Optus expands 3G network: ‘yes’, no, maybe?

David Neiger10 September 2008, 10:58 PM

Optus's Next G-challenger network sounds exciting, but the telco looks set to force customers into new contracts if they want to be able to use it.


Optus announced back in May it is rolling out expanded 3G network coverage to reach 98% of the population or approximately 1 million square kilometres. What is not highlighted however, is that most of Optus’s existing customers will not benefit from the expanded network unless they are prepared to either purchase new devices outright or renegotiate their contracts.

Unlike Telstra, which advised customers clearly that they would need new devices when it was rolling out its completely new 850MHz 3G network, Optus is mixing and matching 2,100MHz with 900MHz, whilst still calling it an expansion.

As a consumer, seeing Optus' frequent claims about expanding coverage, you might think that you can use Optus’s expanded network, but you'll soon discover that very few of the mobiles sold by Optus over the last few months are able to work with 900MHz UMTS (3G). Whilst virtually all 3G devices can use the 900MHz band, this is limited to GSM and GPRS which means that your 3G phone will drop back to Optus' 2G network at dial-up speed when outside of the 2,100MHz 3G coverage zones.

This is particularly the case for the iPhone sold through Optus, which Optus launched with a press release trumpeting expanded future network coverage — but failed to mention that iPhone 3G owners will never be able to access it.

To add to the confusion, Optus technical staff are not even sure where the new 900MHz network is being rolled out. APC made several calls to the Optus Wireless Broadband technical support team at various times and was assured by the technicians that the 900MHz UTMS signal is available in metropolitan areas. That would be a good thing given that the 2,100MHz signal is notoriously bad at penetrating buildings with some subscribers reporting on broadband community website Whirlpool that they have to resort to using their Optus Wireless Broadband on balconies to get a reasonable signal.

Unfortunately this does not appear to be case as another technician at Optus Wireless Broadband technical support advised that the 900MHz UTMS is only being used in regional areas. Optus coverage maps seem to show green 900MHz 3G coverage only outside of major centres and our own limited tests with a 900MHz 3G compatible device failed to find a signal around parts of metropolitan Melbourne.

Optus would not answer our specific question as to where the 900MHz coverage areas were simply referring us to a vague “As part of that [network] expansion Optus is using a combination of 2100 MHz and 900 MHz frequencies.”

So what about current Optus subscribers who want to take advantage of the expanded network? If you have one of the new USB wireless "memory-key" form factor modems, or the Nokia 6121, E66, E71 6210 and N3120 classic you will be able to use 3G in the expanded network coverage areas.

But if you don’t have a compatible device, Optus advises that “some customers may choose to upgrade as their contracts end while others choose to take advantage of the enhanced features and coverage by upgrading their contracts immediately” which to us sounds like too tough luck. Even if you are 'renting' your modem for a monthly fee, don’t expect a free upgrade unless you sign on to a new contract.

It may be some consolation to know that “if a customer moves to a limited coverage area, Optus will offer any available alternative arrangements” but for the majority of Optus customers who have recently purchased a 3G device, iPhone or are using Optus Wireless Broadband with an older Huawei “soap on a rope” or Inzone modem, the network expansion will have no benefit at all.


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agami (User):

It is nevertheless an expansion of 3G coverage. Again, not one to defend Optus or any big corporation but we live in huge country with most areas having an average of less than 1 (one) person per square kilometer, which is an infrastructure nightmare. Deploying 2100 UMTS WCDMA gear would be too costly whereas retrofitting existing 900 GSM gear is easier to pass in a board meeting.

People upgrade their phones all the time. Certain statistical tables may reveal that 70-80% of Optus users will update their phone and/or mobile data device and/or contract in the next 12 months. Additionally, the extended coverage (regardless of spectrum) should see an increase of subscribers by 5-10% which should offset the any attrition during the same period.

Also, Telstra's Next G operates across multiple bands.

11 September 2008, 9:37 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Joel Webb (New user):

Quoting agami:
Also, Telstra's Next G operates across multiple bands.


True telstra's network operates across multiple bands, but the same scenario occured with the "upgrade" for their customers.

Existing GSM users did not benefit from the upgrade because they needed a new handset and SIM that was capable, and for a period (there is now prepaid) you needed to sign up to a 2yr min contract before you had access to the expanded coverage.

11 September 2008, 10:10 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

bluehat (New user):

Quoting agami:
Also, Telstra's Next G operates across multiple bands.

Telstra NextG operates solely on 850MHz. If there is no NextG coverage in a particular location, a Telstra mobile will try to fall back to UMTS 2100MHz or GSM.

11 September 2008, 11:40 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne (Administrator):

Next G falls back to 2100 or GSM but neither of those are Next G. Next G is solely 850MHz.

11 September 2008, 12:57 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting bluehat:
Telstra NextG operates solely on 850MHz. If there is no NextG coverage in a particular location, a Telstra mobile will try to fall back to UMTS 2100MHz or GSM.

====Contradiction Police Alert====
Telstra consider the GSM and 2100 coverage as usable by NextG... Therefore the network operates on more than 850MHz.

11 September 2008, 1:17 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne (Administrator):

But that's like saying 2G is 3G because standard 3G phones can fall back to 2G even though a subscriber has a 3G SIM card and service.

It's still 2G. In the case of Next G, Next G subscribers can fall back to the 3/Telstra joint venture 2100MHz network or 2G, but they're doing just that -- falling back to other networks where there is no Next G coverage.

11 September 2008, 1:23 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

bluehat (New user):

Quoting Tin:
Telstra consider the GSM and 2100 coverage as usable by NextG... Therefore the network operates on more than 850MHz.


NextG is Telstra's brandname for their 850MHz UMTS (WCDMA) network. Telstra mobile is a service, which in the case that their NextG network has no coverage, has fallback options. NextG absolutely does not operate on GSM or 2100 bands. The Telstra mobile network (which is what subscribers pay for access to), however, does.

11 September 2008, 9:50 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Neiger (APC staff):

If you search the networks with a suitable multiband NextG device you will find several networks being Telstra (NextG), Three/Telstra (Telstra 2100Mhz) and Yes Optus (Optus/Voda 2100Mhz). As far as I am concerned this is a completely separate network rather than an expansion. The point being Telstra made it very clear that to get onto the NextG (separate branding) network you need a NextG device. Optus have not made it clear that to access their 3G network in the bush you will need a new device or that the iPhone will only work in metro and regional areas with 2100Mhz coverage.

11 September 2008, 3:20 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dod (New user):

So are you saying that the GSM networks at 900 and 1800 are also different networks? If I have an older phone that only works on 900 it wont work where Optus (or Telstra and Vodafone) only have 1800.

The proof it is a network expansion is that a dual band 900 / 2100 UMTS device will roam between these frequencies. From what I have seen Optus have been completely up front about what will and wont work on their network hence the differentiation on the coverage locator:

http://www2.optus.com.au/

11 September 2008, 3:27 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

freddy (New user):

You can use the Nokia N78 on the expanded network as well.

11 September 2008, 11:44 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dod (New user):

This article is misleading, Optus publish what frequency is used to service what area of coverage on the coverage locator on their website:

http://www2.optus.com.au/

To suggest that Optus is misleading the public is poor journalism and sensationalism, infact this whole article is a beat up.

PS: 900mhz is used in some outer metro areas.

11 September 2008, 1:39 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Trav (New user):

A storm in a tea-cup I say!

This scenario is no different to the original setups of the Telstra, Optus and Vodafone GSM networks in the mid-90s. Originally GSM networks were 900MHz only, and the 1800MHz frequency was added later enhancing the networks capacity and range. Early handsets were 900MHz only, and only users who had later dual-band handsets could experience the benefits of both frequencies. None of these carriers advertised specific information about what frequency was used where or were required to replace their customer’s handsets with dual band handsets. Why should they?

Furthermore, both Vodafone and Optus have not completed the roll-out of the 900MHz networks. In the last few months more and more handsets are becoming available that support 3G 900MHz and 1800MHz frequencies and it doesn’t take a genius to realize that this trend will continue in the future. The majority of mobile phone users in Australia will be using the 900Mhz/1800MHz networks as opposed to Telstra’s Next G 850MHz so market demand will mean that more handsets supporting these ranges will be available.

The average mobile phone lasts 18-24 months so it won’t be long until more users have a handset that supports the greater frequency range.





11 September 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David M White (New user):

so if 2G works on 900 mhZ where did optus suddenly get the spectrum from and how much are they using. Are they going to tell us next they are closing the 2G network or will this casue problems with 2G.

last year they made a big deal about wimax. who is steering over there

13 September 2008, 10:54 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting David M White:
so if 2G works on 900 mhZ where did optus suddenly get the spectrum from and how much are they using.

It's shared with existing GSM. It's more a hack on existing hardware from what I understand.

Quoting David M White:
Are they going to tell us next they are closing the 2G network or will this casue problems with 2G.

No. It will operate at the same time in the same place. It may cause a slight capacity issue for antique 900MHz only GSM phones, but not many people still use those (I personally still own some, but don't really use them).

Quoting David M White:
last year they made a big deal about wimax. who is steering over there

That was OPEL, not Optus. And I believe Optus still want to do that, but it's been pushed back since the government aren't chipping in.

13 September 2008, 11:04 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

todd_h86 (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Tin:
That was OPEL, not Optus. And I believe Optus still want to do that, but it's been pushed back since the government aren't chipping in.


OPEL - Optus and Elders
and interestingly enough their website is no longer up and running. I have a vauge recollection of it being canned and Telstra and the G9 group rubbing their hands together and laughing. I think the G9 group is having talks with the government in regards to costings and size of the network, but if Telstra has anything to do with it expect big delays and big costs.

16 September 2008, 2:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

todd_h86 (Cornerstone member):

Quote: Optus would not answer our specific question as to where the 900MHz coverage areas were simply referring us to a vague “As part of that [network] expansion Optus is using a combination of 2100 MHz and 900 MHz frequencies.”

To me this says that optus is using the 900 MHz to expand the 2g network and the 2100 MHz band to expand the 3g network, this way the Iphone and other devices will still be able to use the expanded network. Either that or Optus are playing word games with themselves

15 September 2008, 10:51 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne (Administrator):

Nope -- Optus is using 900MHz for their expanded 3G network. Which iPhone 3G -- at least in its current hardware iteration -- can't access.

15 September 2008, 5:08 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

todd_h86 (Cornerstone member):

QUOTE: "Optus would not answer our specific question as to where the 900MHz coverage areas were simply referring us to a vague “As part of that [network] expansion Optus is using a combination of 2100 MHz and 900 MHz frequencies."

OK so what do you make of that piece of information? Just general dribble or information?

16 September 2008, 2:37 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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