R18+ games rating is finally on the table

David Braue15 December 2009, 11:51 PM

The government giveth, and the government taketh away. Today saw the foisting of internet censorship on the Australian public, but also opening of discussions on R18+ games.


It could disadvantage some segments of the community and lead to an explosion of smut-filled video games, but the introduction of an R18+ classification is finally on the table after gamers got an early Christmas present from the government this week.

After years of fruitless discussion and lobbying for a censorship rating that would amend the National Classification Scheme (NCS) to offer an R18+ classification for adult-oriented computer games, the government this week kicked off a formal review process with the release of a formal discussion paper to canvass public opinion on the subject.

ABOVE: F.E.A.R. 2 - one of the graphically violent games that simply couldn't be released in Australia because it couldn't fit into an M15+ rating, and there were no ratings higher than that other than refused classification.

The lack of an R18+ classification has been a point of contention for some time, since Australia is the world's only jurisdiction that applies ratings to computer games but does not offer an R rating for games. Under the current National Classification Scheme (NCS), bans are enforced on any game with content judged to be more objectionable than that which is permissible under the MA15+ rating.

Relatively arbitrary application of this requirement has seen the banning of several high-profile games in recent months, with games like Left 4 Dead 2, Grand Theft Auto IV, Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude, Postal 2, Manhunt, and others among the victims of Australia's ratings system. Many games are edited to reduce the level of sadistic violence or other objectionable material, often resulting in watered-down local equivalents to games that are released under an adults-only rating overseas.

The current enquiry invites public submissions on the issue through 28 February – and is quick to point out that there will be no video game equivalent to the X18+ rating for sexually explicit movies, and that the Guidelines for the Classification of Films and Computer Games criteria will not be modified as a result of this discussion.

With around ten weeks for submissions to be lodged, the timeline could well have the new rating in place – if it is overwhelmingly supported – in time for next year's Christmas buying season.

Amendments to the NCS require unanimous support by a number of statutory authorities, several of whom have been reluctant to stand behind the rating. However, the very release of the discussion paper shows that could be changing: "The Ministers responsible for censorship have considered the issue of an adult classification for computer games on a number of occasions," the paper explains. "Before the Ministers consider the matter further, it is timely to consider the views of the community."

The wording of the discussion paper (read it here) has been carefully tweaked to provide a balanced opinion on the subject, expressing both pro and anti-R18+ arguments. Among the highlights of those arguments:

  • Today's video games are more sophisticated and film-like than they were when the NCS was introduced in 1996.
  • Protecting minors from harmful material is more important than the principle "that adults should be free to read, hear and see what they want."
  • Research into the effect of violent computer games is "polarised".
  • Introducing an R18+ category could increase the volume of material that is unsuitable for minors, increasing their exposure to such materials.
  • A putative lack of understanding of NCS ratings by many adults has already led to cases where children are being exposed to inappropriate materials.
  • Since very few games have enough violent content to warrant an R18+ rating, "the introduction of an R18+ category is only an argument of principle."
  • Providing an adults-only rating would provide consistent guidelines for local games developers developing games for overseas markets.
  • An R18+ classification would decrease piracy as local gamers could buy uncensored versions of games rather than downloading or importing them.
  • Adding an R18+ classification would clarify the importance of the even more severe RC (refused classification) rating, since many games that are currently rated RC would fit the requirements.

What do you think? Is an R18+ category overdue? Or will it glorify violence and other inappropriate content to minors?


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Keaton (New user):

Yes, R18+ finally means that the average aged gamer (35 in Australia) can finally play games that we are missing out on. Some of my favorite Stanley Kubrick movies are R18+. And i can hardly imagine a world without that movie rating.

16 December 2009, 12:51 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mattorade (User):

This is a small issue, Australia needs a bill of rights so things like this should never have to have been a problem. Adults SHOULD have the right to see and read what they want as far as an R rating goes (bar inappropriate things like child porn, etc). And with a bill of rights we could also stop conroy from censoring our internet.

16 December 2009, 1:43 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Michieux (New user):

I've been a life-long opponent of censorship. The very idea that there are people who arrogate to themselves the authority to control what I may or may not see is anathema to me. Perhaps the most salient point I can make about it is this: censorship doesn't work. It doesn't work for video games and it doesn't work for drugs or anything else the condescending nannies who enjoy instilling their values on the rest of us seek to prohibit. All they and their ilk accomplish is propping up a massive bureaucracy that costs tax-payers billions and achieves very little. It makes no sense at all.


16 December 2009, 3:00 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Franki (New user):

yes.... we need this.. I will protect my own daughters from unsuitable content, that is my job not the government.


16 December 2009, 3:12 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Franki:
I will protect my own daughters from unsuitable content, that is my job not the government.

Question is, will you protect your daughters from ineffectual and self serving government?

I'll just add a postrcript to this comment and state in no way was it a suggestion, reference or insinuation on Franki or anyone else parenting skills.
My suggestion that current levels of devicive government, represents the greatest risk to childrens futures, still stands!

16 December 2009, 9:21 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

lottie2 (New user):


Quoting Raindog:
Question is, will you protect your daughters from ineffectual and self serving government?

Case and point! Well Done!




17 December 2009, 12:01 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Aubrey (Cornerstone member):

This looks suspiciously like a small sop to try to compensate for the cleanfeed announcement.

It doesn't.

I also wonder if they worked out that discussion of Refused Classification games might end up being BANNED under Conroy's filter?


16 December 2009, 7:19 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Aubrey:
I also wonder if they worked out that discussion of Refused Classification games might end up being BANNED under Conroy's filter?

Discussion of classification, adverse political comment, public opinion, all can be removed from view without reference at the whim of a Smarmy fraud from Queensland and a (cough) independant body.

Those looking for a quick buck business opportunity, would do well to consider the printing and sale of "I'm a gamer. and I vote" bumper stickers.


16 December 2009, 8:53 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

K (Cornerstone member):

Does discussion actually change the situation with the Attorneys-General? Seems to me that the SA A-G has already made up his mind, and that discussion papers are unlikely to sway his vote.

16 December 2009, 7:52 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

The Big Baboo (User):

Ok yea this is good :( I can view the comments but where's the story?

16 December 2009, 7:56 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

Left 4 Dead 2 and GTA4 are banned? Ooops... I've had an Australian sold copy go GTA4 since the day it came out (PC), and downloaded the demo of L4D2 about 2 weeks ago and had a play.
Do I need to go directly to jail?

16 December 2009, 8:00 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SLi (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Tin:
Quoting Tin:
I've had an Australian sold copy go GTA4 since the day it came out (PC), and downloaded the demo of L4D2 about 2 weeks ago and had a play.

Pretty sure L4D was released in two versions, the Australian and the American versions which have very different levels of gore and graphics. As far as i know we're only supposed to be able to get hold of australian copies.


16 December 2009, 8:20 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

If the demo is also given to Aussies as a mangled version, I'd hate to see the "real" version... It's pretty damn graphic.
Strangely, if I felt any kind of concern about it, I'd simply uninstall it. Funny how that works, eh Conroy?

16 December 2009, 9:26 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ignited gamer (New user):

Just because it is not released inside the country dose not mean it can not be purchased. You can go to any on-line ordering site and buy the game and have it mailed to your house. Taking away from Australian retailers who should have that profit this is a broken system that dose not protect children at all, a r+18 classification puts the parents on the podium of protection and allows them to make a choice, be it bad or good. The choice is there and parent have to take responsibility for there actions, there is a lack of that in this age.

16 December 2009, 9:52 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

apt.pupil (Advanced member):

Quoting ignited gamer:
Just because it is not released inside the country dose not mean it can not be purchased.



any form of media that is refused classification therefore becomes illegal to sell, buy, import, export in/out of the country.

in the cases of people who have bought games like manhunt, which had its classification revoked- are still legally allowed to own the game, but are not legally allowed to share it with friends, play it with friends, ect. a strange little loophole



Quoting ignited gamer:
Taking away from Australian retailers who should have that profit this is a broken system that dose not protect children at all, a r+18 classification puts the parents on the podium of protection and allows them to make a choice, be it bad or good.


you are partially correct there. It SHOULD be the paren'ts choice to allow their children to play/watch/experience certain media- but ultimately, each state in our Nation has seperate laws on what kind of classified content is able to be sold/owned in Australia. For Example in WA, you can but X1(restricted) but not X2(restriced) content, but in sunny QLD you can not legally buy/sell/own any X(restricted) content at all


Quoting ignited gamer:
The choice is there and parent have to take responsibility for there actions, there is a lack of that in this age.

not when the classification system is unfair and very vague.



18 December 2009, 6:18 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Zaraak (New user):

"It could disadvantage some segments of the community and lead to an explosion of smut-filled video games,"

Why? how? how is it different to the film industry in any relavant regard? Silly me for thinking journalism is based on facts rather than ignorant opinion.

There is always going to be adult content in any entertainment industry but it is not the governments duty to 'protect' our young and decide for our adults. That IS the parents and the R18 classification's job. It is as simple as that.

16 December 2009, 10:18 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Wiseolden (New user):

Garbage in garbage out!
Anything that in some small way limits this sort of garbage in the streets is OK by me.
I don't think its fit for 50 year olds!

16 December 2009, 10:41 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ignited gamer (New user):

thank you for your view point, this is a pointless attitude as you want to live in a world where you are told what to do how to walk how to breed, don't run don't walk,

A government should not be in our homes and should not the right to tell you how to live, it should go about helping you to live the way you want.

So i once again thank you for your view point as we needed someone who did not agree with free will and to post mindless drivel.

16 December 2009, 11:59 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Wiseolden (New user):

Being too full of drivel and stayed thinking to have a thought out point of view of my own, I'll leave it up to another to do me thinking...
http://merbc.invigorated.org/archives/2006/10/21/creed-by-steve-turner/
Check it out - have a think while you do it

16 December 2009, 12:48 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ignited gamer (New user):

Just because it is not released inside the country dose not mean it can not be purchased. You can go to any on-line ordering site and buy the game and have it mailed to your house. Taking away from Australian retailers who should have that profit this is a broken system that dose not protect children at all, a r+18 classification puts the parents on the podium of protection and allows them to make a choice, be it bad or good. The choice is there and parent have to take responsibility for there actions, there is a lack of that in this age.

16 December 2009, 11:59 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

todd_h86 (Cornerstone member):

Quoting ignited gamer:
Just because it is not released inside the country dose not mean it can not be purchased. You can go to any on-line ordering site and buy the game and have it mailed to your house.

I do hate to disagree but if a game is refused classification it means that game is ILLEGAL to have in Australia, it doesnt matter how you obtain it (import, download etc) it is still a banned item, much like having weed or any other prohibited item which is retarded!!

An R18 classification is long overdue, bring it on and also who cares about the cleanfeed, that things gunna fail big time anyway! I kinda hope it gets implemented and then really dies in the arse so everyone will know how much of a dick (can I say dick? Im saying dick) conroy is (those who dont already know it) and kicks his arse out of government.


16 December 2009, 1:22 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ignited gamer (New user):

thank you, i understand that and i really wish it was not so, but as you have stated it is ILLEGAL to own said games where there could of been onshore profit, if we had a R18+ rating this would not be a wish but solid $$$ onshore

16 December 2009, 1:37 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Wiseolden (New user):

So ignited gamer, it is $$$ that drive your morality. Anyone for shooting the aged and infirm?? You scare me!
boundries, boundries, wake up people, we need them!

16 December 2009, 2:38 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply
16 December 2009, 11:59 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ignited gamer (New user):


A government should not be in our homes and should not the right to tell you how to live, it should go about helping you to live the way you want.



16 December 2009, 11:59 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Wiseolden (New user):

What will you have when you compleatly free yourself from every bound?
I'm too old and full of drivel to think this through for myself - I'll leave that to another
Check this out http://merbc.invigorated.org/archives/2006/10/21/creed-by-steve-turner/ Be careful what you wish for...

16 December 2009, 12:48 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ignited gamer (New user):

You respond with a poem. Not fact! Not intellect!, your response is a feeling about the world through another mans expression, poor attempt. It is good poem but nothing more, not profound, not moving it state the bloody obvious, to any one who thinks for them selves.

go join the sheep.

16 December 2009, 1:24 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Wiseolden (New user):

Sorry to touch such a sore nerve - perhapes its time for a nice cupa tea and a lye down... Theres a good chap. pat pat pat.
... So which of the stanzas was the most bloody obvious??

16 December 2009, 1:51 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sp33d d3mon (Cornerstone member):

Well, GTA IV was different - Rockstar edited the game (consoles) BEFORE submitting to the CB so they could avoid an RC, but as it turned out, the original would still fit in under MA 15+ as the PC version was uncensored (later, R* released a patch on 360 unlocking the 'uncensored' bits). But I'm 15 myself, and if there was an R18+ rating, I probably wouldn't be able to play GTA, Left 4 Dead or Modern Warfare, provided future instalments don't pass MA 15+, for 3 more years!

Yes, Left 4 Dead 2 is butchered, but PC players can patch it to unleash full gore if they purchased it here. 360 players could try and mod it with Modio (www.game-tuts.com), but I'll say no more here.

17 December 2009, 1:38 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Odin (New user):

so what will happen when L4D2 is released is I will most probably download it, maybe i will buy it at an online game site and an american will get my money but in the end I will proabably a pirated and cracked version and everybodys hard work will have been for nada
MWwawawawawawawawawawawawawawawwawawawawawaw!
I have no problem buying a retail version if available but as soon as this sort of thing happens it increases my curiosity and makes me wanna downlad it :)
Australia not having an R18 classification is totally backwards and is proably the reason Australia has little or no gamming industry.

17 December 2009, 1:53 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

todd_h86 (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Odin:

so what will happen when L4D2 is released is I will most probably download it



......L4D2 has been released for a month......


18 December 2009, 10:23 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AnthonyBrisbane (User):

Of course there should be an R18+ rating. I don't get the "protect the children" argument. If you're incapable of supervising your children then call family services, and have them taken off your hands.

17 December 2009, 6:17 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

apt.pupil (Advanced member):

yes, yes , YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i have been lobbying for this discussion paper for close to 5 years. since i was 16, believe it or not.

I always found it to be odd that games with content such as what is seen in GTA, L4D2,MW2,F.E.A.R(and its sequel) and many, many more to be questionably classified under an MA15+ rating, which lets under 18s play the game(but not buy it)- and other, lesser anticipated games- such as Marc Ecko's getting up, the 2005 N.A.R.C remake, and a few others to be refused classification.

it is time for my 13 year old brother to lose the ability to pick up a hooker, have her work done for her, and then kill her to get his money back afterwards. leave the in- game drunk fighting and driving to the intended audience: adults.

best way to do this: slap a black label saying 18+. that way it is illegal for a minor to play/buy the game, and parents are better informed of the degree of content inside the game

18 December 2009, 6:08 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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