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APC administrator06 July 2006, 3:12 AM

Mac fans worldwide are feeling a disturbance in the force: author Cory Doctorow (of BoingBoing fame) and software developer Mark Pilgrim have announced they've had it with OS X, and are switching to Ubuntu.


Apple has long positioned OS X as the operating system for getting the most out of your computer, and there is something to that claim.

If you want to spend more time enjoying your PC (and less time configuring it and battling 'helpful' popups), you could do a lot worse than the synergy of a Mac running OS X.

So I got a big shock when I read that two of the Mac platform's greatest supporters have moved over to GNU/Linux - the Ubuntu distribution - because they feel that it better satisfies their needs.

Cory Doctorow has this tattoo on his bicep - it's a sad MacThe first was software developer Mark Pilgrim about a month ago, and recently Cory Doctorow piped up an admitted that he was switching too.

How could it be that things could have changed so dramatically, so quickly?

Well, for starters, looking at their justifications one gets the impression that these issues have been looming for some time now.

Mark Pilgrim points to DRM and proprietary file formats as being a huge problem for him, and these have been a part of the Mac platform since iPods became the music player of choice for the discerning consumer.

(As a sidenote, hopefully he won't freak out as much as the Windows and Mac users did when he notices Ubuntu doing evil update checking.)

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A lack of choice is also troubling for Pilgrim, who sees recent software offerings from Apple as being generally inferior to third-party GPL software.

I can see his point - I recently yelled "LOLZ!" in the office when I realised that Quicktime player still won't play in full screen without a command line hack, or a full version license.

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Sheesh, even GXine that comes with Ubuntu can do that straight out of the box. So much for superior offerings from commercial software vendors.

Cory Doctorow's reasoning is partially that he agrees with Pilgrim but also the considerably more pragmatic concern that, now that the installed hardware is point for point comparable, he couldn't see a Macbook as being a superior offering to a Lenovo Thinkpad with the same hardware configuration.

This is a big issue for Apple. A Macbook, regardless of what the more zealous members of the Mac fraternity will tell you, is still more expensive than offerings from other vendors, even though it's now possible to do a direct comparison based on specifications.

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So what is a Mac these days? Intel chipset and CPU, ATi or Intel GPU, SATA drive, dual layer DVD burner, and so on.

Sounds suspiciously like the Dell that I'm writing this on (running Ubuntu funnily enough).

Interestingly, Ubuntu uses GNOME as the primary desktop environment. I've always used the "GNOME is like Mac OS Classic, and KDE is like OS X and Windows had a baby with ADHD" analogy to explain the difference to users.

One point that's always made about GNU/Linux is that people need to be familiar with the UI before they can be productive with it, so users will be reluctant to switch.

However, GNOME is apparently similar enough to an interface that these users have already had years of experience with before OS X, so the switch was nice and easy.

Certainly Doctorow and Pilgrim are advanced users, but they're also users who have made a choice to go for usability over flexibility when they first chose a Mac.

Now, they have both decided that a GNU/Linux flavour is sufficiently usable, and considerably more flexible, so will go down that road.

Cory and Mark, welcome to the friendly world of GNU/Linux. We hope your stay is long and comfortable.

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Zaphod:

Who photoshopped the prices for the macbooks?

they start at $1099. NOT $1749!

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Err, well, they start at $1749 in Australia, where this site is based.

Yes, Apple stuff is expensive in Australia. The direct exchange from $1099 would be $AU1481; even factoring in freight costs, it's a bit hard to believe there's really $382 in it.

However, there are big differences in market size too. US would have some big volume advantages which would create shipping and support economies of scale for Apple.

Nonetheless, it's a bit hard to believe Apple isn't making a fast buck out of Aussies.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tim:

Dan, Not quite as bad as you say - We (Australia) have a 10% Goods & Services Tax - this takes your AU$1481 to AU$1629 so the mark up is AU$120 - not too bad for providing a different power supply etc. to a country that is less than 2% of the world economy.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Excellent point. Hadn't thought to take into account the GST.

Then again, surely USA has sales taxes of some sort as well that would be built into the price or hidden in the supply chain?

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CpILL:

I have to agree with Mark Pilgrims reason for switching. With Firefox, Jabber, VLC and Azureus you have 95% of what I use me Mac for. Of course there is SubEthaEdit for text editing but I have the cut down free version and I don’t really care which text editor I use for coding as long as it indents and syntax highlights.

I am only 6 months on a Mac from PC and I love it but I was appalled at the radically different attitude 3rd party software vendors for Mac have. There are far fewer free software options for Mac as most of the little guys charge after the first version. The opensource alternatives are not usual geared to Mac and require fiddling and downloading C librarys to compile into makes. I feel a bit on the fringe on a Mac when looking for alternatives.

An my gosh you need em. I can relate to iCal and iTunes corrupting and losing all my data. I’ve never experienced this before with software. They must be using the same buggy XML library. I switched to Mail as it intergrades with Addressbook (the best address book I’ve ever used btw) and Quicksilver, but it was a mistake. The main pain with it is that you can’t send emails from an alias with Mail so you have to show your real address at all times. I’d been using alias up until then and when one started to get spamed I would kill it and use another, only giving out my real email address to trusted friends.

But the lack of alternative to iTunes is really killing me. VLC is OK but is not a real music manager, and after 10,000 mp3’s iTunes just gets slower and slower and keeping it accurate gets harder and harder. Not to mention the odd corruption of the library file which results in an hour to rebuild (if you can at all).

The only draw back to a Linux switch is that I can’t live without Quicksilver and need to be able to do some Flash programming occasionally, which I don’t believe you can do on Linux atm, but maybe Adobe will do something about it…

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

manyoumeeteveryday:

try amarok. It handles devices, has music store integration and a really nice interface. It is frankly awesome.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Andy:

It's called 'Capitalism' - you see, companies like Apple need to *make money* in order to fund the huge amounts of RnD that they put into new products. They make money by *selling things* that their engineers have spend a lot of hard work developing.

Whilst I'm impressed with OS developments like Ubuntu (I'm installing it under Parallels on my MacBook as I type this), what I find extremely telling - and not a little sad - is the total lack of innovation that Linux shows. I"m sorry - but that's the cold hard truth. It seems to me that these days, Apple innovates (and funds the innovation by charging premium prices), MS copies the best bits and adds some more, and the Linux community cherry picks from both.

Of course, I'm focussing on the Interface

So, yeah, great - we could all switch to Ubuntu or something similar, and have a very OSX-ish experience (with the emphasis on the 'ish'); but we'd be freezing ourselves into the current OS featureset until another Apple innovated some more, and was lax enough with patents that the Linux community could rip it off.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Adrian Hoe:

Andy,

Yes, I agree with you. In fact, Apple's capitalism is good to move innovation ahead. Their engineers need bread and butter to feed their families so that they can focus in making new innovation.

If all the Linux distros come together and fund the innovation for Linux, I believe Linux will be the best OS on the planet.

For this moment, nothing beats Apple's hardware and OS. They are marvelous!

I moved to Linux in 1995 and totally Windows free in 1998. I moved to Mac OS X in 2003 and completely on Mac OS X in 2005. The reasons I moved to Mac OS X were 1.) Disappointed on how different distro packaged and configured their product. 2.) Unreliable online upgrade, system corrupted after online upgrade happened so many times and I had to fix it or re-install it. 3.) Hardware detection problem, my hardware could not be detected properly.

I believe most of these problems have been pretty well addressed by now but I don't have the heart to try any though. I am running a Debian Etch box for data storage and to provide me some functionality and programming needs.



29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Macmies:

I've been using Mac since 1986, started my computer use with CP/M and MS-DOS running on DEC Rainbow 100. I have tried Linux distributions like Yellow Dog Linux, Fedore Core 5 and Ubuntu and didn't like what I saw. Fedora Core 5 seems much slower on old G4 that Panther.

Trying to install Adobe Acrobat Reader is painfully difficult. Most applications are ugly looking compared to Mac apps and half-finished. It's simply not polished as Mac.

I'm familiar with command-line use, and I can do that in Mac, so there's no need for Linux. GIMP is not a replacement for Photoshop if you're advanced users. There are no professional-level apps available like Final Cut Pro or Aperture for Linux. Adobe apps are missing too.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Paul:

While I can respect anyone's decision about their choice of computer platform, I think the DRM issue being the reason is a little bit disingenuous.

First of all, what happened to the idea of good ol' backups? Or does Mark Pilgram now believe that hard drives are impervious to failure simply because the file system or app database is open?

Secondly, song *bought* from iTMS are DRM'd because of the music industry. They are the guys who LICENSE the songs for sale to Apple. If the songs were not DRM'd, Apple would not have permission to sell them. The amazing thing is that Apple managed to force the record companies to be consistent and relatively lenient with their DRM policies.

Third, iTunes itself plays non-DRM files just fine. There's nothing wrong with plain ol' MP3. It play non-DRM AAC just fine, too, as well as a host of other formats. It will import non-DRM Windows Media Audio files, too.

So the DRM issues seems to be pretty much a red herring to me. Mark and Cory can enjoy Ubuntu because it obviously works for them, but good luck to them if they think Apple is the only company using DRM, considering there are a hundred proprietary DRM'd Windows media music and video offerings to Apple's single iTMS. It's funny you don't see the same philosophical complaints about Movielink or MTV's Urge being a reason to dump Windows.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tom:

Andy, what are you talking about? There's tons more alternative UIs in the FOSS world than either Windows or MacOS.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

gescom:

Andy, about those rip off's http://www.folklore.org/...%20Date I'd say wait for the real XGL implementation.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Macaholic:

Two guys switch and it's newsworthy?? "How could it be that things could have changed so dramatically, so quickly?", you ask? "So dramatically"? "So quickly"? LMAO.

Sorry, bu there's NO drama here... and no news, either.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

lol:

Macs are the best, I dunno what you're wafflin on about lol

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

James:

I agree with the last poster. Linux is completely useless for professionals (other than for server usage).

Linux has improved in usability but unless you are doing mundane tasks like checking your email or highly advanced tasks like running a variety of server operations. Trying to go beyond the mundane tasks results in having to compile software and installing drivers (such as graphics drivers) can be a huge pain.

People that switch to Linux obviously don't do and graphics, audio, publishing, or business type work.

The nice thing about Linux is the vast quantities of free software. A lot of it is unfinished or downright ugly (due to people with any design sense NOT using Linux) but functional. The Mac does have issues with software still. I hope that changes because I have been considering switching for just over a year. The Quicktime issue is a joke and needs to be addressed ASAP. Hopefully Apple learns from their mistakes.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

chris:

powersupply... thats no excuse we aint the only ones with the 240v electrical system my friend

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Declan Kennedy:

"I agree with the last poster. Linux is completely useless for professionals (other than for server usage)."

Funny, the two professionals in question would disagree. As would this professional.

"Trying to go beyond the mundane tasks results in having to compile software and installing drivers (such as graphics drivers) can be a huge pain."

Yawn. Learn a new tune. Been running Ubuntu 6.06LTS for months, and I don't even have GCC installed.

The only graphics driver problem I have is when I boot Windows on the same machine and it tells me that "XXX.exe has failed to initialise correctly". Gee, that must be dodgy Linksoo's fault, right?

"People that switch to Linux obviously don’t do and graphics, audio, publishing, or business type work."

Well, considering that I do all of those things with Linux, most of them on a daily basis, I'm going to have to ask that you please actually go and try the software before venturing such opinions.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

fd4:

"People that switch to Linux obviously don’t do and graphics, audio, publishing, or business type work."

And yet, how do you explain Pixar and Dreamworks Animation using Linux to produce films like "Cars" and "Over the Hedge".

You can tell most Mac people have no clue of the REAL world.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mm:

"Trying to go beyond the mundane tasks results in having to compile software and installing drivers (such as graphics drivers) can be a huge pain."

What you say is true...if you are talking about 1995. A piece of advice: nobody will listen to you if you make ridiculously uninformed arguments. An Ubuntu user could argue against Apple computers because they are text-based. That was true years ago.

One argument that has been made against Ubuntu by a small number of Linux users is that compiling software is not even possible out of the box.

And as for design issues, (a) I prefer Linux over the Mac, (b) you speak out of ignorance, because much of what you wrote is not true, and (c) some people like having choice.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

I'd like to try Ubuntu Dapper Drake out of curiosity, but when I tried to boot off the live CD on a late-model Dell with an NVIDIA graphics card, I just got lines running down the screen -- some sort of screen corruption.

I couldn't figure out how to troubleshoot it ... certainly nothing jumped out at me. I wonder if Ubuntu needs to use more conservative defaults at initial boot.

Anyway, this did kinda put me off Linux. You don't generally have such fundamental problems with Windows or OS X. (Don't get me wrong, Windows has PLENTY of problems... it annoys me every single day, but it does get some of the basics right such as relatively stable installation and booting on an incredibly vast array of hardware.)

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mm:

Dan: I actually had similar problems with Dapper Live on a computer that had an nvidia card. The best answer I ever got is that this has to do with the fact that the nvidia driver is proprietary, which is a problem for the Live CD.

If you just want to try out Dapper, you might consider the Live CD appliance available for VMWare player. You could decide whether to set up a dual-boot machine later.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dennis:

“And yet, how do you explain Pixar and Dreamworks Animation using Linux to produce films like “Cars” and “Over the Hedge”.

You can tell most Mac people have no clue of the REAL world."

Oh, you mean the real world where everyone can write their own custom software to do their work?

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Declan Kennedy:

"Oh, you mean the real world where everyone can write their own custom software to do their work?"

Uh... did Pixar/Dreamworks write Maya?

Of course some studios write all of their software in house. However, as you yourself implied, not everyone can afford to.

With a 3DS Max 8 license costing $US1500 more than a Maya license, plus the added cost of paying for Windows, small studios could do a lot worse than Ubuntu/Suse running Maya. And it's arguably better software for character animation projects anyway.

That said, I do think that the comment about Mac people not knowing about The Real World ™ was unfair - I mean, where is this "real world" anyway?

Oh wait, I found it behind my blender... Hey! Blender! LOLZ!

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Barry USA:

At 59 years young and a avid Windows user, it's easy to see on the Net that Microsoft has opened a Pandora's Box and appears to be loosing to Open Source.

The biggest reason, the average Joe doesn't trust Microsoft anymore and MS has taken the fun out of computing. Just like gaming, take the fun out of it and you lose, and lose big.

When you work for a Big Business, you learn to see hand writing on the wall (been there, done it). I've been watching the OS battle for years now and my prediction is, Microsoft Vista is headed to be a Business and Government only Operating System. With everything happening currently to computers and related electronics, the general population is going switch to Linux in the very near future. Why, its free, and its not made or controlled by MS.

Music DRM (Digital Rights Management) has had a huge impact on the fun of the average home computer user and most people are really very unhappy. Fun is what made computing and I guess when your business gets to be too Big you forget what fun is. Harley Davidson is a good example, they kept the business small, sell everything they make and have fun doing it. With Windows XP it's not much fun anymore, pretty stable but Zero fun factor. Linux is trying to keep it fun and honest.

With all of the Trusted Computing Requirements and DRM that Microsoft has designed for all electronic hardware and Vista software (the big brother stuff), the average Joe is opening his eyes. Japan woke a sleeping Giant on December 7,1941 and Microsoft is about to repeat history, the Giant world of computing that they them selfs created.

Trust is a word that has a very specific human meaning in every day life and Microsoft may have over stepped that line. I Trust the Linux community will not shut off my free license to cyberspace. I can't say that about XP or the all new Vista that decides everything thats best for you, even deleting files without asking. I guess MS just plain forgot about their average customers and I think they have a rude awakening.

The many new free Distro's of Linux that offer "easy install and remove" graphical tools and free software banks have broke the barrier and have now begun to make Linux a very viable Operating System for the average user. There are a few bugs with Linux, mostly small hardware related problems but I see that change happening fast. I think Ubuntu Linux 6.06 looks great and has the most to offer currently but the new FreeSpire due out in August has that winning appeal of the old Windows 98 crowd (Beta just released-don't try using any Beta if you need your computer).

Good luck to all communities in the battle...Time will tell...Buy your own music...and donate to your favorite Distro when you've had it installed 90 days and decide to keep it. Donations will insure the competition.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Norm e:

To Andy and Paul and a few others,

I fully agree. I am an aerospace engineer but I don't do computers. I use them, thats all. Thats all most people do.

This is just my opinion, but MS is just getting crazier and crazier and harder to live with. Linux is good but for the most part, only computer geek types will put up with it. THe average person using a computer cannot program their VCR. Period. That will not change. So, what am I saying?

My guess is that in the near future (next couple of years) you are going to see Apple go big time. They run OSX. They have free iLife software. They can run windows or Linux if you want and run it quite well.

Intel just announced the quad processor for THIS year and an 8X to 80X processor soon. Apple software loves multi processor. The two are a match. Perfect? NO. but an easy match made for improving day after day.

Apple is taking over the "everyman" living room (well the well to do everyman :-) ) with easy to use get your music and video from ANY computer in the house automatically - ease.

Yes some people (geeks) will always "play" with their computers, and so will like systems that are easier to play with. BUt the millions that buy computers with either buy the cheapest thing that they can find or the easiest thing to use that they can find.

My thought is: "Don't be suprised if Apple share and public opinion just grow and grow" for the next 2-4 years at least.

JMHO.
Norm

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

William Pickett:

Hello,
Just have to laugh at all the finger pointing- and sure, many of us--myself included have made posts entirely ignorant of what is the truth. One thing stands out- only a few in life overall- will stand the test of time where self education and personal freedom is concerned. Only those so willing to pay the dues will make such a commit to education- regardless if its a software/computer use issue, or- in another venue- health. How many folks do any of you posters know who- instead of opting for a doctor to surgically 'save them' have instead, Educated themselves they they alone created the problem that is theirs? Few I would imagine (based on my ignorance of who is in your life of course).

Bottom line- as long as greed rules the behaviors, we will always see the examples posted here- 'them vs us' type of mentality, instead of - "Here is what I chose to educate myself, and here is what I learned. How may I be of service?

I would generally agree that Linux (Ubuntu) or any distro has a huge learning curve, and no it's not for geeks only. I find it a refreshing/various emotions- hee haw- challenge to learn new ways of making my system work.

What I would like to see, is a new OS linux that teaches as you upgrade- so then you know what had/has to be done going forward. Would take a lot of recompiling/updating- but I just bet it would make the transition loads more effective.

William Pickett
Albuquerque
Ubuntu Edgy 6.10 on older AMD Duron 800 and generic 64 bit on my AMD 64


29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Fulvio:

Learning curve?

After buying a stack of slot-load iMacs with Ubuntu from an educational instution, the hardest part was getting the login/password. I just wanted to check it out before reformatting and installing OS9 (pre-FireWire iMacs are not good OSX candidates). Finally got the password 2 hours ago. Took all of 10 min to set up prefs, and while playing around I found I couldn't see any of my Macs (9.2 through 10.4). Googling brought me here.

Yes, there are things I don't like much. Little things. But I will definitely be keeping at least one of these iMacs as is. And I will be recommending that all my friends also add an old Mac Ubuntu system to their stable. Can anyone think of another $100 piece of hardware that can provide as much fun???


29 February 2008, 8:34 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Joe:

when i find your article telling me that macbooks 13.3 2.0 ghz are going for 2399 I know the rest of this art is suspect too.

linux and ubuntu are great, but so is mac 0sx and winxp (vista still sucks).

so why be so blatant with your culling of misinformation and supposed celebrity endorsements?

seems to me you could tell the truth and still get your point across. you'd even be more believable then, and hence, worth listening too...

-- ch1pc, http://www.2gnj.com

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Feldwebel Wolfenstool:

..."configuring it and battling 'helpful' pop-ups...HAHAHAHA....haw haw haw....what a FEEBLE spin....

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anon33k443:

If the two users are worried about proprietary software they will eventually dump Ubuntu for a better, TRUE linux product.

Ubuntu uses libraries written for Ubuntu instead of some regular linux libraries. So when a program wants so and so file, and you are using Ubuntu and it has the Ubuntu version, good luck.



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