effective as a billboard telling criminals "Do not steal".


Quoting pmx:
Mr. Newton has clearly strapped on the shiny armour and set off on a crusade to Canberra.

Absolute rubbish! Mr Newton is justifiably frustrated by the meddling of clueless nincompoops within his industry.


Quoting pmx:
Whipping up a moral panic about non-existent conspiracies

Conroy is the one claiming to protect is from pornography. and anything else that doesn't line up with his moral and political ideology.

Quoting pmx:
I think that Mr.Newton is carrying a lot of baggage

Industry experience and expertise is now carrying baggage? Spin it again Sam.


Quoting pmx:
Given his background he probably sees himself as a pioneer of the internet

In comparative terms he is a pioneer, I'd rather accept the word of someone with wide industry experience than the word of a "jobs for the boys" union hack in a senator suit.


Quoting pmx:
Now he believes the government wants to stomp all over his life time of good works

Rubbish. Quite rightly Mr Newton has called Conroy's filter as a costly ineffectual and resource hogging waste of time.

Quoting pmx:
he appears to be having a hard time dealing with the reality check.

You appear to be having a hard time discerning experts from devious manipulators. Mr Newton holds no illusion over what is and what is not reality.


30 June 2010, 6:46 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Quoting pmx:
I don't see that Conroy and the government are on a 'crusading' moral panic.


I can think of a few quotes from Conroy that suggest otherwise - like his early-on assertion that people against the internet filter are paedophiles. Or his more recent response to a question about his personal views on the Refused Classification filter - he's "not into child porn".
He's purposely saying it that way to cause a panic with parents. And he's spent over 2 years on this, which some would call a crusade.

30 June 2010, 7:08 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

muttzz (New user):

Quoting pmx:
I don't see that Conroy and the government are on a 'crusading' moral panic.


Then you haven't been reading very closely.

30 June 2010, 10:45 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jezza (New user):

Whatever you've been drinking, i suggest you lay off it. It appears to be messing with your perception.

01 July 2010, 12:41 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Good on him! What he said is very clear, very to the point, and very much what the government needs to be told.
Did he mention that Australia is a laughing stock internationally in that rant? I would have.

30 June 2010, 7:14 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

GiantEgg (New user):

Holy crap. I think this puts my respect for internode right up there with iinet!
what a hero, he said it all so well.

30 June 2010, 10:47 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

libelle (New user):

Double post :|

30 June 2010, 11:56 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

libelle (New user):

This is awesome, and maybe it will make the less internet-inclined take a better look at what is going on.
I am yet to see any technologically backed arguments that support what the government is doing. The entire IT industry thinks the government is mental, and that doesn't seem odd? Come on. Listen to the experts.

30 June 2010, 11:59 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

JOEmedia (New user):

I really could not be prouder of Mr. Newton! This has actually made me consider switching to Internode!

If anything, I think he held back a little too much. If I were in his position, I certainly would have taken it much much further. What the government is doing is utterly outrageous in every sense of the word. Our government is the absolute LAST place I would look to start messing with our internet! And their disgusting and unprovoked attacks on internet heroes such as Google just shows how ignorant and out of touch they have gotten.

We really need to send a message to this government, and kick them to the curb before they mess this up any more, or we face a very draconian future indeed.

01 July 2010, 1:06 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

straker135 (User):

Watching this from the other side of The Ditch I hope our government dont follow your government's lead. Still you have left leaning state control minded party in power, at least until October/November, we have a right leaning crowd but both are building NBNs so it makes me wonder. From an advocacy perspective emotional rants may be very appealing and cathartic from the point of view of those who share the mindset but ministers dont like to made to look stupid and their reality distortion fields are pretty powerful so Mr Newton's points may go over their heads or bounce off their meter thick hides...

01 July 2010, 5:33 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

OzzyBloke101 (New user):

Mark Newton for Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy please!

02 July 2010, 1:06 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jezza (New user):

I'd 2nd that motion.

02 July 2010, 10:50 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

baldy1 (New user):

Absolutely brilliant!!!
I'm glad he didn't hold back on how he felt or maybe he did but just cut out the swearing...

03 July 2010, 12:10 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

baldy1 (New user):

Absolutely brilliant!!!
I'm glad someone has gotten mad about this proposed internet filter and it's regulation, I'd hate to think how mad he would of been if he used swear words as well.

03 July 2010, 5:44 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Psychaotix (New user):

I've read the submission a number of times, and I personally believe it actually gets to the point rather effectively.

A lot of the current generation of youth, myself included, don't know what the social environment was like before the Internet came about, and a lot of this generation also don't entirely comprehend the idea of the 'net not being there. Even when camping, you can be almost certain that there will be a smartphone in a pocket, on silent, just to get online to twitter/facebook/whatever else so that their friends can keep up to date on what they've been doing.

06 July 2010, 1:17 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

bigjobbruce (New user):

"Oh dear" ???

More like "Bravo" Mark Newton.

I read the entire submission and Mark brings some key points into the debate which are backed up with the facts. This is not some lose rant but rather an adept construct of relative points on familes, children, schools, the social and Government construct in Australia; how we (Australians & the Government) perceive the internet, how each generation use it and how we conduct ourselves on a Global front.

I think the author of this artical did not read Mark's work. But that is just my opinion - while I still have one.


Well Done Mark. I hope you are commended for this work.

07 July 2010, 3:11 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

JOEmedia (New user):

I completely agree. This is a very well thought out, researched, and worded submission. There is nothing close to 'mad' or 'spin' in there. He has gotten the point across very effectively and 100% of what he wrote is true.

This will also DEFINITELY get recognition as well, because is the one of the only (if not the only) submissions that members of the public have read or even know about.

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