Optus threatens customers over VoIP calls

David Neiger29 December 2008, 10:03 PM

Optus customers got a nasty Christmas present from their telco: a warning that they would be billed international rates if they attempted to make VoIP calls on their mobiles.


Optus customers received an SMS informing them that calling certain Australian mobile numbers would now be charged at international rates.

“All calls that re-route or divert to international numbers are charged at 29c per min + 27c flagfall," the text message read.

This came as a surprise to customers on 'yes' Timeless or Optus Cap plans which are advertised as including “unlimited Standard voice calls to any network within Australia - local, national and GSM mobiles”.

To any reasonable person, this would have included VoIP and calling card services that use a mobile or PSTN number as a dial-in point before connecting the call to the overseas party.

However, Optus claims a clause in its lengthy "standard form of agreement" allows them to levy these new fees. The SFOA is not provided to customers when they sign up, but customers are forced to sign that they agree with it sight-unseen when they sign up with Optus.  It states in Clause 5.1(a) “We will charge you for calls made to international destinations […] at Optus’ international rates...”

Given major telcos like Optus have failed to pass on the vast cost savings in international calling in recent years due to VoIP, many customers have taken advantage of more competitive rates from calling card companies or VoIP providers such as freedomcalls.com.au, comfortcalls.com.au or smartcalling.com.au which offer international VoIP calls for free.

To use these services, people dial a local PSTN or mobile number from their phone, and then, once connected, dial in the number they want to call overseas, and the VoIP provider connects them. )

The point is, Optus' involvement in carrying the call ends once the call is terminated at the Australian PSTN or mobile number. Optus does not have to carry the call to the overseas destination and therefore incurs no international carriage cost in doing so.

It seems that Optus is becoming increasingly irritated that its customers can use these VoIP services (or any other calling card style carrier) to make considerably cheaper or (in some cases) free international calls rather than paying Optus’s more expensive rates. So Optus has attempted to put a stop to this practice.

Customers who signed up in good faith to a ‘yes’ Timeless or Optus Cap plans have suddenly found that a call to certain mobile numbers are not covered under their plan and they will be hit with higher rates if they can even get through at all.

Nizi Bhandari, the CEO of freedomcalls.com.au, was furious to find his company’s VoIP access number affected by Optus. Bhandari explains that his business relies on customers ringing a standard Australian mobile number 0424 215 152 which then allows them to be connected to up to 70 countries at no charge above the normal rate they paid Optus to call a mobile.

Many of Bhandari’s customers signed up with Optus for up to 2 years on an unlimited cap plan believing that they call any mobile number untimed. “When some of my customers on the Optus network try to call my company’s access number they simply get disconnected. The number is blocked.”

To demonstrate, Bhandari attempted to call his own service from a TPG mobile (which also uses the Optus network) and received the following announcement. “This service is currently unable from the Optus network including TPG and Virgin mobile networks. If you want to access this service please use Telstra, 3 or Vodafone networks.” (We understand from Hari Menta from comfortcalls.com.au that the VoIP providers, rather than Optus, have disabled access to these number from Optus subscribers so their clients are not hit with international rates.)

Bhandari observed that “up to 50% of our traffic was from Optus users and I have noticed that from Christmas Eve [when the SMS was sent] around 50% of my incoming traffic has also dropped. This has been very disappointing for my customers since they could not call their families overseas over the holiday period.”

An Optus spokesperson maintains that international calls have always been charged for as part of these plans and refused to comment on whether the calls to an mobile which is being diverted overseas cost Optus any more than carrying an ordinary call to an Australian mobile number.

The spokesperson merely directed APC to the Optus website, which states: “Optus is concerned that some customers may be being misinformed or misled by non-Optus related entities that are making claims that Optus customers can make free, or included cap value, international calls on their Optus Plan. This is not correct. International calls within the meaning of your Optus Mobile Standard Form of Agreement for all Timeless and Cap plans includes calls that re-route or divert to international numbers.

Under Optus' twisted definition, a mobile call isn’t a mobile call even if it terminates in Australia, but then diverts somewhere else and Optus misses out on profit it would like to earn.

Meanwhile, Optus customers may receive their latest bill only to discover that calls they thought were free are being charged at 29c per minute plus 27c flagfall.

In APC's tests, we were still able to successfully connect to these free VoIP services using a post-paid Telstra mobile and an Optus landline service and readers have reported that 3 and Vodafone are not charging their customers a premium to access these regular mobile numbers.

Optus accused of breaching network neutrality principles

Telecommunications expert Paul Budde says although not every customer may be affected by this particular change, it shows a worrying new twist in the net neutrality debate -- telcos watching what customers are doing on voice calls and changing billing terms on the fly to make it harder for people to save money.

"What we are seeing is that telcos such as Optus are trying to hang on for as long as possible for monopolistic charging structures. This is another element of the net neutrality issues that rages in the USA regarding access to certain websites," Budde says.

"[President Elect] Obama has promised to guarantee network neutrality (on the fixed networks). The argument for regulators to exclude mobile networks from such regulations is that there is sufficient competition and customers can move to another operator. We all know that this is not as easy as it sounds.

"In order to maintain monopolistic structures you make the billing system as complex as possible so that hardly anybody can understand how it works. It is all borderline stuff and very hard for regulators to get a grip on." Budde said.

Budde warns that Optus is adopting tactics used in Europe by some telcos, and that it may not be easy to prosecute them.

"European examples have shown that it is very hard to prove that these activities are illegal. Intuitively, we know that what they are doing is not correct -- people would 'feel' this is unjust; something against what they would see as 'common law'. In the end the European Union had to use new regulations to circumvent these interconnect (termination) problems after five years of haggling," he said.

"The only solution may be to use people power and show operators that you don't accept such practices in the hope of shaming the company into changing these practices."

False and misleading advertising?

Optus may fall on its own sword if enough consumers complain to authorities, however. Advertising standards require companies to make exclusions and limitations clear to consumers in their advertising of a service. Companies cannot rely on fine print in contracts (especially if that fine print is not supplied at the time a consumer signs the contract) if it materially affects the value of an offer.

For example, the Department of Fair Trading NSW says: "A material fact is a fact that would be important to a reasonable person in deciding whether or not to proceed with a particular transaction."

Advertising standards regulators put heavy weight on the 'reasonable person' test: "what would this advertisement lead an average, reasonable person to believe?"

If customers who signed up to Optus mobile capped and timeless plan contract based on Optus' advertising claims that they would have unlimited calls to any GSM mobile number in Australia, then discovered that they would be charged international rates to call a VoIP provider on a mobile number, could complain that they have been misled by Optus' advertising.

The fact that Optus felt it necessary to SMS customers on Christmas Day to warn them that calls to mobile numbers used by VoIP operators would be charged at international rates suggests Optus knows its mobile customers wouldn't expect this.

Customers who believe they have been misled by Optus' advertising of mobile plans can make a complaint to the Office of Fair Trading in their state, as well as to the ACCC, which prosecutes misleading advertising.

As well as complaining to a statutory body, customers could also file a complaint with the telecommunications industry ombudsman, which will attempt to resolve the complaint with Optus on your behalf. The complaint investigation fees are billed to Optus, and the longer Optus puts off resolving the issue to the TIO's satisfaction, the higher the fees go.

Before complaining to a statutory body or the TIO, you should first make a formal complaint to Optus, as statutory bodies and the ombudsman will not investigate a complaint unless Optus is first given the opportunity to resolve the matter directly with the customer.

With additional reporting by Dan Warne.


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The Big Baboo (User):

See it's like I've always thought :( These companies will try to s...w anyway they can for using their service. I've only had a mobile phone now for just over two years and I'm still going pre-paid as that allows me to keep an eye on my expenses. Still reckon they charge too much tho' for the service they give.

30 December 2008, 7:36 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Pauly (User):

I can see lots of people moving to Telstras new ultimate plan. $130 per month. $1500 of calls and sms included at a call rate of 18c per 30 seconds

16 January 2009, 11:42 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Akira Doe (New user):

Hmmm... Well this is interesting. These days the bulk of my Optus Cap usage us to a calling card (powered by AAPT) to call Singapore and Malaysia, although I received no sms indicating that anything had changed.

I've only been charged for local calls on all my previous bills to the local number (I live on the Gold Coast, so the 0755... number is local) but I'll keep my eye on it.

I've got to say I never expected anything like this from Optus.

30 December 2008, 8:25 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ausman (Cornerstone member):

The linked urls listed for 2 of the 3 companies above need to be fixed.

30 December 2008, 10:30 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jesus (New user):

Optus has not done the right thing by blocking the number, they should have adviced us before doing so...not done ! not Fair ! we are stuck up in a contract now....i am pissed off big time ..........!

30 December 2008, 11:09 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jesus (New user):

What optus has done is not right, I am stuck up in a contract now ! They should have adviced me before doin this crap...

Not Fair at All ! I am PISSED OFF

30 December 2008, 11:12 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

siers (New user):

Looks like these aren't the only companies affected. Normally with PennyTel, I can call a 'callback number' 0282073301, which immediately calls me back to connect my call through VOIP. Just tried it on my Optus mobile and it's been blocked too.

I never expected this from Optus. Telstra yes, but not from Optus. They aren't carrying the call, how can they charge for it? It'd be like the taxi company after dropping me off at the airport charging me for the full cost of the airline flight even though they aren't even going to fly me there.

30 December 2008, 11:50 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

siers (New user):

I've just heard the best analogy of this - it would be like catching a taxi to the train station so you can train it to the city. However, the cab charges you for the trip to the city even though it only took you to the station.

30 December 2008, 12:05 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

John B, Seven Hills (New user):

I was trying to understand the business models for services like freedomcalls.com.au, comfortcalls.com.au or smartcalling.com.au and the only thing I could come up with is that from memory when a call is made between two carriers both parties make some money out of the call i.e. if I call a Telstra mobile from my Vodafone mobile, Telstra bills vodafone for accessing it's network.

When looking at freedomcalls mobile number, it doesn't belong to one of the big three carriers (directly), therefore they are acting as a wholesale carrier and therefore making money form you calling them.

If this is the case then I agree with Optus that they are being ripped off by this carrier, however in the case of PennyTel's callback service Pennytel initiates the call to the customers number and therefore Optus would be making it cut from the call just as they would if someone calling an Australian Optus mobile from India.

This would then make Optus' actions toward Pennytel illegal, as they are baning a legitimate incoming call from another carrier.

03 January 2009, 10:57 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sylvia Else (New user):

The payment to the carrier receiving the call is a fee for connecting it. Usually the connection is to a subscriber, but why should the fee be conditional on that? Freedomcalls et al are indeed completing a connection (possibly using third parties, whom they no doubt have to pay). They are no more ripping off Optus than Telstra are when an Optus subscriber calls a Telstra subscriber. The fact that there's money to be made this way just tells us that mobile phone charges, and in particular international mobile phone charges, are considerably in excess of the cost of providing the service. Optus are just objecting to fact that competition eats into their revenue. Well, too bad. That's how business works in a free market.

04 January 2009, 12:02 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

John B, Seven Hills (New user):


Quoting Sylvia Else:
Optus are just objecting to fact that competition

The fact is there is no competition, all the major mobile phone carriers try to lock you into lengthy contracts to drive down competition and guarantee their own revenue and cash flows. This is how free the market is...



04 January 2009, 8:55 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

peterh-oz (New user):

Whilst this is not affecting many users currently, what is to stop it affecting them/you/us in the future?

Lets say I'm in an area with scarce 3G coverage, but I'm on Optus' network. Can I use my mobile (Optus) to call my VoIP number (calling card service)? What cost will I be charged? The standard cost for the call to a landline or their "you're overriding our service and breaching our T&C" cost?

What is to stop Optus blocking other calling card numbers as they have already done (allegedly) with some?

Say I used a Linksys 3102 which can allow me to call my home number and then dial out on VoIP. Would this be a breach?

In all these cases, Optus is supplying a service for me to dial from Australia to Australia. What the receiving number does with that is irrelevant.

Lets take this a step further - if a calling card supplier can't accept calls from Optus customers within their cap, what about Helpdesks & Customer Support which provides a local number and then routes the call overseas. Is this call a breach also? If not, then what is the difference?

This is a VERY slippery slope, and one which I believe needs to be outlawed immediately.

30 December 2008, 12:01 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dynaverse (New user):


I simply hate optus more now. Not that I've ever liked optus, they are a private owned company with a terrible customer support with no leeway or understanding. They are a money cannon on the Australian market that restrict consumer choice and I hope someone sews them for that too. Instead of providing more to the customers they take away, its probably more the governments fault for privatising our phone company, im glad John Howard is out of office! hope he gets cancer the prick! he’s increased all our troubles twice fold.

If anyone is reading this, boycott optus, I was with them for many years on their optus cable, and their home phone service! I can't put forward enough how bad they are! Id prefer telstra over them, even tho that’s a arrogant and big call! At least telstra are honest about ripping you off! not that id choose either company or recommend them ever in any circumstance including if a gun was pointed to my head.




30 December 2008, 12:13 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Akira Doe (New user):

I'm not happy about this, but I'd still choose Optus over Telstra, but Internode then Netspace over them.

You’re damned if you do, damned if you don't with Mobile Telecommunications in Australia at the moment, still!

Great coverage but poor rates, poor coverage but great rates, a bit of both, then they pull something like this... Can't win.

And people calling from overseas to an Australian mobile, haha those poor suckers...

I don't blame Optus for the way things are, or Telstra, the entire industry is to blame. Sure there might be reasons why the technology here is more expensive (Geography etc), but it should be getting better value for the consumer, not worse.

30 December 2008, 12:36 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jesus (New user):

Dynaverse, I totally agree with what you are saying, Optus is Ripping people off....Not Fair

30 December 2008, 2:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jesus (New user):

I totally agree with you Optus is ripping people off. No Good !

30 December 2008, 2:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AustguyMelb (New user):

I cannot believe Optus, Optus once brought competition to Telstra as Telstra was charging customers an arm and a leg to make a local calls or even a nathional calls. Optus then introduced there own Cable network and released a ULL network. Optus now is doing the same thing that Telstra has done. I have been mislead by Optus and i feel sorry for the little companies that offer competition but now have been closed off by Optus. This is not fair, this is unfair. It's the customers choice in what services they want to use not the providers choice. Why didn't they charge customers international rates from day one of when these free services where established? Why now?
Optus, now out of the blue are saying they can do it because it's in the contract. pffft yeh right! Optus is now leading to be a replica of Telstra and thats coming from an Optus Employee.

30 December 2008, 2:27 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sylvia Else (New user):

Seems pretty iffy to me. Their terms and conditions do not define the meaning of "international destination" and any normal interpretation would be that the destination for a call is the end point reached by the number dialled. That this is the correct interpretation is supported by the fact that it was the basis on which Optus were previously charging. Optus cannot unilaterally decide that it now means something else just because they feel like it. If they want to change it, they'll have to change the terms and conditions, but of course doing so would create a bail-out right for anyone on a fixed term contract, which is unlikely to be in Optus's interests.

In any case, even on Optus's now preferred interpretation, only part of the call time would be time during which the call was connected to an international destination. Part of the time would be taken up with the caller entering the international number, and waiting for the phone to be answered. Indeed, the phone might not be answered. The quid pro quo is that Optus shouldn't charge for the time before international call is answered (something that Optus won't actually know) and if the call is not answered (again, something that Optus won't know) the call shouldn't be charged for at all.

Anyone affected by this should start making a loud fuss. The only problem is that if it's the calling card services that are themselves blocking Optus (to protect their customers from Optus's charges) Optus can reasonably claim that it's not their fault that calls don't get through. In this regard, the calling card services are shooting themselves in the foot.



30 December 2008, 7:10 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Shripal (New user):

Paul..
I swear Optus Sux big time...I got this mobile only for VOIP and now they have ditched me, I have to spend extra bucks, I am going to lodge a formal complaint as advised in this article.

31 December 2008, 12:51 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

GSPOT (New user):

This is utter BS! If they are allowed to get away with this, then they could also ping you extra if the call you make to a local number has a diversion on it to an international location....eg: when i go away on business, my home phone is diverted to my UK mobile...

31 December 2008, 10:41 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jeanette Mansbridge (New user):

Optus is crazy treating their existing customers like this. Don't they realize that when their customers existing contract terms are up that they will not renew & look elsewhere for a better carrier. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face. These clients have family/friends/associates who they will tell what Optus has done to them. Very bad business practice that's for sure. I have dealt with Mr Nizi Bhandari from Freedom Calls & know that he will be very pro-active in finding a suitable product for his clients & those wishing to phone overseas cheaply. I look forward to his update on this.

31 December 2008, 4:36 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

siers (New user):

The more I think about this, the more that I think that Optus foresaw that their mobile network wouldn't be able to handle the extra call volumes for Christmas (considering all the issues they were having previously). Rather than face bad press over the whole network not be able to cope, maybe it was a decision to reduce the load on the network by targeting a smaller group of users who are using capacity on the mobile network but aren't using Optus for the entire call?

What's worth to them more, more national/australia wide news about the crappiness of the Optus network that couldn't cope during Christmas, or a relatively smaller group of users complaining about international calls over VOIP?

Or maybe as a quick fix for capacity issues on the mobile network, they went through the SFOA for loopholes? They could use this clause to get rid of users who have high utlisation of the mobile network but only spend 'relatively' little (by using VOIP instead of paying for traditional calls through Optus).

I'm sure they would have plenty of international capacity, but are low on capacity on the local mobile cells that would still be taken up by these users. This way, those users who actually use Optus for the entire call can continue calling and spending away.

I'm sure Optus was aware of the potential backlash from the affected users, and the fact that those users would likely go elsewhere. Then those users could 'tie up' the capacity in someone elses network without loosing alot of revenue in the process. Because of the capacity issues with the mobile network, it'd be more cost effective to lose those customer and keep the more 'profitable' customers who actually use Optus for the entire international call.

Don't get me wrong, I still think it sucks, but considering all information and issues from the last couple of months, and that most people do things for a justifiable reason, this is the only justification I can think of, especially just before Christmas and without much notice.

I'm also sure they would have realised this would negatively impact some customers, but it would be for the greater good of the network, (or their bottom line)?

31 December 2008, 5:54 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

curiousities (New user):

I'm an Optus customer and was just browsing through their plans as I think about upgrading/changing my plan and noticed the following in the small print:
"The Optus Cap Plans exclude some services such as [...] VOIP services and usage"
What they have done is shocking and I'm looking forward to it being challenged and overturned.

01 January 2009, 4:04 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

rippedman (New user):

optus sucksss it is juss there to make money thats it!!!!!!!!!! i m stuck in a plan ...they caharged me $400 last month ...i suggest people never ever go for OPTUS...or you will have to regret all the contracted period like me...i m ripped off by this crap optus...

23 May 2009, 2:27 PM (9 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

rippedman (New user):

optus sucksss it is juss there to make money thats it!!!!!!!!!! i m stuck in a plan ...they caharged me $400 last month ...i suggest people never ever go for OPTUS...or you will have to regret all the contracted period like me...i m ripped off by this crap optus...

23 May 2009, 2:32 PM (9 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

rippedman (New user):

OPTUS is bull crap

23 May 2009, 2:32 PM (9 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jc_Oz (New user):

The audacity of Optus leaves me almost speachless...
I would love to know how they bill the international leg of the call...I mean, when does the international billing start???
1) it takes time to dial the international number once connectected to local mobile number
2) it takes time for the 3rd party to establish the call
3) was the call successful or not
4) Did the caller then dial another international number after the first one?
Bottom line, how long (if at all) was the international leg of the call???
If Optus can answer this, then that opens a whole new can of worms!!!
If they can't then they cannot accurately bill an end user!!!
So what is the fear/problem???
If I had a need, I would throw the gauntlet down for Optus.
Would love to know of anyone who has been charged extra for such calls...

02 August 2009, 1:32 AM (7 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mkululi (New user):

I am using an Optus Contract line and my caller ID is hidden when I call overseas numbers. Also, I do not see numbers from overseas. I have tried in vain to to get an explaination from Optus and all the people I spoke to do not sound technical even though they are from Optus Technical Dept. Calling the same numbers from a Vodafone or Telstra SIM does not present the same problem. Can someone assist me with a technical explaination on this?

19 November 2009, 10:24 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

flowerheart (New user):

Hello Can anyone please update if you took this issue up with Optus and TIO ?
I would ike to know what has come out of this,
Thanks,
Hari

29 November 2009, 12:42 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sylvia Else (New user):

If I'd been in a position to, I would have, but I'm not. Is this affecting you in some concrete way. In particular, has Optus sent you a bill including international charges for VOIP calls?

29 November 2009, 12:50 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jackdaniels (New user):

Hari Optus is a bad bad bad comany ....we hate it TIO will close it down one day..

29 November 2009, 1:08 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jackdaniels (New user):

Hari Optus is a bad bad bad comany ....we hate it TIO will close it down one day..

29 November 2009, 1:20 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

flowerheart (New user):

Thanks for your reply,
No Optus hasn't sent me a bill for anything yet ;-)

Optus have blocked out all these numbers and I cannot connect to these numbers from my Optus Fusion Landline.

I was wondering if this block is legal and can they block this service since it is essentialla a mobile number. I will take this issue forward with Optus and with TIO but I was looking for any precedents if they may help me.
Optus really sucks ifor having put in this block !


29 November 2009, 1:03 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jackdaniels (New user):

Hari I am pissed off as well with what optus has done blocked all numbers if you are complaining i am with you will lodge one with ombudsband and tio and accc.

Keep up the good work Hari Krishna

29 November 2009, 1:08 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sylvia Else (New user):

You should note from previous replies that it was not Optus who were doing the blocking, but the VOIP providers, who no doubt wanted to avoid getting dragged into a billing dispute.

Of course, the situation may have changed, and it may be Optus who are blocking the numbers, but it would be worth checking.

29 November 2009, 1:11 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jackdaniels (New user):

Hari I am pissed off as well with what optus has done blocked all numbers if you are complaining i am with you will lodge one with ombudsband and tio and accc.

Keep up the good work Hari Krishna

29 November 2009, 1:20 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

flowerheart (New user):

This is just totaly Horrible ,

I mean just because they can't compete on international rates that these little companies offer blocking them is the only solution that Optus could come up with !

I will take this all the way with TIO,

Screw Optus.
And thanks for yoru point Elise, I will check with Aussie call that it is Optus who is blocking them not the other way around.

29 November 2009, 1:14 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jackdaniels (New user):

Yes it is blocked by optus now. First these companies were blcoking like comfortcalls is one of them - and few others aussie freedom calls but now it looks like optus is blocking for sure.

29 November 2009, 1:20 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jackdaniels (New user):

Optus is blocking this time for sure. Earlier thse telcom companies like comfortcalls aussiecalls nad freedomcalls were but now optus is doing it for sure....have confirmed it with few of them

29 November 2009, 1:21 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

flowerheart (New user):

Thanks for all your updates and Feedback guys
my email address is haribombay(at) gmail dot com

no spaces, do drop me a note if you are interested in this case , I have also started a post on this issue in the Australian Broad band forum whirlpool.net.au In their OPtusnet section , that is a very good forum and I assume most of you are on there already. Do drop me a note with your email addresses and lets try and get some justice here.

First step as I see it is to get a written / spoken confirmation from Optus that indeed they are blocking these numbers. The Tech support uy I called last night had no idea and he was asking me to contact the other company or to call back during working hours to speak to the other general call center.


29 November 2009, 8:37 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

flowerheart (New user):

Hello everyone,
I have lodged in a complaint with the TIO with the following Text, You can use the same or change it to exact reflect your problem and submit it to the TIO here:


http://www.tio.com.au/ComplaintForm/ComplaintFormS1.asp

PLease have a read through this article which describes the problem in detail.
http://apcmag.com/optus_threatens_customers_over_voip_calls.htm


Description of the problem:
Optus has blocked Voip calls from its landlines and mobiles , also affecting other carriers who run on Optus networks. I don't think Optus has a right to block cerain numbers where customers can make cheapers international calls as these services are just like calling card services.

Given major telcos like Optus have failed to pass on the vast cost savings in international calling in recent years due to VoIP, many customers have taken advantage of more competitive rates from calling card companies or VoIP providers such as freedomcalls.com.au, comfortcalls.com.au or smartcalling.com.au which offer international VoIP calls for free.

I have tried speaking to Optus about the same many times and never got a clear response. I want to know since the consumer calls to a local Australian Mobile number, what right does optus have to block this service which gives value to the customer.

This is especially more evident and painful as Vodafone and Telstra networks do not block such calls.
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Response form the company :

I have tried contacting the Optus Technical support and their responses ranged from
1) This has been done to force customers to use out calling card service.
2) Optus has not placed any block on such calls and I should contact the provider of the company which makes such calls.

This is totaly ludicrous as it is very clear to me that the block has come from Optus.
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Resolutin description:

Restore access to VOIP calling facilities(like freedomcalls.com.au, comfortcalls.com.au or smartcalling.com.au ) and their calling numbers for example (0435 39 16 61 , 0435 39 16 62 , 0435 39 19 92 0435 39 19 93)
Thanks to please get Optus to remove such barriers to competition and promote the free market economy

29 November 2009, 9:03 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

flowerheart (New user):

Hello Everyone,
Just fyi,
I have received a call today from Optus and I spoke to Mike from Optus who explained me that for commercial resons this service has been blocked from Optus,
I asked him to send this to me in Writing and I will take this further,

He is yet to send something in writing, I will update later on how I go with the TIO.

02 December 2009, 12:59 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

optususer (New user):

can you please tell us what optus said to you and also the same problem i am facing they said it is that particular carrier that does not have the right to receive calls from optus.i was calling this number from last 6 months.

28 February 2010, 6:29 PM (1 week ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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