Pirate Party Australia rejoices over iiNet verdict

Dan Warne04 February 2010, 11:20 AM

And there was much drinkin' and AFACT's scurvy bastards were made to walk the plank. (Serious statements also included.)


The Pirate Party Australia welcomed the decision of Justice Cowdroy in the Federal Court today, despite conceding that AFACT would probably appeal the decision.

"We take it as a victory for commonsense," the political party said in a statement.

This is a good decision by Justice Cowdroy, and reflects that there is no legal basis or obligation for any ISP to act in the interest of copyright holders, or to expect that they should disconnect any entity upon allegation of infringement without judicial oversight and due process.

Essentially an ISP should be considered similar to the postal service - they simply carry data in the form of packets, and that communication should be considered private." said Rodney Serkowski, Party Secretary.

He continued, "We still believe that reforms of the Copyright Act are necessary in order to make them more representative of the realities of the digital paradigm, and better reflect the way in which we relate to information, culture and knowledge."

While the Pirate Party Australia said this judgment may be a step in the right direction for the rights of Australians, it said there was still further work to be done in regards to preventing further "injustices" from occurring in regards to data security and cases involving file sharing.

Spectre of Three Strikes

Senator Conroy has previously indicated that the Australian government seeks to expand the war on sharing, and the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade is currently engaged in secretive negotiations of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA). ACTA has been shown in leaked documentation to contain requirements that could ultimately lead to 'graduated response' or 'three strikes' type regulation.

The Pirate Party Australia said it completely rejected these kinds of regulation as a reasonable response to internet file sharing. "The internet has been woven into the everyday lives of Australians. We are dependent on it socially, culturally and economically. It is simply unacceptable to disconnect an entire householdfrom such an important medium of communication, upon often baseless and incorrect allegations from industry-related associations, without due process.

"An example of the sloppiness of suchallegations includes take down notices sent to a network printer at the University of Washington for illicit file sharing," said Rodney Serkowski, Party Secretary.

It would place a regulatory burden on Internet Service Providers, meaning increased costs for consumers, and in many respects is simply not feasible without gross violations of privacy, the party said.

"Moves to 'Three Strikes' type regulations will likely mean that in an attempt to either keep their communications private or to avoid detection, many people will turn to encryption.

"Law enforcement agencies in Britain have stated that such regulation would subsequently increasecosts of prosecution and make investigation more difficult.

"The use of a 'graduated response' or 'three strikes' technique to lower piracy rates is flawed. Disconnecting an entire household for often unprovable claims without a fair trial is not what I'd consider to be representative of a democratic and just society." said David Crafti, President.

"A 'graduated response' mechanism is a threat to the privacy of every Australian. Pirate Party Australia is entirely against the implementation of such a scheme and welcomes the public to joinus against any development of such legislation."

The Pirate Party Australia is currently forming political party, and is seeking membership for the purposes of registration with the Australian Electoral Commission. It intends to contest the next Australian federal election if successful.

Pirate Party Australia says it has an interest in reforming legislation and policy surrounding culture,innovation and the protection of civil liberties, with sister organisations already registered, seeking registration or active in over 30 countries throughout the world.

The Swedish Piratpartiet already has two elected sitting Members of the European Parliament, after the 2009 European Elections, in which they attained 7.1% of the vote.

You can sign up as an official member of the Pirate Party here -- they only need 250 more people to join and then they will be eligible to be registered as an official political party.


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apt.pupil (Advanced member):

HA!
and when i reviewed their policies on copyright infringement- i had a general lol moment. From what i make of it, they want to make Local copyright laws more lenient. Breaching the copyright act IS theft, and should be punishable as theft.
The three- strike system the government is looking to put into place is also doomed to be an epic fail. I for one use(and host)Legal Torrents for documents and/ or video tutorials i make for my clan mates, and for some technical support. Knowing how good our government is at finding this sort of stuff, i have the utmost faith in them screwing up and giving me strikes for distributing my own original content via bittorrent

04 February 2010, 11:45 AM (1 month ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting apt.pupil:
Breaching the copyright act IS theft, and should be punishable as theft.


No. No it isn't. Theft requires something to be taken in a way that denies the proper owner access to it. Copyright violations do not do this, thus the different laws.

There is also the fact that much of copyright violation on the internet by individuals does not negate a sale. Many people will later buy the stuff they pirate, or would simply do without it.

04 February 2010, 1:46 PM (1 month ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

apt.pupil (Advanced member):

Quoting Tin:
Theft requires something to be taken in a way that denies the proper owner access to it

so profits do not count as something that can be taken away?
what happens if you steal a car form a car yard? the company loses profits from the stolen goods. Digital media is just as viable as a CD, since there is profits being lost in the process of either taking it, or giving it to a friend, which makes them not buy the album- because- why pay when a mate can give it to you for free?




05 February 2010, 12:24 AM (1 month ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

apt.pupil (Advanced member):

Quoting Tin:
Many people will later buy the stuff they pirate, or would simply do without it.

Please. humor me more.
i want to know exactly how many people you know will go out and buy movie tickets, if their mate can give them a DVD recording of said film for a little less than ticket prices? Or even the legit DVD for that matter?

How about if someone limewires a few songs- how many of them do you know will go out and buy that album?

People have a very lazy nature, and once they have the convenience of what they want, the majority of them will sit on their hands contently(in my own personal experiences)



05 February 2010, 10:27 AM (1 month ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting apt.pupil:
i want to know exactly how many people you know will go out and buy movie tickets, if their mate can give them a DVD recording of said film for a little less than ticket prices?


OK. Most of the people I know generally do not pirate movies. Especially while still at a cinema. We have a very good local cinema, and most people I know love going there... Especially with their prices being about half that of most city cinemas.


TV show "piracy" is common among people I know, but generally at least one person will buy it on DVDs once they are released (and after that, the DVDs are loaned around, legally).
Personally, I spent $160 on a TV series BECAUSE I was able to pirate it. If I hadn't been able to download it, I would never have risked the money on it, since I'd never seen it before (and it last aired on FTA TV in Australia in the early 90's).

Music - well, most people I know rarely download music. Those that do either buy it if they like it or would not buy it if they couldn't pirate it. I am fairly sure 99% of people who pirate music would have zero intention of otherwise paying for it... ie they would ignore it or listen to the radio if they couldn't download it.

05 February 2010, 6:10 PM (1 month ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

The Big Baboo (User):

Quoting apt.pupil:
Please. humor me more.
i want to know exactly how many people you know will go out and buy movie tickets, if their mate can give them a DVD recording of said film for a little less than ticket prices?
Me matey me :) I'd rather go to the movies anytime and see a film the way it was made rather than watching it on a 17/22" monitor or even on my Home Theatre system.Avatar (for example) looked absolutely stunning on a big screen with surround sound instead of the piddly little 80" screen that I have :)




06 February 2010, 8:33 AM (1 month ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

apt.pupil (Advanced member):

Quoting The Big Baboo:
Me matey me :) I'd rather go to the movies anytime and see a film the way it was made rather than watching it on a 17/22" monitor or even on my Home Theatre system.Avatar (for example) looked absolutely stunning on a big screen with surround sound instead of the piddly little 80" screen that I have :)



I then raise a glass to you. I also have the same opinon and morals, but every single other of my mates will be happy knowing they paid half as much to watch the exact same movie. the fact that said money does not eventually get a return to the people who contributed and made the movie is part of their care factor zero. If there were more people like you and me out there, then maybe we would not have such as an aggressive film, music, and television industry


06 February 2010, 10:20 AM (1 month ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

The Big Baboo (User):

Quoting apt.pupil:
If there were more people like you and me out there, then maybe we would not have such as an aggressive film, music, and television industry.
Thanks for agreeing with me "apt.pupil" I really think the TV industry tho is going downhill really quickly and that's probably why a lot of people download shows from there as even with the new digital (sigh) coming up,methinks the quality of the programs is slowly heading down.
Ah well,I'll always have my DVD's (bought and paid for) to watch :)




06 February 2010, 11:58 AM (1 month ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

The Guru (New user):

Shame on that judge, people shouldnt be downloading illegally thinking of the amount of money invested in making what you have just stolen from someone, shame on you australia

04 February 2010, 6:30 PM (1 month ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting The Guru:
Shame on that judge, people shouldnt be downloading illegally

shame on you for criticising a judicial decision you have no concept about. The accused was not an illegal downloader, it was a service provider and as evidence proved a service provider who had done nothing illegal.


Quoting The Guru:
shame on you australia

Now I don't have any clue what rock infested atoll you claim to represent, but clearly from there you have no knowledge of Australia, the Internet, The British Legal model, or anything really.

And Australia is spelt with a capital "A" show some manners next time you make a baseless and sweeping accusation.



05 February 2010, 1:31 AM (1 month ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

apt.pupil (Advanced member):

Quoting The Guru:
shame on you australia

shame on us for what? We are not the ones who are telling our government to do the stupid things we do. The population got sick of all the mistakes the previous government made(privatisation of Telstra is something i hear being "spat" around in my industry), and wanted change. we voted Kevin747 as a population because the backbone of our countrie's important industrues(labor) wanted to feel like they are being looked after all over again. I personally voted for Kevin747 for 2 reasons:
1) I wanted a PM who was guaranteed to do at least one full term
2) I couldn't pass up the opportunity to crack a few KRUDDy jokes about this brown land's leadership




05 February 2010, 10:32 AM (1 month ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting apt.pupil:
The population got sick of all the mistakes the previous government made(privatisation of Telstra is something i hear being "spat" around in my industry), and wanted change.

Pity the population didn't look closely enough to realise that the balls up of of a Telstra sale was begun prior to the previous government. Neither side can take any pride or moral high ground on the mess that has ensued. And the current buffoons efforts are nothing short of dangerous.


Quoting apt.pupil:
we voted Kevin747 as a population because the backbone of our countrie's important industrues(labor) wanted to feel like they are being looked after all over again.

And have you been looked after? Pretty dumb vote. eh?


Quoting apt.pupil:
I personally voted for Kevin747

I'll give you points for admitting it, Dec 07 you were flat out finding someone who didn't say they'd given Cardboard Kev the thumbs up. Thee years later your flat out finding someone game enough to admit they did. at least your honest.


Quoting apt.pupil:
1) I wanted a PM who was guaranteed to do at least one full term

Then labor wasn't a smart choice was it. Bracks, Beattie, hell in NSW I think the count is 4 premiers and it's scarcely 11:00 am. Stable government that.




05 February 2010, 11:03 AM (1 month ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

apt.pupil (Advanced member):

Quoting Raindog:
Pity the population didn't look closely enough to realise that the balls up of of a Telstra sale was begun prior to the previous government. Neither side can take any pride or moral high ground on the mess that has ensued. And the current buffoons efforts are nothing short of dangerous

The thing is: to most people- the privatisation of Telstra sounded like a good thing, and if i remember correctly, the current government made it out to be the only solution left.



Quoting Raindog:
And have you been looked after? Pretty dumb vote. eh?

I still stand by my vote, because at least Kevin is going to serve a full term minimum, even if half the term is over in North Korea, China, Indonesia, UK and America. The other thing is that i was raised in a labor family, but the only one who is not a full time tradie. I respect the Labor parties general priorities- not that i have seen them stick to helping the trade and health industries. Quite the opposite, what with that new scheme that prevents minors working more than 3 hours a day

quoting Raindog
Then labor wasn't a smart choice was it. Bracks, Beattie, hell in NSW I think the count is 4 premiers and it's scarcely 11:00 am. Stable government that.

well the last premier got voted out by a lack of confidence from the other ministers. Up here in QLD though, everything seems stable- for the time being. Also when has the NSW government NOT been bickering at each other?

Quoting Raindog
I'll give you points for admitting it, Dec 07 you were flat out finding someone who didn't say they'd given Cardboard Kev the thumbs up. Thee years later your flat out finding someone game enough to admit they did. at least your honest.

Even though i am a salesperson, i put my policy of complete honesty at all times first. Have no shame, live with no regrets. This is the way i was raised, and will raise future generations. As for our current KRUDDy government government- sometimes we get so desperate for a change, that anything else seems the lesser of two evils...


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