Ripped-off consumers furious at PayPal

Angus Kidman19 August 2008, 2:10 PM

eBay's decision to only extend refunds to customers of a failed eBay seller as a "courtesy" demonstrates that the 'PayPal guarantee' is far from rock solid.


The collapse of "eBusiness Supplies" — one of eBay's largest Australian sellers — in late July has proved a fresh PR nuisance for eBay in a year that's already seen the auction giant's reputation take a major battering. eBusiness Supplies' move into receivership left up to 4000 customers in the lurch.

Customers who had paid for the purchases using the eBay-owned PayPal service believed that they would be entitled to a refund under PayPal's Buyer Protection scheme, which proclaims that: "PayPal will pay you the maximum amount of coverage for which your transaction qualifies" in the event of an undelivered purchase.

In late July, PayPal said that it would set up a fund to ensure buyers who had unsuccessfully ordered goods from eBusiness Solutions would receive refunds.

"The PayPal fund will be available to buyers who have made recent purchases from this seller on eBay," a posting on eBay's noticeboard said.

However, disgruntled customers are now discovering that eBay doesn't think that such refunds are obligatory, even if goods haven't been delivered. "PayPal will be refunding buyers who made a purchase from this seller within the last few weeks as discretionary payment, which is a credit initiated as a courtesy and not compelled by legal right," one seller was told after enquiring about the status of their refund.

APC contacted a PayPal spokesperson to ask if this remark represented standard policy, but was told that the case would have to be investigated individually. At the time of publication, no further comments were forthcoming from PayPal, and no details of what would qualify customers for refunds had been provided.

The fact that transactions made via PayPal were said to be the safest available option, even in the event of fraudulent seller activity, was one of the central selling points in eBay's failed attempt to make PayPal the sole means of payment for eBay transactions. The collapse of that scheme is widely viewed as having damaged eBay's reputation locally, especially with sellers, though it remains the dominant player in the online auctions market.


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tfacter (User):

someone needs to shut them down you cant force us to use paypal.. i haven't used ebay since this paypal crap was being forced on us.. Until they stop there rubbish i wont be returning

19 August 2008, 2:51 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

Wow... eBay must be hiring ex-Telstra Spin Artists.

"Up to $20,000 free protection on eligible purchases made with PayPal."
I guess we all know what "up to" means from a modern corporation...

19 August 2008, 3:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (Cornerstone member):

Unfortunately, if you want a global 'shop front', eBay is the only credible option. It's a classic case of better the devil you know :(

20 August 2008, 10:39 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Brad Peterson (New user):

eBay doesn't appear to realise that it is liable. There is legal precedent to back this up: http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/vic/VCAT/2001/49.html

20 August 2008, 11:48 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ani78 (New user):

I have been ripped off by an ebay member for the second time...The first time was by a buyer, and Ebay told me I waited too long and didn't do anything about it, I received an item strike and they canceled my paypal account, I let that account close and now this new one, a seller, I get ripped off and received an item strike for nonpayment, then when I threatened Ebay about opening a case to investigate if the buyer did indeed receive the money order and cashed it then ebay removed the item strike but did nothing against getting my refund back or my item sent to me...

03 April 2009, 10:28 AM (11 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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