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James Bannan29 October 2008, 9:00 AM

We've got one of the first copies of Windows 7 in the world -- and the screenshots and juicy tech details to prove it.

Page 1 - Intro

We all know that Windows 7 is looming on the horizon, but until now Microsoft have kept tight-lipped about specifics. We can now bring you all the juicy details.

On Sunday 26th October, APC attended a Windows 7 Reviewer’s Workshop in Los Angeles. This was the first event at which Microsoft has publically talked about and demonstrated the successor to Windows Vista — Windows 7.

So far Microsoft has kept an iron-cast seal on any and all communication about Windows 7. Apart from the official releases which have come to us via the Windows 7 Engineering Blog, all the information which has surfaced about Windows 7 has remained pure speculation — unconfirmed by Microsoft. But — now it’s out there and now we can talk about it.

First impressions of Windows 7 is that it takes the software architecture and underlying structure of Windows Vista and improves upon it in several key areas. Steven Sinofsky, Senior Vice President of the Windows and Windows Live Engineering group, admitted that the ecosystem into which Windows Vista was launched was not as ready for the product as Microsoft had hoped, so Windows 7 has been purposefully designed to minimise the compatibility problems which plagued Vista’s early days.

This is the main reason why the version number of Windows 7 is actually 6.1 rather than 7.0. 3rd-party application installers and all other executables which had hard-coded OS version checks couldn’t handle a major change to the OS build number, and Microsoft is obviously very reluctant to travel down that path again. In fact, according to Gabriel Aul, the design tenets which guided Windows 7 development are:

  • Any application or device on Vista should run on Windows 7
  • A system which runs Vista should run faster with Windows 7
  • Notebooks should get better battery life on Windows 7
  • Windows 7 should be more stable than Windows Vista from day one
  • Windows 7 should be the most secure version of Windows yet

Of course, the word “should” in this context means “this is what we’re aiming for”, rather than “we think it will behave like this but we don’t really know”.

The important thing to realise is that Windows 7 isn’t Windows Vista “as it should have been” (or other nasty ways of describing Vista), but rather the next step in the evolution of Windows, building on what has been introduced in Vista and taking it to the next level. Here’s a list of some of the major changes, enhancements and improvements you can expect to see:

Less annoying UAC Control — You can now dial down the prompt mechanism in UAC without disabling it, resulting in a far better experience for admins and power users without compromising system security

Home Group Networking — the Windows 7 home group concept is a network of home computers which can seamlessly find and connect to each other, sharing resources and media. Corporate machines which are also members of a home group do not have sensitive company data exposed to other machines

Advanced Content Previewing and Windows Interaction — the preview function of windows minimised to the task bar has been improved. The preview windows itself is much larger, and you can now shut down windows from within the preview function.

Jump Lists — right-clicking on any application minimised to the task bar or pinned to the Start Menu generates a jump list of recently-opened documents and other application-specific tasks like opening new documents. Jump lists are also available for the Bluetooth and Wireless Network icons in the system tray, to make wireless connections easier

Desktop Peek — a small new hover section has been added to the task bar just by the system tray. Hovering over this makes all windows transparent so that you can see the desktop behind, which is very useful for checking desktop gadgets without having to minimise all windows.

Touch Input — it’s been known for a while that Windows 7 will incorporate touch technology, and this was finally demonstrated at the workshop. The technology currently supports dual-finger touch (which needs the supporting hardware) and the UI has been tweaked to recognise when touch input is being used. For example, the jump lists are 25% bigger when they are opened with touch rather than the mouse, to facilitate easier touch usage. Navigational gestures have also been introduced and work across all Windows applications, even those like Office which don’t natively recognise touch input

Libraries — Windows 7 can now collate documents and media across disparate physical storage locations into one contiguous library, which you can easily navigate and search from within Windows Explorer. The concept is very similar to watching folders in Media Player, except that now that functionality has been fully extended. You can also create Home Group-specific libraries which are searchable by any connected computer

Window Placement — you can now automatically snap windows side-by-side for easier viewing and maximise any window simply by dragging it to the top of the screen

Desktop Gadgets — gadgets can now be hosted directly on the desktop without having to use Windows Sidebar

System Tray Enhancements — Instead of having to manually specify which icons appear in the system tray, there is now an overflow section for all icons, and you can simply pick and choose which ones you want to see. You can also turn off notifications from individual icons, to reduce the overall “noise” from this part of the UI.

Action Center — instead of the user being constantly prompted to take action when there is a security or maintenance alert (often prompting users to disable alerts), these messages are now placed in the Action Center, which is like a message queue for system prompts which the user can deal with in their own time.

Media Playback Enhancements — Windows 7 now integrates with networked media players, so you can “send” media files to a remote device rather than playing it back through the PC. Windows 7 also now supports iTunes media files, you can incorporate an iTunes library into a Windows 7 media library. Media Player also now supports AC3, H.264, DivX and Xvid natively, along with some proprietary HD camcorders. It does not support FairPlay DRM-encoded content, however

Device Stage — this is allows a vendor to embed services into its driver manifest, so that users can access all features of their device when it’s connected. For example, for a multifunction printer you can now, from one window, access all print, scan and fax functions, change default Windows programs and purchase supplies. The information contained within the page is rendered via XML, so it can automatically update and present the user with the latest product information, without the user having to update the driver. Device Stage now supports mobile phones natively.

Enhancements for IT Pros — Windows 7 leverages strongly off integrated PowerShell scripts and reporting to facilitate better troubleshooting and reduced support costs. It also has a more streamlined deployment methodology.

Windows Live Integration — Windows 7 leverages strongly off Windows Live technology to provide a more seamless and integrated user experience with the cloud. The latest wave of Live applications are currently in public beta, and you can check them out here.

We’ll look at all these features in more detail shortly, but as a summary list of changes it’s quite impressive. My overall impressions of Windows 7 is that a huge amount of work has gone into overhauling the UI, which now seems a lot more intuitive, bringing context-sensitive information to users quickly and giving them are a far more visually tactile experience.

We’ll bring you all the news on Windows 7 as it breaks, and also give you run downs on all aspects of the new technologies which mark Windows 7 as the next major OS from Microsoft.

But of course, the moment you've all been waiting for... the first batch of screenshots...

Continue to page 2: Windows 7 official screenshots
Page 1 Intro
Page 2 Windows 7 official screenshots
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Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

If (and only if)the reality matches the promises then this is promising stuff, and pointing to what Vista should have been.

MS however still appears to be in some kind of shell shock, wit their

* Any application or device on Vista should run on Windows 7
* A system which runs Vista should run faster with Windows 7
* Notebooks should get better battery life on Windows 7
* Windows 7 should be more stable than Windows Vista from day one
* Windows 7 should be the most secure version of Windows yet

With XP still the predominant operating system in use it looks like migration to Win7 will still have all the pitfalls and costs that Vista presented. So while more appealing what is presented here does little to help overcome a lot of oposition and aprehension.

In summary any efforts made to allow the user to have more control over their PC environment will be well received. Lots of pretty screenshots do not confirm this regaining of control, so only time and that actual personal appraisal will tell.



29 October 2008, 8:41 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Raindog:
With XP still the predominant operating system in use it looks like migration to Win7 will still have all the pitfalls and costs that Vista presented.

XP users are going to have to take a leap of faith sooner or later. Waiting for a MS OS to be backwards compatible with XP is a white elephant. So while the diehard XP crowd can whine all they like about Vista, the longer they leave it, the more it will cost them when Windows 14 rocks up !




29 October 2008, 9:45 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
XP users are going to have to take a leap of faith sooner or later.

Without doubt, the question being will that jump be to another MS OS?


Quoting Me In Oz:
Waiting for a MS OS to be backwards compatible with XP is a white elephant.

Why? It's the same underlying code with a messload of bloat added to later versions. A less disruptive upgrade path for the majority of Windows users would have been a lot more logical approach.

Quoting Me In Oz:
So while the diehard XP crowd can whine all they like about Vista

Or they can look at alternatives to windows as realistic options if successive versions from MS do not deliver.


Quoting Me In Oz:
the longer they leave it, the more it will cost them when Windows 14 rocks up

The longer MS fail to deliver products that match market desires the less relevant successive versions of their OS will become.


29 October 2008, 10:15 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Raindog:
Or they can look at alternatives to windows as realistic options

I don't consider this a realistic option, as you have suggested, for a cost effective and less disruptive transition.

Quoting Raindog:
The longer MS fail to deliver products that match market desires

Most would argue that the 'market' doesn't know what it desires from technology and is dictated by the megacorporations. Eg. Take a look at the evolution of mobile phones. They a barely recognisable as mobile phones anymore. And I'll bet not one 'consumer' desired a camera or accelorometer to be intergrated into his mobile phone !




29 October 2008, 10:26 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
I don't consider this a realistic option

But yours isn't one of the hearts and minds MS needs to claw back.

Quoting Me In Oz:
for a cost effective and less disruptive transition.

Alternative can deliver the cost effective! and for the time being neither windows or the alternatives offer an upgrade without disruption. But when you look a little further forward breaking the disruptive upgrade cycle that MS has forced onto its consumers is becoming more and more attractive.



Quoting Me In Oz:
Most would argue that the 'market' doesn't know what it desires from technology

Only fools ignore their market's desires.


Quoting Me In Oz:
Take a look at the evolution of mobile phones.

Why we are talking about PC and desktop operating systems, we could take a look at duck hunting too which would also be irrelevant.



29 October 2008, 10:51 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Potoroo (User):

Quoting Raindog:
Quoting Me In Oz:
Waiting for a MS OS to be backwards compatible with XP is a white elephant.

Why? It's the same underlying code with a messload of bloat added to later versions. A less disruptive upgrade path for the majority of Windows users would have been a lot more logical approach.


If you are suggesting Vista's core code is essentially XP+ then you are mistaken. Nearly all Vista's core code was written from scratch and the driver architectures for every major subsystem (video, audio, display, etc) are completely different to XP. Architecturally, Vista got a lot of things right even though the learning curve put driver writers under the pump. Now that MS and the OEMs have had a couple of years to learn how to make it work I see no reason in principle why W7 shouldn't successfully build on that. But I still need XP to run my games.

29 October 2008, 10:48 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

agami (User):

APC should put a copy of their review version of Windows 7 on the cover disk of the next issue. That way we can all give it a go and judge for ourselves ;)

29 October 2008, 9:11 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Senior member):

There's a half dozen 'useful' items on this list ...... YAY !
And I just hope MS, with all it's clout' can pressure the bloody OEM's to get their drivers out fast and stable.
To this day AMD/ATI still cannot provide a stable Graphics drivers for it's Vista versions. Just check out the AMD forum for comments about their latest 8.10 drivers for 32-bit Vista. The 64-bit version is even worse.

29 October 2008, 9:54 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Your Average Joe:
And I just hope MS, with all it's clout' can pressure the bloody OEM's to get their drivers out fast and stable.

Appears that pressure is diminishing. It's nor MS's place to dictate to the industry, a more co-operative approach that recognised that OEMs and other vendors need to earn a crust too would be far more productive. And a realisation that vendors can be more than a hand picked list of MS preference.


29 October 2008, 10:18 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Raindog:
It's nor MS's place to dictate to the industry,

When you own over 80% of the desktop market, the OEM's better play along or they will lose a fair chunk of their sales. And as YAJ has suggested, I don't see many Ubuntu worshippers shelling $400 for a graphics card to run Gimp !



29 October 2008, 10:34 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
When you own over 80% of the desktop market,

OWN ???

But lets have a look at that 80%.

Isn't that 80% a decline from recent years? We don't see a decline in computer usage, so it looks like those alternatives are growing at a steady rate.


Quoting Me In Oz:
the OEM's better play along or they will lose a fair chunk of their sales.

MS better consider their marketplace and other industry players or they will continue to loose a fair chunk of their sales.


Quoting Me In Oz:
I don't see many Ubuntu worshippers shelling $400 for a graphics card to run Gimp !

Could say something about the relative efficiency of the underlying code. It may be in your interests to foster sales of overblown and generally buggy graphics cards at outrageous cost. Good business if and while you can get it. But why the hell do we need this stuff. And given that industry and commerce and even end consumers will now be under extreme pressure to deliver efficiency, there will be a definite trend towards more efficient hardware and software.




29 October 2008, 11:27 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Raindog:
It may be in your interests to foster sales of overblown and generally buggy graphics cards at outrageous cost

Step away from your computer as a career choice Raindog, and you'll realise a lot of people use their computers for entertainment too. While you feel that our comments do not pertain to super systems in network configs, we also would like you to understand that the single desktop used for gaming and entertainment is a HUGE part of the market driving development and technology breakthroughs.

You may deem gaming and leisure computing inconsequential, but the industry and alot of us disagree. Most of the apps/uses to which you have devoted your talents to could be served with 10 year old machines running Linux. And that's OK. But for the rest of us 'tech' whores, we love to wallow in the latest and greatest innovations.

I personally would not like to return to 386's running a slick and efficient OS like DOS 6.22 !




29 October 2008, 12:01 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Step away from your computer as a career choice Raindog

Just a component part of a career and business choice.


Quoting Me In Oz:
and you'll realise a lot of people use their computers for entertainment too.

The mind boggles. :>

Quoting Me In Oz:
While you feel that our comments do not pertain to super systems in network configs

Super systems? My PCs with their undies on the outside in what I'm referring to.


Quoting Me In Oz:
we also would like you to understand that the single desktop used for gaming and entertainment is a HUGE part of the market driving development and technology breakthroughs.

Technology breakthroughs? The $400 graphics card is the technological equivalent to a chrome muffler on a Magna. A marginal performance increase for an exhorbitant cost penalty.


Quoting Me In Oz:
You may deem gaming and leisure computing inconsequential,

Thankyou for granting your blessing but I was already seeing it as inconsequental prior to the granting of any approvals.


Quoting Me In Oz:
Most of the apps/uses to which you have devoted your talents to could be served with 10 year old machines running Linux.

Some of the apps, some on embedded platforms. Curious how you assume such a detail knowledge of my endeavours.


Quoting Me In Oz:
But for the rest of us 'tech' whores, we love to wallow in the latest and greatest innovations.

You can sticker swap, and quote specs all you like, good health to you.
But don't presume this to be the extents of computing, or your choices to be the only possible ones.

Quoting Me In Oz:
I personally would not like to return to 386's running a slick and efficient OS like DOS 6.22 !

Few would, yet its sad that many of the strengths of these early offerings were to evaporate in future releases and many of the weaknesses still exist. That is hardly progress.


29 October 2008, 12:18 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Raindog:
Technology breakthroughs? The $400 graphics card is the technological equivalent to a chrome muffler on a Magna. A marginal performance increase for an exhorbitant cost penalty.

Come on Raindog ! I have given you too much credit if you really believe that ! Just check out the development cycle and R&D that has into the production of the latest 4870 GPU. Just the numbers of transistors it has compared to the latest Intel CPU offerings should allay any doubts you have about 'chrome' mufflers on a Magna !




29 October 2008, 12:27 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
should allay any doubts you have about

I have no doubts about chrome mufflers. (or GPUs for that matter) :>


29 October 2008, 1:17 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (Advanced member):

Quoting Raindog:
The $400 graphics card is the technological equivalent to a chrome muffler on a Magna. A marginal performance increase for an exhorbitant cost penalty.

Marginal ?

This statement is an idictment on your vast knowledge of the gaming industry then !




29 October 2008, 12:37 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
Marginal ?

Yes marginal.

Quoting CBR1100XX:
This statement is an idictment on your vast knowledge

Well actually its just an explanation of a basic reality. Purchasers of chrome mufflers equally will also extol volumes to justify their spends.


29 October 2008, 1:15 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Senior member):

Quoting Raindog:
A marginal performance increase for an exhorbitant cost penalty.

80% of games and 3D CAD apps would not even load if not for a dedicated GPU !


Quoting Raindog:
Curious how you assume such a detail knowledge of my endeavours.

You're the one leaving all the clues ;)




29 October 2008, 12:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Your Average Joe:
You're the one leaving all the clues ;)

Well come one, share your vision, show us what your 2 + 2 equals! :>



31 October 2008, 12:10 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dummey (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
I don't see many Ubuntu worshippers shelling $400 for a graphics card to run Gimp !

*COUGH* *raises hand* There are other reasons to have a nice graphics card. Also want to point out that 400$ graphics card is a small sector anyways.




29 October 2008, 1:59 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting dummey:
There are other reasons to have a nice graphics card

Agreed !

Quoting dummey:
Also want to point out that 400$ graphics card is a small sector anyways.

Not here in SE Qld.
AMD 4850 and 4870, NVidia GTX260 and GTX280 are outselling their lower end brethrens by 2:1.
No one wants a $150 card that can only run 30% of the games out there.
They would rather spend $400 to be able to run 99% of the games out there !
So they'll save the extra over another month and always gets the 'high' end GPU !


29 October 2008, 2:12 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Not here in SE Qld.

A known haven for white shoes, chrome mufflers, over-priced GPU sales, UFO sightings and excess consumption of red cordial. But what of the reality for Dell, HP and the rest of the planet? :>

Quoting Me In Oz:
No one wants a $150 card that can only run 30% of the games out there.

OMG $150 for my GTX-R-5400/Turbo++MegaPixal GPU card and your telling me it wont run Maim & Bludgeon IV? Spare the humanity. :>

Quoting Me In Oz:
They would rather spend $400 to be able to run 99% of the games out there !

About the going rate for PlayStation or Nintendo. :>




29 October 2008, 3:18 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Raindog:
About the going rate for PlayStation or Nintendo

Try wordprocessing, net-surfing, emailing and anything else constructive using a gamepad :)



29 October 2008, 3:23 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
and anything else constructive using a gamepad :)

Constructive? Weren't you talking about gaming?

The wordprocessing, browsing, analysis and almost anything else constructive will run admirably with fairly basic GPU hardware. :>





29 October 2008, 3:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Raindog:
Weren't you talking about gaming?

You don't have to diffirentiate Raindog ! Computers running Vista can do both ! ...... Hee Hee ;)




29 October 2008, 4:01 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Computers running Vista can do both !

May be it can? On a good day, 13 months later when you get that elusive driver for something as exotic as an SB Audigy. The fast-tracking of Win7 says the reality that is Vista is nowhere near as functional as your blind enthusiasm would have us believe.

Or did you want to blame those evil (closet mac user) journalists too?


29 October 2008, 4:18 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Raindog:
driver for something as exotic as an SB Audigy

I think that's the other guy !

Quoting Raindog:
Vista is nowhere near as functional as your blind enthusiasm would have us believe.

Don't think I ever said Vista was perfect ! But as a gaming OS, it has no peer (games compatibility and on-line play in particular) !

Quoting Raindog:
Or did you want to blame those evil (closet mac user) journalists too?

Not just them ! Mainly sick of all the bagging that happens even before the nay-sayers even use the RTM !




29 October 2008, 4:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
But as a gaming OS, it has no peer

Or in the case of Potaroo above it has no purpose. Seems he still has to run XP to shoot his flavour of aliens.

Of course for anything with a purpose, Vista has just required more hardware for no tangible improvement. The nice thing about this article is that it offers some suggestion that MS may have learnt at least a tiny amount from the overblown flop they call Vista.


29 October 2008, 4:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

gankul (Cornerstone member):

For CAD or gaphic intensive progam (maya, 3d Studio etc) 400 dollar graphics card is relativly cheap.

29 October 2008, 3:51 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Not here in SE Qld.
AMD 4850 and 4870, NVidia GTX260 and GTX280 are outselling their lower end brethrens by 2:1.


No. No they don't. You are ignoring all the thousands of PCs bought by government and businesses with simple onboard graphics. Gamers make up a tiny percentage of the market.

30 October 2008, 9:27 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Tin:
You are ignoring all the thousands of PCs bought by government and businesses

You are correct Tin ! But all along I have been referring to single desktop use for gaming/entertainment. Gov and Businesses are not part of our upgrade retail strategy as they are tendered contracts going to the lowest bidders. Inevitably ending up as older technology machines running low demand apps being bought.




30 October 2008, 11:19 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Gov and Businesses are not part of our upgrade retail strategy

And yet those sectors are an integral and substantial part of almost every major manufacturer and distributor.

Quoting Me In Oz:
as they are tendered contracts

That will be news to a great many businesses. I will have to ring up dozens of the companies I deal with and tell them they are doing it all wrong.

Quoting Me In Oz:
tendered contracts going to the lowest bidders.

You'd mean the lowest bid complying to or exceeding a customer determined specification.

Quoting Me In Oz:
Inevitably ending up as older technology machines running low demand apps being bought.

New again to the businesses of the land. Most major businesses will purchase based on TCO, and buy stable secure and long lived hardware.



30 October 2008, 11:59 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Raindog:
Most major businesses will purchase based on TCO, and buy stable secure and long lived hardware.

Most businesses wouldn't know what those criteria are !
And base their purchase strategy on price and advice from people pushing their own barrows !




31 October 2008, 10:49 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Most businesses wouldn't know what those criteria are !

Your observations must be based on a very limited and skewed sample of those SEQ businesses who sometimes frequent gaming shops.

Quoting Me In Oz:
And base their purchase strategy on price and advice from people pushing their own barrows !

Sounds very like the perspective of those flogging overpriced GPU cards to me.

Sadly your perspective of the functions and applications for windows 7 is based solely around the whims and fancies of the subgroup who choose the title gamers. The views and biases of this often noisy subgroup of consumers is not indicative of the entire marketplace you need to come to terms with this in order to make any kind of reasoned evaluation.


31 October 2008, 11:09 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Raindog:
The views and biases of this often noisy subgroup of consumers is not indicative of the entire marketplace you need to come to terms with this in order to make any kind of reasoned evaluation.

I could say the same of your subgroup !
You see Raindog, all the subgroups make up the group itself and so thus all are quite valid and relevant to the whole. So I think the understanding of which you speak of should always be a 2 way street.
I'm well aware of the requirements of business (we do sell quite alot of hardware/software to this subgroup). And don't discount SE Qld as an insignificant market. It is quite srong and promising even in these economic times.

So lets just say, you look after your specialty and we gamers will look after ours :)




31 October 2008, 11:31 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
I'm well aware of the requirements of business

You comments about business purchasing solely by tender suggest you may no be as in touch as you think.


Quoting Me In Oz:
And don't discount SE Qld

Why not :>


Quoting Me In Oz:
lets just say, you look after your specialty and we gamers will look after ours

No can do! At least until there is some recognition that not everyone wants, needs or desires the perpetual resources grab that successive Windows versions have become.




31 October 2008, 2:09 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Raindog:
At least until there is some recognition that not everyone wants, needs or desires the perpetual resources grab

Don't hold out on this recognition ! It's a consumer society.
Everyone may not want all of this 'bloat', but some do.
And, again, as for resource grab, well, on a single desktop it is a moot point with the price of hardware as cheap as it it.




31 October 2008, 3:35 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

You know you can run games on Linux too, right?
I'm about to buy a ~$400 card and will probably run Debian (maybe Ubuntu, but I don't like the fanboism of Ubuntu users).

30 October 2008, 9:21 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Tin:
You know you can run games on Linux too, right?

I've yet to see a Linux rig run DX10 games and PhysX successfully. And lets not start on on-line gaming with a Linux rig ! My comments are founded on many LAN Gaming (usually 20-40 machines) sessions that we set up here in SE Qld.

Quoting Tin:
but I don't like the fanboism of Ubuntu users

Don'y let that put you off. many of the people who 'detest' MS and have cut their noses off in spite of their face have run quite a few games successfully off this distro.

My 2 cents says if you are going to spend that sort of dosh then use XP or Vista for your gaming needs. But by all means play with Linux (we are all geeks, after all). My fave distro is Mandriva :)




30 October 2008, 11:27 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
My comments are founded on many LAN Gaming (usually 20-40 machines) sessions that we set up here in SE Qld.

Oh the technology, 20 PC networks with 20 sub-woofers clipping away at square wave, the fun in SEQ just never stops. :>


Quoting Me In Tin:
but I don't like the fanboism of Ubuntu users

If we avoided products because of rampant slavering fanbois we'd be avoiding every build of linux, every release of mac, everything MS, and even old Ataris. Just ignore the chest beatings or give them the disdain they deserve, and select what you use based on its merits and suitability for use.


31 October 2008, 12:06 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Raindog:
and select what you use based on its merits and suitability for use.

That's why I chose Vista for gaming :)




31 October 2008, 10:46 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
That's why I chose Vista for gaming

Curious then that legions of other have had to retain XP or instigate some form of multi-boot to play their shoot-em-ups of choice.


31 October 2008, 10:59 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Raindog:
some form of multi-boot to play their shoot-em-ups of choice.

That is a necessity if you want to play legacy games requiring FAT32 or FAT16. Vista is the ONLY choice for new DX10 and PhysX games (think I said this already). My pc is multiboot Win98SE, XP and Vista :)




31 October 2008, 11:22 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
My pc is multiboot Win98SE, XP and Vista

speaks volumes re: inadequacy and incompatibility of OS software.


31 October 2008, 2:01 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Raindog:
inadequacy and incompatibility of OS software

I wholeheartedly agree !
But this is not all due to the developers. People like me insist on running legacy software !
Even you have to admit that NTFS is a more secure and robust file system than FAT !

But that's enough from me ! I think we've hijacked this thread long enough :-)

(APC should have a Private Messaging facility so you and I can joust until our hearts content)




31 October 2008, 3:39 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
I think we've hijacked this thread long enough

Hijacking?


Quoting Me In Oz:
APC should have a Private Messaging facility so you and I can joust until our hearts content

Send me an e-mail you can get the address of your mate with the red computer he (like others) claims to know everything about my business. :>


31 October 2008, 3:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Potoroo (User):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Quoting Raindog:
some form of multi-boot to play their shoot-em-ups of choice.

That is a necessity if you want to play legacy games requiring FAT32 or FAT16.


Nonsense. Games like CFS3 and SH3 that have been kept alive and enhanced by strong communities run on XP but won't run on Vista. FAT of any flavour is simply not a factor.

Quoting Me In Oz:
Vista is the ONLY choice for new DX10 and PhysX games

PhysX runs just fine on XP. And none of the DX10 games have yet to demonstrate why it is a killer gaming requirement.


01 November 2008, 1:46 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting Potoroo:
DX10 games have yet to demonstrate why it is a killer gaming requirement.

Try call of Juarez on DX9 and then DX10, and tell me there is no difference ! And there is more coming ! Far Cry 2 on DX10 is something else :)

Quoting Potoroo:
Games like CFS3 and SH3 that have been kept alive and enhanced by strong communities run on XP but won't run on Vista.

That's my point ! That's why I multiboot.



01 November 2008, 4:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

Quoting Me In Oz:
I don't see many Ubuntu worshippers shelling $400 for a graphics card to run Gimp !

Seriously, as much as I love Linux, Gimp is just not working out.

01 November 2008, 1:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (Advanced member):

Looks all very promising :)
We'll just have to wait and see how the journos and spin doctors receive it pre-release. Hopefully some of the Vista stigmatism has dissipated and they can look it from a fresh view. The transition from Win95 to Win98 comes to mind.

Personally, I think it is Vista 2.0 ! But Hey ! I don't want the responsibility of starting this rumour ;)

Hopefully, my SB Audigy card will work with it ! (Damn you, SB)

29 October 2008, 10:03 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
Looks all very promising

There are some promising sign in this release from all viewpoints.


Quoting CBR1100XX:
We'll just have to wait and see how the journos and spin doctors receive it pre-release.

Well wont that depend of whether or not the product delivers? Journalistic opinions are a guide only, it is the marketplace that has determined in the most part that Vista sucked for them.


Quoting CBR1100XX:
and they can look it from a fresh view.

well that depend on whether or not it offers some fresh alternatives and whether or not it resolves much of the issues that vista would have introduced.


Quoting CBR1100XX:
Personally, I think it is Vista 2.0

the 6.1 says you may be right.


Quoting CBR1100XX:
Hopefully, my SB Audigy card will work with it !

It's proven to work and work well on XP :>


29 October 2008, 10:24 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AtticusFinch (User):

My son (autistic) and I are looking forward to the touchscreen technology implemented for general computer use.

29 October 2008, 10:10 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TV Bis (User):

Gee whiz, I'm impressed! Not really it's just an upgrade to Vista but hey, I'll upgrade!.................

29 October 2008, 11:48 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Halcon (Cornerstone member):

Microsoft is the Number one bully that try to crash all opposition with their irrelevant talk.
Windows 7 is nothing more than Vista revisited, so there is no incentive to move forward to that OS.
Microsoft will try to convince everyone that having an army of programmers working on that white elephant is justified to jack up the price of their product line and taking advantage to create derivatives of just one product into many colourful names.
Raindog is right when he says "So while more appealing what is presented here does little to help overcome a lot of opposition and apprehension".
As a software company, Microsoft is getting away with no punishment from the authorities for their deceptive practices.
The big software companies are totally dishonest, higher costs are placed upon their products, they expect everyone to abide to the unrealistic conditions written in their End User License Agreement, the user of their products is treated as an scum if these conditions are not accepted.
Moreover, as prices are sky high and not everyone can afford to buy these products, the last resort for these people is to get a "pirated copy" of any of the products needed for specific tasks.
Due to the utter arrogance of these companies, not willing to lower the price of their products to a more affordable means to buy these, citing the stupid idea that they have a lot of people working on their software product lines.
Worst is to brainwash the people with a lot of nonsense that to protect their so called "intellectual property" they use product "hacktivation" "Windows disadvantage" spyware trickery on everyone.
This is how very pathetic is the situation is today, you use a piece of a program in your computer, it cost a lot more than any electronic gadget, Television Set, Sound System or anything that you see, touch and interact with; yet it has a very limited warranty of less than 3 months.
With an electronic product you have between 1 to 5 years warranty!
I am fed up with the PR stunt software companies try to dish out to convince everyone that this time around the product will do some wonderful job.

29 October 2008, 1:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

gankul (Cornerstone member):

IF it is a question of cost, then how much is too much for the os? xp home and pro editions can be had oem for less then 200 now. IS this too much for standard people?

Vista had rediculouse pricing and amount of versi0ons, ill agree to that. I would prefer windows 7 to only have the home and pro editions, or better yet just one. the Pro.




29 October 2008, 2:05 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

plutonium210 (Advanced member):

Do I dare say that with each new version of Windows, the line between MS and Apple are getting a little fuzzy ? The feature set and aesthetics of Win7 are suspiciously familiar to OSX !

(We'll see how long it takes for Raindog to jump in with rants about MacTards)

29 October 2008, 2:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Quoting plutonium210:
the line between MS and Apple are getting a little fuzzy ?

I suppose you could say MS is giving the market what it desires ! ................ Nah ! Just kidding .. LOL




29 October 2008, 4:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

FindTheWalrus (User):

Windows 7 seems to have been conceived with one goal in mind: fixing the damage done by Vista or,if you will, fixing vista.

There were plenty of promises made before Vista came out so Microsoft just has to deliver everything this time.

29 October 2008, 6:20 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jake (User):

ok did they get rid of flip 3D?

29 October 2008, 11:00 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jake (User):

oops, sorry i didn't mean to post twice.

29 October 2008, 11:00 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

McBanjo (Senior member):

"can you spot the 378 differences?"

No, but I can spot 378 things cloned directly from Leopard.

29 October 2008, 11:40 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting McBanjo:
but I can spot 378 things cloned directly from Leopard.

But can you stripe 365 things cloned directly from tiger?


31 October 2008, 11:41 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

If those little textless icons are the new taskbar "way", then I'll keep my copies of XP and Vista thanks... Text is what tells me what something really is. Icons only tell me what type of thing it is (and when you have 5 or 6 lots of something open, it's kind of handy to know which is which).

30 October 2008, 9:37 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AndyCee (Advanced member):

Looks like what Vista was meant to be.

"it's everything Pidgin and Adium aren't. And more."
So it has more features. Except the ones they have. Including extra ones they have, and don't have. Wait - what?

30 October 2008, 5:44 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Martin Gifford (User):

I wish they'd just fix Windows Explorer and Search and give more power over the desktop and themes.
If you want to change from searching document names to document contents, it's hard to find where to make the adjustments.
I'd love them to use the ribbon (although I don't like it in Office 2007).

30 October 2008, 6:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sp33d d3mon (Cornerstone member):

wow, a fatter taskbar! now that's an incentive to upgrade! (not)

the ribbon in paint and that should be good, as well as a slimmer wmp with divx/xvid support is also good, but still, anyone who knows about k lite or vlc/mpc still wont want to upgrade vi$ta to 7.

30 October 2008, 8:09 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

plutonium210 (Advanced member):

Hey Me In Oz and Raindog !
You two want to go and get a room ?

31 October 2008, 3:44 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CameronCross (New user):

That background looks very similar to fedora 9's default background.

12 November 2008, 10:45 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mike 029384 (New user):

Looks like Microsoft is playing catch-up with Macintosh, KDE, and Linux.

17 November 2008, 2:23 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymoussss (New user):

Wow. Even more like OSX than Vista. Very original

17 November 2008, 6:22 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

nightstep (New user):

It dont matter what it looks like (Linus & OSX) as long as it "operates" just like and operating system should do.

17 November 2008, 1:11 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting nightstep:
as long as it "operates" just like and operating system should do.

Which hasn't been a strong point for Windows lately.
I'm actually disturbed to see quite a number of visual things copied from other OSes. Not simply due to them being copied, but because it's a strong sign MS care more about the look than the behaviour. Which is a sign they don't care about what we want to do with our PCs.
At the end of the day, I don't care what MS do. If the OS sucks, I won't be using it much.

17 November 2008, 3:40 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sionnach (New user):

The speil given by MicroSoft on their new OS, Windows 7, is all very wel, BUT, will it really outdo XP for all round compatability and user friendliness.
True, some of the Vista features are really good, but the whole OS fails to impress when driver issues still continue this long after Vistas' release. I for one will stick with XP untill V7 proves itself.

23 November 2008, 1:43 AM (12 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

wenoitsu (New user):

It's a tossup between legacy issues and new
things with cogs flying out take your pick :)

One wonders if they increased R&D and took
more time if needs be start from the kernel up
again got everything as stable as possible.

Ok 2k3 wasn't the best example perhaps but
currently it's what the training partners
of MS are mainly focusing on that and XP.

But many prior versions had similar issues
and everything is always push to shove to get it out the
door cos the corporate spying whingers want it now
you said now so it should be now and have a big
hissy fit.

Personally i wouldn't mind if they took ten years
to knockup the next "Decent" OS oh boy the sharks
are circling on that comment.

Drivers for any MS OS has been a primary issue
and they're all just as bad as each other because
beloved .inf and .dll (and others)seem to have this extremely
high mortallity rate well all files do windows
just loves corrupting itself.

Good example some types of USB modem drivers
and even some PCI ones were nortorious.

Probably because things get hammered daily
as anyone who's suffered RADIUS authentication
issues or similar has discovered.

Everything can look right but be stuffed if it
will work upon deleting and replacing or making
new oh will you look at that the dam thing works.

I know next to nothing about this things but
it's all getting to slap dash people have to start
taking pride in they're work and you can't do that
under tight schedules or badly designed things
they rely on to do they're task.

Take a breather MS you've earnt one regardless
of what the whingers say.

Some of us are just glad MS stuck around this long :)

It got the *nix world to push forward and boy have they what.

Now with all this virtual hyper threading multi core
CPU departing from platform x86 sorry patented information
unavailable please try again later when this things obsolete.

Fair dinkum it's all to much :)

26 November 2008, 11:35 AM (12 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

schmoeleco (New user):

If this does not work for MS, Will Bill come back in to save the day, or will Steve go to Washington in a hybrid to beg money for a bailout?

05 December 2008, 10:29 AM (11 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

rolando985 (New user):

As per usual, The OS will be buggy and useless until you upgrade, then they replace it. If you have an old PC u urge you to put a good KDE linux on it.

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