Telstra still selling non-Vista devices

Ian Grayson
18 July 2007, 5:47 AM


Six months after Vista's consumer launch, Telstra is still pushing incompatible wireless modems through its stores, and has admitted some of its satellite services will never be Vista compatible.


Telstra Next G Turbo Modem: it may be orange and superfast, but it ain't Vista compatible.Telstra Next G Turbo Modem: it may be orange and superfast, but it ain't Vista compatible.
If you're running Windows Vista and considering buying a Telstra Next G Turbo Modem data card beware - it's unlikely to work.

Six months after Vista's consumer launch, Australia's largest carrier is still promoting products that are incompatible with the operating system being preloaded onto the vast majority of new PCs and laptops.

The problem is compounded by the fact that neither staff in Telstra's retail stores or in their phone support centre seem to be aware of the problem.

After recently purchasing a USB Turbo Modem card from Telstra's flagship retail store in Elizabeth Street, Sydney, specifically to use with a new Vista notebook PC, I was frustrated when it consistently refused to connect to the network.

While the client software installed cleanly and the notebook recognised the card, clicking on the "connect" icon with the modem manager application caused an error message suggesting the user "check the wireless adapter". Reinstalling both the software and card did nothing to solve the problem.

A visit to a Telstra store elicited the advice that a faulty SIM card was the likely problem. However a replacement card did not help and so the staff member suggested calling the company's support call centre for wireless data products. No mention was made of the fact that the Turbo Modem cards are not Vista compatible.

On calling the help desk, the agent was also unaware of the compatibility issue, trying instead to work around the problem by creating a dial-up connection through Vista's network and sharing feature. This also didn't work.

A second call to the call centre was answered by an agent who was aware of the Vista issue. "It's not yet compatible but they (the hardware supplier) are working on it," he told APCMag.com. "We've not been told how long it will be."

Refusing to give up, I visited the web site of hardware manufacturer Maxon that provides the bright orange Next G Turbo Modem cards to Telstra. There we learned that while hardware drivers are available for Vista, the connection manager software shipping with the card is not Vista compatible.

According to Maxon's site, work is underway on creating a Vista-compatible modem manager application but no likely date of release has been announced.

The site suggests a work-around that involves disabling the SIM PIN request feature and inserting an extra initialisation command line into the modem's advance properties field. These steps worked and the card now functions as a wireless dial-up device.

While the card is now operational - albeit without the convenience and usage monitoring offered by the modem manager software - it's difficult to understand how Telstra can happily sell devices which are not compatible with a mainstream operating system that has been shipping since January, and it's inexcusable that call centre support staff have patchy knowledge of what must be a problem for many Telstra customers.

Telstra is yet to provide any comment on the problem.

We've also received word that Telstra satellite broadband is not Vista compatible either.

"Don't buy Vista if you use BigPond Satellite, as you cannot use it," wrote APC reader Karen Cains.

"BigPond currently does not offer any support for Vista when it comes to satellite -- which is great when you live in outback South Australia and as far as I can work out you can't get much else beside dial up.

"I wish I had known this before buying a new computer with Vista on it," she said.

Telstra BigPond spokesperson Bronwyn Winley confirmed that although some of its newer satellite modems work with Vista, many do not.

"The client software and drivers for BP 1-Way/BRC Satellite CPE aren't Vista-compatible, and the vendor has informed us that they will not be releasing a Vista-compatible version. We're recommending customers check our minimum system requirements before upgrading, and if they want to take up Vista that they take up another BP product (such as ADSL or HSDPA) if available," she said.

"The client software and drivers for BP legacy 2-Way CPE are also not Vista-compatible. Again, the vendor will not provide a Vista-compatible version. Affected customers can purchase newer modem for $900-1200 (depending on model chosen) which does make their service Vista-compatible."

 


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tin:

Wow... Who would have thought crap doesn't mix with turd??

I don't know who's worse... MS for blocking sales of XP, or Telstra for not making it obvious that Vista is a no go zone for their products.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Martin:

WRT "crap mixing with turd" ... which one is Telstra and which one is Micro$oft ? :-)

This would all be downright hilarious, if it wasn't costing users and business so much money. I smell a class-action in the wind (and it smells a lot like that aforementioned turd !)

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AnonymousBoo:

I am in the same boat as Karen (the lady in the article) - on 2-way sat and was told that the problem is that the DirecWay Navigator client will not work under Vista.

OK so try an alternative by using one of the 'other modems' mentioned in the article - "sorry sir, that modem will not work under your particular plan but if you change to this plan (more expensive, slower, lower download limit) the new modem will work".

More expensive plan, worse conditions and spend another $1000+ on a new modem? No Thanks!

As for using ADSL etc. as mentioned, hey, if I could get ADSL why would I use satellite in the first place?

I think that the blame here lies with the software vendor being unwilling to release an updated Vista version.

(Sorry, slightly OT to the first part of the article).

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Glen:

Soon to appear in APC WatchDog is another tale of woe of a IT Company not supporting Windows Vista with some of their currently-selling hardware. NetGear Australia continues to sell their Rangemax 240 series of Wireless Routers and Transceivers (alongside their Vista-compliant RangeMax Next pre-802.11n offerings) while these have been long discontinued for support under Vista. Their solution, "we will allow users to upgrade hardware at 50% of the RangeMax Next RRP, but only for people who purchased after 1 January, not after the Vista announce date". This quote from the NetGear PR folk in response to emails from APC WatchDog Moderator.

So caveat emptor! One wonders if they will support their Rangemax Next proprietary hardware when Draft-N becomes N-ratified under Vista?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

FT:

The Maxon USB modem was out before Vista was released. Why is it Telstra's fault that Maxon have not provided a Vista capable connection manager?

The staff should have known about the incompatibility but did you tell them you were using a Vista notebook when you first bought the modem or did you assume it would work? Not saying you didnt but your article didnt make this clear.

Its unreasonable to expect Telstra to stop selling the modem that works on just about any other machine out there just cause it wont play with Vista.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Vista isn't some niche enthusiast OS -- it's the OS that's coming preinstalled (for better or worse) on almost all new PCs.


29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tin:

Not to mention that it apparently works fine in Linux anyway (though not supported by Telstra), which is generally regarded as an enthusiast OS.

How backwards.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

Kind of sums it up really.

You cannot get the overpriced over-hyped communications network, your forced to use, to communicate with the operating system you didn't really want PreLoaded onto that new notebook.

Looks like Telstra AND Microsoft need to take a long hard look at the needs of all those day to day consumers.

Those who are a little more savvy in their purchasing know they can, at least for time being, avoid Vista by avoiding purchase from the discount emporiums and looking at other options. Dell for one has recognised a continued demand for XP.

As for NextG wireless, I'd say most would be hard pressed to justify the prices and the risks of massive cost over-runs, that if you are one of the lucky few in an area with reception that lives up to the wild claims.

Don't be bullied by these companies take your spending elsewhere.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

The Elite Geek:

It's not a problem that the hardware doesn't work on Vista, the real problem is Bigpond shouldn't work on Vista.
Until that bug is fixed, the much smaller problem of the NextG modem not being Vista capable is .. well not worth worrying about.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

robertatascot:

Let us see how Telstra responds to this problem now they know about this incompatibility issue. The Telstra Next G Turbo Modem data card issue probably wont get fixed so that we cant annoy Sol with our complaints against Telstra. Also worth noting is that Bluetooth is not fully compatible either.....the release of Vista gives Microsoft the opportunity to negotiate with individual hardware manufacturers to make offical Vista compatible products....an elitism. Sorry Telstra you have missed the boat, maybe it could negotiate a better deal with microsoft and pay out a fortune in royalities for being "exclusive". The consumer remain as we are, shorn like sheep.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bob Pascoe:

Yeah - I have the same problem. Moved the Maxon Next-G USB modem from my XP-based tablet to a Vista-based laptop & (a) it wouldn't connect, and (b) when I deleted and tried a re-install it won't recognise the drivers.

The call centre front-level guys made a valiant attempt to get it all up (and many thanks for their persistence, though I think it considerably dropped their calls-per-hour rate), but when they failed and escalated the problem, the back-office guys said essentially that it was my fault as "... it worked on the old system so I should get someone who knows about IT to see what's wrong with the new one."

And - by the way - I have just retired as a Professor of Computer Science; admittedly I am not very familiar with Vista, but I wonder how the majority of Telstra customers would cope? I am getting in to pulling the .inf files &c apart, and hopefully will eventually find a solution.

And - yes - on the earlier comments, to suggest that it is not signifiant because it's only Vista is, well - only one word - silly. Telstra is selling this device for the currently marketted MS system.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hiccup:

I have had no issues with these devices under Vista as long as you use the new client availabe on Bigponds website. The client that ships with it does not work under Vista unless you turn of UAC, which inveraibly effects other applications. Though persoanlly i would not touch one of these as they are just to damn expensinve to run..oh and not to mention the fact that its a telstra product:)

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bob:

So who's responsibility is it to check compatability of any device (be it a modem, printer or camera) to a computer running Vista?? I think those of you who are rubbishing Telstra staff need to take a look at yourselves and do a bit of research!!!

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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