Telstra slugs new landline customers with $100 penalty for moving to naked DSL

David Flynn16 July 2009, 4:55 PM

A new $100 ‘temporary connection charge’ for disconnecting a landline after three months is claimed to dissuade customers from joining competing ISPs on a naked DSL plan.


Telstra has once against raised the ire of Australian broadband users and shone a spotlight on its own potentially anti-competitive strategies.

Changes introduced last week to its connection fees for new landlines now classify a landline connected for less than three months as a ‘temporary connection’ which attracts a $100 penalty for cancelling the service.

Broadband users claim this is intended to stop customers signing up for a home phone with Telstra and then immediately churning to another ISP for a naked DSL connection.

Why not establish the initial connect directly through that ISP or another telco? Because of reports that Telstra puts those new connection applications to the bottom of the pile, while giving priority to its own connections.

As a result, many broadband users are faced with waiting weeks or even months for an ADSL connection if they apply through their chosen ISP or less than a week if they initially get the line connected through Telstra.

A typical situation is described by Whirlpool member GarthD from Adelaide. “When we sorted out Internode ADSL here, the expected time for a Telstra tech to look at the line was about four weeks if we signed up direct with Internode, or three days if we signed up for a Telstra home line and transferred.”

“It’s bad enough paying $69 to Telstra (rather than your provider) to get your connection up earlier. (It) looks like they've decided they want $169 instead if you want to keep off the slow list.”

This has led to many new lines being connected through Telstra but then an almost immediate cancellation of the Telstra service when the customer churns onto their preferred ISP. That’s said to be the reason behind the sudden introduction of this $100 ‘early exit’ fee.

“I can only imagine that Telstra has seen a large increase in these sorts of signups and is looking to either cash in, or they feel it is costing them money and is looking to discourage competing ISPs from relying on this process” says Phil Sweeney, news editor for Whirlpool.

“I believe this is going to affect consumers signing up to naked DSL providers that have not implemented a full ULL provisioning process. For example, TPG requires you to have an active phone line before signing up to naked DSL. So after moving into a new house, you have to sign up with Telstra and then immediately switch to naked DSL, which deactivates the dial tone again. Providers with a full provisioning capability (such as iiNet) do not require this, and can provision naked DSL from scratch on an inactive line.”

For more information, visit the Whirlpool thread on “Telstra’s new Connection Charges”.

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Carmar (User):

And another Telstra beef - we went with the "all on one bill" cable broadband service. Supposed to be lightening fast and it was for a few months. Now it's as slow as the proverbial wet week. I'd like to change to Internode ADSL (which we use at work and it is fast) but I don't want to wait weeks and cough up for another lot of equipment etc which I am sure I will need.

16 July 2009, 5:03 PM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Pauly (User):

Not really relevent, you dont need an active landline to get Cable broadband

16 July 2009, 5:12 PM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tony23 (User):

This does read bad, but then again, maybe the old price was subsidised by the anticipated future profits that a telstra landline delivered. As long as the costing is correct, then it's consumer choice 101.

However, I think it's up to Telstra to demonstrate that $169 is not a complete rip off, a price with a fat margin because their landline model isn't delivering them anymore.

As a consumer, the sooner the infrastructure is ripped away from Telstra the better. As a taxpayer having to pay all the poor shareholders who own under-performing stock, where it's main asset is it's monopoly, I probably won't like it as much......

16 July 2009, 6:27 PM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AndyCee (Advanced member):

I did wonder why it took 6 weeks to have a guy from telstra come to my house, pick up the phone, listen for a dial tone and say "yep, you're good".

Telstra will be the first to go when the revolution comes.

16 July 2009, 7:42 PM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

The Big Baboo (User):

Quoting AndyCee:
Telstra will be the first to go when the revolution comes.

Yep Andy :) And I'm out there gunning for them right now "Viva La Revolucion"






17 July 2009, 12:22 PM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Rohun (New user):

It was the back to base alarm that stopped me, but I am still saving by switching from TransACT (Cable) and are increasing my download speed at the same time. TransACT could of done better. Telstra had to replace 50m of phone line TransACT had removed too, this was done 3 working days after I placed the work order. So its now Telstra for the phone line and Internode as the ISP, while I hassle the alarm company for a VOIP option ont the alarm.

17 July 2009, 12:50 AM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

peterh-oz (New user):

SURELY this is anti-competitive? Why does a user have to lock into a 3-month contract when they're required to connect to a monopoly service before they can use a competitor? The ACCC need to look at this, OR ensure that 3rd-party connections are not put to the "bottom of the pile".

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17 July 2009, 5:15 AM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Nissy (New user):

What a pack of complete a-holes. I mean really, you have no other choice if they are the only ones who can set you up with a line. And if they put you at the bottom of the pile delaying the connection for weeks when going with a competitor, how on earth is this a level playing field. The game is either rigged in Telstra's favor or it's not on at all. Something needs to be done to keep things fair.

17 July 2009, 5:56 AM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sondar (New user):

Well, I suppose that if it is OK for ISPs to charge an early disconnection fee for people churning away from them, it is equally appropriate for Telstra to do the same, in similar circumstances.

17 July 2009, 8:34 AM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

A lot of those fees are to cover charges from Telstra too. Along with fees to connect lines to services they are already connected to, Telstra will charge an ISP a minimum of X months ADSL access, etc. ISPs don't tend to want to charge anything they don't need to.

Where the fees aren't covering some random "Telstra Tax", it's covering hardware or some other initial signup cost. Telstra isn't incurring these costs for a line connection since it usually falls into the category of connecting a service that's already connected.

17 July 2009, 2:53 PM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

JGrant (User):

This will not earn telstra money, people will just get in the ISP queue and end up hating telstra more. Make the fee lower telstra otherwise you're doing yourself no favours.

17 July 2009, 10:36 AM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Here's another presently running Telstra classic at one site I I'm involved in.

Bigpond ADSL Rejection Reply:
"I contacted our service qualifications dispute team and was told that a dispute would not hold up. This is because the cable run is too long. Apparently the parameters have been tweaked and the current service that runs on the property would probably fail if the service were closed and re-applied [if you would care to reply with the phone number; I can check further]. I do apologise for this state of affairs but we do insist on supplying a premium service; both in landline and broadband.

That does not mean that another ISP can provision ADSL on the line. So it may be worth exploring all avenues.

Sorry for the outcome. Wireless broadband is a viable option and we can discuss that if you wish."


All sounds entirely reasonable, until you analyse why an existing 1500/256 ADSL connection that the customer is entirely happy with on an identical almost straight line cable route would not be reconnected. Consider further that the particular outer Sydney exchange is locked out from participation by any naked ADSL player or any participation other than Telstra re-sale.
For the record the existing too long cable delivers near it's maximum performance at the given line length.

By insisting on a premium service, you can read, Telstra wishes to extract as much premium as they can get away with for any service.
How would a NextG connection at around 3 times the price deliver a quality of service (premium in Telstra speak or implication) equivalent to a 1500/256 ADSL connection.
Add the cost considerations for the necessary Antenna for operation within a steel structure and it wireless option is looking anything but premium. Fixed IP?

Telstra is flat out refusing to supply a service in the hope that their more expensive wireless option will be utilised. If it was equivalant in price and performance I'd have no issue with this, but NextG is neither adaquate or equivalent.

Well guess what Telstra? it's not your wireless broadband offering a temporary service. You can talk to trade practices ACCC and TIO for any further negotiations.


17 July 2009, 11:29 AM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

The Big Baboo (User):

Quoting Raindog:
I do apologise for this state of affairs but we do insist on supplying a premium service; both in landline and broadband.

Haaaaa Bunch of Incompetent Windbags !!! The only "Premium Anything" they can supply is "Premium Beer" to their "Premium Stockholders" and looking at what the market price is for their stock is at the moment :) They must be a thirsty bunch :)






17 July 2009, 12:30 PM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

JGrant (User):

This will not earn telstra money, people will just get in the ISP queue and end up hating telstra more. Make the fee lower telstra otherwise you're doing yourself no favours.

17 July 2009, 11:48 AM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

NetR@nger (User):

It doesnt matter who you sign up with-telstra gets money.(He who owns the car,gets to drive).

27 July 2009, 3:08 PM (7 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

kossy25 (New user):

"For more information, visit the Whirlpool* thread on “Telstra’s new Connection Charges”." *mmmmmmmmmmm.... washing machines LIVE LONGER WITH CALGON

02 September 2009, 7:34 PM (6 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

joshua82 (New user):

I tried to connect a fixed line and a adsl account with B Digital, Was then told I would need a technician to visit the house as there was a problem with the phone line. I then was able to call telstra directly of the supposed broken phone line. But I think they then figured out what was going on and demanded a technician turn up if though I was making the calls all from the supposed broken phone line. In the end I had no choice but to connect with telstra but I did feel dirty about it.

22 September 2009, 6:38 PM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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