The era of the PC is over: why Apple is beating Microsoft

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Danny Gorog06 July 2007, 6:34 AM

COMMENT |Bill Gates still believes that tablet PCs will take over the world and that the Zune will rival the iPod. It's time for a reality check in Microsoft HQ.


Hi I'm a Mac: and I'm a PC.Hi I'm a Mac: and I'm a PC.

COMMENT | The recent joint interview with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates at D5 highlighted for me what makes Apple a great company, and why Microsoft continues to struggle on all fronts except Windows and Office.

Both leaders are visionaries, that is for sure. In fact Gates built the first software company when nobody knew what a software company was, and subsequently conquered the market. His approach to selling DOS and then Windows to anybody that would buy it made sense in the early days. But he was lucky as well. Lucky that Apple didn't pursue the same 'license the OS' strategy, because if it had there's no doubt that Apple would have a larger share of the PC market than the 5% it now enjoys.

But like Steve said at D5, the era of the PC is largely over. Most innovation now is happening on what he calls post-PC devices, like music players and mobile phones. And that is what Apple is focusing on.

Microsoft, however, still doesn't get it and I believe the lack of understanding comes from the top. Gates still maintains that tablet PCs are going to take over the world, that Microsoft will eventually dethrone Google to be the new leader in search, that Zune will eventually rival the iPod for market share and that Microsoft has already conquered the smart phone market. Somebody please tell the man he is dreaming.

Let's take search as an example. There seems to be market consensus that Microsoft has to be, or is expected to compete in search. Why? What core strengths does Microsoft have that gives it the ability to compete in search? If you ask 'what are Microsoft's core competencies?', the answer is surely writing desktop software (and of course it's arguable whether they are actually good at that, or just good at marketing it). It's not search. And I don't think it ever will be. Microsoft needs to ask itself what value they can add, apart from being a competitor preventing Google from getting lazy.

Microsoft has a lot of money so the market expects them to compete in all areas but I don't think it's a winning strategy. Throwing money at a technology problem often leads to an inferior solution, and that's precisely why Apple's approach to developing products makes more sense.

Apple knows that its core strength is writing and designing software and wrapping it in sleek (but nowadays relatively generic) hardware. If Apple wanted it could also throw money into areas like search and gaming but Jobs is more disciplined then that.

Microsoft's approach is to add everything to a product - throw it all in and let the consumer work out what they want. Its business philosophy seems to follow the same path: let's do everything badly and hopefully something will be a winner.

Apple knows what to leave out - and that's where the skill is. That's why more and more consumers are choosing Apple.

When I think about the iPhone and compare it to Windows Mobile the difference is chalk and cheese. Windows Mobile is a sloppy product. No matter which way you slice it, it's still a complete disgrace.

The 'innovation' over the years from Windows CE to version 5 and 6 leaves a lot to be desired. With Windows Mobile innovation is often little more than a new desktop pattern or a new 'theme'. It's pathetic. It still takes far too many clicks to do the simplest thing like sending an SMS.

I think it's lucky that the market for phones is so fragmented and that consumers haven't been forced into buying smartphones yet. That's why Microsoft doesn't have nearly the clout it holds in the PC industry - most people don't need a smart phone. A simple Nokia or Sony Ericsson does the job for most people.

With the release of the iPhone, Apple is literally changing the industry. The difference is like moving from text based input system (like DOS) to a graphical user interface. But this time around consumers are more wary of simply accepting Microsoft's answer, and so the Windows lock-in that the PC industry takes for granted doesn't apply.

Consumer electronics are already too complicated and consumers know it. Post-PC devices need to be tightly integrated, and at the moment, the only company that does this, and does it well is Apple.


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lol @ u:

i have never seen a more biased reporting im my life

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Geekboy:

It's called a blog, numbnuts.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

wkeving:

truth, and a well reasoned opinion that differs from your own, does not equal bias

but I guess it's easier to throw accusation without substance or any supporting evidence than to open your mind and consider the possibility that maybe, just maybe, you were wrong

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jrbrewin:

"so the Windows lock-in that the PC industry takes for granted doesn't apply. "

in this instance, you get an apple lock in instead. how is that any better - other than you and steve jobs say it is?

i don't want anyone's hands in my pocket, not bill's, not steve's - so please don't pretend one is better than the other.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tony:

It would appear that Apple are on the ascendency. What is really telling is that Windows is losing ground with developers.

Also, businesses are fed up with the closed nature of Windows and are increasingly demanding open standards. While Microsoft is attempting to create its own open standards it is also, yet again, trying to take everything for itself.

This time it wants the Internet all to itself, as evidenced by PNRP, HD photo etc which it has introduced in Vista. Businesses though won't like PNRP one bit - not least of which due to security issues.

So, hooray to Apple for bringing ActiveX-free Safari to Windows. It should be a lot faster than Firefox which I'm using now. Now if only the Firefox Add-ons would work with Safari!



29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

lantz:

Apple brought Safari to Windows for one thing, the iPhone. This will help the Windows developers with iPhone support. Everything else will just fall in place as its marketshare increases. It's amazing how Safari in beta on Windows happens to be the most CSS compliant browser. Read about the Acid Test at Wikipedia.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

LOL INTERNETS!!!:

"It still takes far too many clicks to do the simplest thing like sending an SMS."

The primary critisism of the iphone from this very website has been the complication and number of clicks required to make a simple phone call. Chalk and cheese indeed.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

pierre:

Not at all. Just leave the phone on your Favorites. When you turn it on, wipe the slider and here is the list again: just one tap and you're calling your buddy. I have never used a phone that was so speedy and easy. No need to remember any quick-dial number. You can add/remove/rearrange your Favorites in no time. Try to do that with any smartphone...

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Geek:

you can do all the same with Windows
Favorites, one click call and so on.


29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tin:

I thought with the iPhone released we'd see less drivel from Danny G on APC's site.

Mac users always seem to have this need to re-assure themselves that they haven't bought an overpriced piece of junk.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

danieleran:

Windows Enthusiasts are now realizing that it's their turn to reassure themselves that their Windows Mobile phone isn't a joke, that the Xbox isn't a hardware disaster with a 30% failure rate, and that Vista isn't a huge disappointment.

Meanwhile, Apple is delivering the iPhone to a majority of iPod users while also delivering the next generation of Mac OS X--after the current version from well over two years ago continues to embarrass Vista.




29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymac:

feel no fear for us : i'm using macintoch for over 15 years and one thing that never came in doubt is its usefullness . (It was a family computer)

And today, i do know advanced my system is, and how i'm conforted in the choice !

Let me turn you the question back .

Do you need to re-assure yourself about one's hypothetic piece of junk ?

feel free about it !

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous2:

"Mac users always seem to have this need to re-assure themselves that they haven't bought an overpriced piece of junk."

Thank goodness that when we purchase our PCs we don't have to wonder about anything, huh? You KNOW you bought an overpriced piece of JUNK! YAY! oh, wait a second... crap.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

u752181:

The usual biased opinion piece by Danny.

Danny, label it opinion and you can say what you like. Put in on the news page and we expect professional journalism. This doesn't come close.

We get it. Really we do. You like Apple and don't like Microsoft. I'm happy for you but that doesn't make this news, let alone accurate or fact based. It is your opinion and I respect that but don't call it news.




29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Richard:

For crying out loud, this is an opinion piece! The author is under no journalistic requirement to be fair. This isn't straight news reporting, it's an editorial.

The only requirement of an opinion piece is to have a few facts to buttress your arguments, even if those same facts can be used by another editorialist to reach a radically different conclusion. (Although Bill O'Reilly almost never uses facts to support his conclusions, but that's a post for another forum).

So this isn't the place where you accuse the author of being biased and unfair. This is the place where you make counter arguments, and bring up facts or interpretations that he might have missed.

In other words, you present your opinions, so that readers can judge, based on the strength of your arguments.

Oh. And you don't have to be unbiased. Just persuasive.

Sheesh!

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

McBanjo:

Yeah, Windows Mobile is a disgrace. But I can still do what I want, on what I bought. I can write my own software, use emulators and play games.

With Apple you just get what your given. The 'iPhone' doesn't even edit Word or Excel files. I don't really like being treated like a baby and just because Apple doesn't include vital features in their products does not mean that they are revolutionising the industry!

Apple just markets all this garbage in your face, and the advertising price premium is handed over to you, suckers!

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Geekboy:

You have to remember that the iPhone is only the very first version. It's not quite perfect, but it's a lot more capable than the first generation of Windows Mobile phones. I'm also willing to bet that Apple will upgrade the OS at some point in the not-so-distant future.

Incidentally, I don't own an iPhone or even an iPod, but I have been impressed by the generally positive reviews of the iPhone.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dechah:

You also just described the Microsoft Zune

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Gaius Julius Caesar Germanicus:

You see, the Zune didn't sell over half a million units the first day it went on sale.

I'm not even sure it's sold a half a million units by NOW.

I love the way you 'Softies keep trying to compare Apple's to Lemons.



29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jrbrewin:

zune has sold well over a million zunes by now. If you'd check out news other than what steve jobs feeds you, you'd know that before making such an illinformed comment.

and the comparison to zune was that people are very quick to say that product x may be poor today, but not tomorrow after revisions and updates, but don't heed their own words for microsoft products. It's a common fact that all first versions of microsoft products suck, pretty much, and zune is by no means exlcuded.

also by the same token, your comment about iphone being better than early versions of windows mobile is pointless, and can be applied to many other products. e.g. zune beats ipod gen 1... well done. the fact that it beats the latest gen ipods (excluding iphone, obviously) in terms of software is neither here nor there. People who've had the joy of using a zune, or the disatisfaction of using an ipod will tell you how nice microsoft's device actually is when compared to other hdd based jukeboxes.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

I don't get it ... how many people actually need to edit Word and Excel files on their mobile phone?!


29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

D9:

Exactly!

And how easy can that possibly be using 4cm keys while viewed on a 2" screen?!

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

veggiedude:

My thoughts exactly. Use your PC to edit Word and Excell files!! What next? You can't edit the YouTube video's??

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

techagnostic:

What most tech oriented people still cannot fathom is that computing devices are for the masses not just people with tech backgrounds.
The world is full of everyday people doing and wanting everyday activities. Technology savvy people maybe just need to get out more and understand that the world is larger than their own self-imposed microcosm. Some people like tinkering with devices but most people do not.
Some people enjoy modifying cars. Most just want to drive them and often don't even want to to drive at all but see it as a tool for geting from a to b.

Apple try design products with the average consumer in mind.
If you do like tinkering and want total control and flexibility use and contribute to Linux an open source - great, go nuts.
Microsoft often doesn't seem understand who the average consumer is.

Danny's article is a valid observation with a title to merely gather attention.







29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

Dan you have to take the big picture look at this! Don't you see just how essential all this guff is?

After eagerly paying way too much to receive Foxtel on your handset, and having come to the bitter realisation there is nothing worth watching, from the full glory of your shiny new two and a half inch screen, you need ways to justify those 24 monthly payments.

Desperate to justify your need to carry an over priced handset the size of a shoe, you need to quickly find uses for the thing!
And what better way to impress the passers-by and fellow commuters in Sydneys twice daily traffic gridlock than to update that spreadsheet that lists the contents of your shoe tree?

Who indeed needs this stuff, I-Phone, Next-G wireless broadband, things tham make your ear flash blue at second intervals all available at exorbitant pricing. Has anyone taken the four seconds to determine whether they actually need all this stuff?

The Don Addams character Maxwell Smart and that famed shoe phone are to blame, For decades now we have been seeing technology shoved where it simply doesn't belong because some manufacturer knew they could!

I-Phone what can I say but underwhelmed!

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Raindog wrote:

"And what better way to impress the passers-by and fellow commuters in Sydneys twice daily traffic gridlock than to update that spreadsheet that lists the contents of your shoe tree?"

ROFL!!!!



29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Martin:

raindog

It's a little known fact that initially Apple wanted to market the iPhone as the "iBrick" but it just didn't seem to encapsulate the concept succinctly enough ...

Personally, I don't own any Apple products (I guess I'm just not "hip" enough) but seem to muddle along with my other alternatives just fine. While I don't have a problem with Apple (or it's products) per se, frankly I'm over anything with an "i" or "e" in front of it.

Go to YouTube and look for MadTV's "iRack" sketch, which cleverly juxtaposes Apple's marketing strategy with the Iraq qaugmire.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dave:

Then you need to use something like Google web based office products. It has pros and cons but I guess it will be good enough for majority of average people plus that apple can earn good money by redirecting people to say google web based tools. The only looser seems to be Microsoft because people who use say google product will not be tied to microsoft.
Maybe apple will open up API’s some days but since then I guess people will see the direction apple is showing to them which can benefit their mac business too.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

McBanjo:

I was merely mentioning the Word and Excel editing as an example of how Apple deceives the consumer.

Having run through the iPhone announcement and launch with a fine toothed comb, I believed that word and excel was supported. But alas, it only reads the files.

Again, Apple is not revolutionising the industry by NOT including features people may find impractical. They are simply not including features for whatever reason.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

John Davis:

McBanjo, why on Earth would you want to edit Word and Excel files on an iPhone?

And who uses those applications anyway?

Word used to be good - way back at version 4 or so. Word and Excel are exactly as Danny describes MS products. Throw everything in and let the user figure it out.

I'm in total agreement with Danny's article. Whether you want to believe what he writes or not, the proof is before your eyes. Gates is dreaming. MS is dead.

John Davis

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Spiny Norman:

You reeally sound like a Micros**t user - the true suckers who are still paying through the nose for 3rd rate software from a company whose boss could erase all world hunger tomorrow.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

James:

Apple doesn't let me build my own box, "write my own software", or just do whatever I want. Well in the case of the iPhone there's several reasons for that:

1) Apple just wants it to work and that's what the vast majority of uses want too. Most people are tired devices overflowing with options that require a 100 page manual, difficult to use, and unreliable to boot. This is why Apple has been so successful, because they get it down to the core features that are used 90% of the time and makes their use simple and reliable. Nothing dumb about that.

2) The iPhone is first generation and they wanted it to work right out of the box; then add features without breaking it. More features will come when they are ready.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Atomac:

Is the iPhone a smart phone? Are Apple really pitching it against things like Windows CE. Certainly pundits are but I see the iPhone as being a high-end, well featured, consumer phone.

Realistically how can you support your arguments about Apple's marketing (a few press releases) and "over priced rubbish" (poster above)?

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

HG:

The majority of smart phone users are not going to be editing documents on cramped keyboards. That's not that smart a use of a phone.

The iPhone hits the sweet spot with converting information into action. I can convert Google map results into contacts. The whole world wide web is available to me in this elegant compact device as never before. I expect more refinement of conversion of information into action. I wouldn't be surprised to see the abililty to hear music streamed from an internet radio source and be able to buy it buy it on iTunes. That will instant gratification for music lovers and the music industry.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

roger:

Why on earth would anyone want to edit a Word or Excel file on a cellphone? And even if you could, what templates would the cellphone support? What font suites? If you deleted a page, would it repaginate? Could you delete a row in a table?

What's the point?

The problem I see with the Smartphone is that it tries to be everything to everybody when most people could care less ab out 90% of its functionality.

The Razr is a perfect example of a winner product that was supposed to fail because its feature set wasn't as rich as the competition's. In fact, the Razr project would have never been released if its development group hadn't sidestepped senior management (they though it would fail because it didn't have enough features, then killed the project) and demonstrated it to Motorola customers behind management's back. When their customers went wild, Management of course un-killed the project, then tried to take the credit, but that's another story for another time.

I'll take a simple, easy to use product that does what I want any day over the electronic version of a swiss army knife with its last-resort feature set . I don't see it as a company treating me like a baby. I see it as a talented design group trying to develop a breakthrough product, and being in product development myself, I am fascinated by Motorola's ingenuity -- and Apple's too.



29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

hurtle:

I don't understand the accusations of Apple bias with this article. What's wrong with you people? Try to step back from your hatred of all things Apple and smell the coffee.


Microsoft's dominance of the OS market represents the triumph of mediocrity - they have held back innovation for far too long with their unimaginative, bloated and buggy products.


At last, people are beginning to realise this, I honestly can't think of a current OS that isn't a vast improvement over any flavour of windows.

Any/All Linux distros, Solaris, OS X, BSD, these OSes have software engineering as a core competency and all have elements that are excellent.


Be honest, is “excellent” a word that you can use in connection with Microsoft? even amongst it’s supporters, the consensus always was that windows is “good enough”.


Well for some of us, it has never been good enough and increasingly - people are starting to realise that they don’t have to put up with this cr*p any longer.


Peace


29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tin:

Your the first person to even mention alternatives that actually aim to keep things working 100%.

The article IS biased. It's what Mac users do. They keep telling themselves how good Macs are because Windows is unstable. They neglect to notice how useless MacOS is and that there are other options than just Windows out there (you can even buy a PC without an OS! Freaky.)

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Thor:

When you make claims like "they neglect to notice how useless MacOS is" you say a heck of a lot more about your own biases than any biases of the article.

Such condescension! It couldn't possibly be that one reason so many Mac users are happy is that they are far more PRODUCTIVE on the Mac than on a Windows PC. No, they are just stupid people who don't know what's good for them.

Windows is so dominant that everyone gets exposed to it. Mac users and Linux users, in general, have made a conscious decision to not use Windows because they prefer the alternative. Windows users, in general, don't have a lot of experience using a Mac or Linux. Yet, in your twisted version of the world, it is the Mac users that are naive.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Useless?:

MacOS is useless? What brand of crack do YOU smoke? I invite you to come watch my 14,000 circulation daily newspaper publish without Windows or Linux.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Atomac:

"MacOS is useless? What brand of crack do YOU smoke?"

Love it.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Terrin:

Like your not biased. Most Mac users are a more reliable source of information over most Windows users because unlike most Windows users, most Mac users also use Windows on a fairly regular basis. Accordingly, most Mac users' views are more informed. You call the Mac OS useless. That is a pretty strong verb, considering I and millions of other Mac users find uses for the Mac OS everyday. I find uses for Windows as well, as I am forced to use it almost every day. Problem is, I just don't like it. With the Mac OS, you get a fully functioning version of Unix, command line interface and all.

The problem with Microsoft is that it says it's methods are better because it incorporates partners. However, this is only if Microsoft is controlling the underlying technology that partners are using. Microsoft rarely actually partners with a company that controls its own technology such as Google. The article is right, other then a desire to make the money that Google is earning, what does Microsoft have to offer the world of search? Nothing. Apple is not afraid to use other's technology, improve it, and often share it. As I said, the Mac OS is build on Unix.




29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tin:

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Mac users seem to ignore the rest of the world, and presume anyone badmouthing their precious OS/system is a Windows user.

I'm not. I use Linux wherever possible. I love that MacOSX is BSD based. I even think MacOSX is much better than MacOS9 and older.
But I can't stand the MacOS "ways", or the way Mac users bang on like it's the best thing sinced sliced bread.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous1:

"You call the Mac OS useless. That is a pretty strong verb..."

Useless is an adjective.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

MM:

I think for a long time Apple enthusiasts were accused of being "blinkered". But the commercial success of the iPod, and now the iPhone (the sale of about 1 million iPhones in 2 days sets a new record), plus market share increases for the Macintosh platform mean that something is going on out there in user land. I agree with the blog article: Apple is creating a new platform, and Bill Gates hasn't recognised that the game is changing. Microsoft could bounce back, but it has to change its strategy. As the writer says they are concentrating on too many things, and not making anything that people would line up around the block to buy. I would suggest that people put their prejudices away for just a moment and calmly look at the tech landscape. If they come back with facts to back up their argument, then good, we have a robust discussion. But merely saying Microsoft Good, Apple Bad, does not win the argument.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bender Robot:

It's so sad that all the windoze dronez out there keep screaming about how irrelevant Apple is when year after year all Monoposoft does is copy Apple, and then claim they're "innovating", and then the dronez say Apple is irrelevant and "useless". What total hypocrasy. On the contrary, it's the other way around; dronez are the ones who are busily convincing themselves that they're the ones who aren't useless and irrelevant.

When the rubber meets the road, it's Apple who is winning, who is doing the innovating and forging the path into the future. Microsoft's products are nothing more than also-rans.

Don't believe me? Go out and get a 30GB Zune, and a 30 GB iPod; try using each for a week, and then see which one works better. That is the current state of affairs in a nutshell.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Alan Sky:

I use Microsoft & Apple products since 1988.

Both Windows NT/2000 and Nextstep/OS X are outstanding products.

But on the end-user front, Apple has always been the best UI analyst and communicator.

Microsoft was the strongest on the programmability side of things until 2000.

Since then, Microsoft has completely changed its programmability model, brought an unneeded revolution for programmers and still miss the mark for Usability.

The big divide is that developers are turning away from Microsoft and embracing web/php/javascript and other free tools that Apple is using too.

And now Apple releases better tools for this open standard development community.

This would change the market within the next 5 years at least.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

fredrik sten:

what are u pc-guys wining about, concerning iphone. I mean, its by far the most elegant handheld device made yet, insde to outside, as phone and more. and yes, the software, good now, even better soon, will be updated, and easy to do too! Update a regular smartphone, or phone mmm, nahhh, not that easy as far as I know...

yes, indeed apple is redrawing the map. yes, a new platform!

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

BC Kelly:

Once upon a time, about 1,000 years ago, the Kingdom used Roman Numerals to keep the bean count.

That system was 'good enough', but ...

As time went by, we discovered that OTHER system - you know, the one with the 'zero'.

And they all lived happily ever after.

Well, maybe, maybe not.

Seems we DO have to re-invent the wheel every so often.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

I wouldn't call it the most elegant. Vertu wins hands down.... hand-stitched leather, and Rolex like build quality....not Casio.
But if you meant that they are more sophisicated in terms of software development, I'll give you the permission to have that.

18 June 2008, 9:48 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

I wouldn't call it the most elegant. Vertu wins hands down.... hand-stitched leather, and Rolex like build quality....not Casio.
But if you meant that they are more sophisicated in terms of software development, I'll give you the permission to have that.

18 June 2008, 9:55 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Shoeman:

"I don't understand the accusations of Apple bias with this article."

Maybe the title of the article gave it away. What exactly is Apple "beating" Microsoft at????

I am a Mac user. But you Sir, and the person who wrote this article are simply mindless fanboys..

Apple has 5% of the PC market. Microsoft has over 90%.... We're kicking their asses aren't we!!!!!



29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

"What exactly is Apple "beating" Microsoft at?"

Innovation in the post-PC era.



29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Danny Gorog:

If I give you $1000 whose shares would you buy. Microsoft or Apple?

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

UncleToot:

Most of the responses to any article on Microsoft vs Apple come down to "I hate Microsoft" or "I hate Apple". Not too useful.
Both companies have made it into popular view with products that people want. Different people want different products for whatever reason. That doesn't make all other products and services junk, although thoughtful readers might be excused for thinking so after reading these reviews. This is demonstratively false.
I use both PCs (IBM Thinkpads, family owns and uses four of them, various models and ages, along with two HP desktops) and Apples (Macbook pro and Powerbook G5 portables along with two Imacs). I use the machine that addresses my requirement at the time for the easiest and fastest for each thing I do on a computer. Both makes are effective and both are very high quality products. All have been trouble free.

After many years as a PC user my wife now wants a Macbook! I will get her one and she will be happy with it. That fact won't render all the other computing devices un-usable. Lets all get over it. Use the one that gets you what you like or want. Don't bash the other camp so you look like you made the only right choice.

Real simple!

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Edward Ayres:

This is not reporting; it's an opinion piece so the author is stating his opinion.

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cochon:

if someone was talking trash about you online, do you think that steve jobs or bill gates would come to your rescue, defending you with as much vigor as you defend their products?

have you ever stopped for one minute and asked yourself why you care so much about this inane mac vs. pc, pc vs. mac battle? why? why do you care?

all you haters are a bunch of suckers, giving yourself hypertension for absolutely nothing.

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ChrisG:

I agree Danny.
The M$ luddites who, like the dinosaurs can't see what's coming have vented their displeasure here & anywhere else on the web that anyone dares to air such views.

Thanks man.
Chris

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rick-ms:

The plain reality of the situation is that M$ has a core business that makes money hand over fist. Instead of going "wow, look at that bright shiny object" they need to concentrate on their core business (Windows and Office). Maybe instead of focusing, and here is the kicker, on the bright shiny object they devoted their energies into producing quality products (Windows and Office) we would not be having this discussion. But, since they have the monopoly in desktop OSs they feel the need to own/conquer every other niche and let the windows and office get by but being 'it's good enough'. But it isn't good enough, not any more...

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Thej:

For the first time in Microsoft's history, they have to face not one but at least two (Apple and Google) very inovative companies that they can't afford to BUY. In the past MS has been able to kill off the inovative competition by either anouncing vapourware or buying them outright. MS can not compete with inovation because their corporate curture and strategy doesn't know how to deal with it.

As for MS's core competencies; Buyouts, Litigation, FUD, Vapourware, Embrace and Extend... Where's the product !?!

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jltnol:

ok I’ll admint it.. I AM biased... in favor of Apple. I’ve been a Mac user since my first comptuer. I’ve dabbled with Windows, and stil have a copy somewhere that I launch every now and then as well. I freely admint it.. I AM biased toward Apple.

Now, it’s your turn.

Go ahead... say that you’ve used MS producst all your life.. say you’ve at least owned or used a Mac in the last 5 years, and then admint that your biased as well toward MS.

If his take in the blog was the opposite, that MS was the best, would you be claiming bias then?

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Kirk:

I will go further. I am the CEO of a telecom company that does high speed wireless internet systems. We must use all platforms and support all platforms. My background is in programming and TCP/IP networking (all types of OSes).

People who use Macs and Windows regularly almost ALWAYS pick the Mac as their preferred platform. I have a policy that our employees can have the computer they choose for their work. Every employee I have has a Mac. We have Windows on the network for support troubleshooting. But we do not use it for any internal tasks. Even though the only way to reach the PCs from outside the firewall is through terminal server, the PCs have all been infected by malware. The Macs, desktops, servers, and laptops have never been infected.

If I think my Lexus LS 430 is of higher quality than a Buick LeSabre is that bias? It is an objective fact.

If you think Apple is more computer competent than Microsoft, this is also an objective fact. Apple has shaped most of the computer experience in the last 30 years. Microsoft has brought nothing to the industry other than using money to muscle bad products into a relatively naive computer market.

Markets grow up. Sorry VHS, sorry Windows.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AMG:

If you think something is better then that, by definition makes is subjective. Our '04 Regal GS is the nicest car we've ever owned - supercharged V6, heated leather buckets, dual electronic climate control, sunroof, power everything, comfortable, and quiet; yes Virginia - Lexus quiet. We got it fully loaded for a tick under 26-grand and we know our check went to Detroit, not Japan. So my subjective opinion says that value-wise, our Buick is better than a Lexus. But then again, I'm only a IT Director, not a CEO, so budget constraints come into play.

My subjective opinion and budget constraints also dictate that I use a Macintosh. I deal with Windows' problems all day long, so when I go to my office or come home I just want a computer that works. I don't pirate my software, which many in the Windows community do, and I don't condone the few in the Mac community that do as well. I want a computer that works out of the box without the need of purchasing extra software (anti-virus/spyware/malware, etc...). I also need the peace of mind of knowing when I buy a Mac I will get at least five years of front-line production use out of it. Hell, my main "field" machine is a seven year old Pismo.

So in my subjective opinion, do I think Apple makes a superior, more reliable, more cost effective product? I certainly do.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Phil :

Have all you Apple fans including Danny forgot about a successful product from Microsoft called Xbox?

Agreed, Gates was lucky that Apple didn't follow him. But the world is lucky IBM didn't do the selfish (but smart) thing and lock up the PC for itself like Apple did.

Smartphones are still a niche product. Australian reviewers raving on about the iPhone are just falling for the hype, and should wait until they can actually use one in Australia before calling it revolutionary.

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Gaius Julius Caesar Germanicus:

Phil's comments seem to neglect one salient point :

First, the xBox 360 is sold AT A LOSS, so the profit is purely in licensing software. The iPhone, on the other hand, has at least a 50% profit margin PLUS a "piece of the pie" from AT&T on a monthly basis, so much potential revenue that Apple has decided to "smooth the hump" by spreading that revenue over the first two years following an iPhone activation.

Second, in case he hasn't been paying attention to the news recently, the xBox 360 is SO full of hardware errors (bad thermal profiling, components with MTBF far reduced due to that thermal profiling, or perhaps lack thereof) that Microsoft has NOW had to set aside over 1 BILLION dollars to extend xBox warranties to 3 years just to avoid a nasty lawsuit.

So, as you see, comparing these two products as a way of comparing the companies IS apropos to a degree, just not in the way ole Phil would have liked to have it interpreted.

BTW, I have an iPhone, and it's the easiest to use smart phone I have ever seen, I never even had to crack the manual and I've learned to use almost all but the most obscure functions. Confronted with similar functionality from Palm and RIMM, I found the iPhones to be accessible, where the others were comparatively deeply obscure and modal.

And that's a major selling point for people who want a device they can use without having to read the manual and one or two Dummies guides to figure out how to use.

Gaius Germanicus AVG
SPQR


29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Phil:

Yes your right Gaius, Xbox is sold at a loss, but that is the nature of the console business. Do you have a clever rebuff on the fact that Apple is not making money on iTunes?

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zaxzan:

That would be facile, like say -
The Holden vs Ford, Melbourne vs Sydney, ARL vs AFL ... etc.

Microsoft bad vs Apple good, is about a state of mind, that involves a large part of our every day lives, work rest and play.

It's all about how your family and friends influence you initially and the power of advertising that gets you to place your feet firmly in one camp or another, and generally you will stay in that world comfortable with what you know, even if it is at your detriment.

This some what blinkered and parochial thinking is redundant in a modern age, it is time to explore and embrace the Apple philosophy, an excellent operating system that is easy, effortless and painless.

Windows users seem to forget that most Mac users are ALSO Windows users. We are fluent in BOTH Operating Systems, mainly due to the work environment. Yet the overwhelming majority of Windows users have no true experience of the Apple ethos.

Their knowledge of Apple seems to be based around the dogma expressed in the late Eighties and the Nineties by journalist and other writers who were and still are pursuing an occupational or commercial activity of indoctrination. The FUD spread was on a significant scale, as Microsoft and IBM were the dominant companies of the coding world. This led to Apple continuously being ostracized in the personal computer realm.

BUT ...

The times are a changing with the advent of the internet and peoples freedom to express themselves through posts like this and the now numerous and popular blogging community, this new century has enabled personal computer users, old, new and future ones alike to educate themselves about the facts. Paid editorial voices are not as powerful as they once were.

Apple is on the up, and on the up big time, this is based on a myriad of factors - Steve Jobs, Intel chips, OSX, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone to name a few, all of these though are built upon the foundation that the end user is the kingpin.

There is an enlightened philosophy at Apple, apropos the ecology, culture, sophistication and lifestyle in respect to personal computers. At the heart of their software and hardware lies a paragon of powerful, innovative, intelligible and Urbane design.

For sure, Apple do not always get it right, who does? but they are damn close most of the time.
Apple Mac users are best placed to make evaluative critiques of both systems. The majority of Apple Mac users care and are adherents of the OS X system, we have and will continue to criticize and lambast Apple when and if necessary - our passion is to keep the foundations of innovation, design and excellence solid and uncompromising.

Personally, I believe in a rational and credible Microsoft and any other developer of software / hardware, as it encourages healthy competition which creates innovation and that pushes us forward towards greater things.

Ok, some generalizations and hyperbole complete with a bit of nerdy-nirvana-ness

... so sue me.

Besides, Apple Macs sold in the shops today will run just about any operating system.
Give it a go.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Concerned:

Danny, it seems the vast majority of your articles are simply Microsoft bashing pieces with self-assurances that your love for Apple is justified.
Whilst I'm sure it is impossible for any journalist to remain completely objective, the level of bias in your articles just demonstrates poor journalism.
When I read an article from APC, I expect to be informed, not drowned in opinion. People expect a level of professionalism from a magazine like APC, even in its Blogs. Your articles are undermining that professionalism.

I am truly interested in and curious about Apple as a company, and the products offered by Apple.

I am glad that APC has decided to introduce a person who will regularly report on Apple activities.
However, I do not which to have to finely sift through a haystack of bias just to find the newsworthy needle.

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Snafu:

"...But he was lucky as well. Lucky that Apple didn't pursue the same 'license the OS' strategy, because if it had there's no doubt that Apple would have a larger share of the PC market than the 5% it now enjoys..."


Actually, in the early days Microsoft URGED Apple to license its OS, to no avail (seeing how nice Ms Word resulted on Mac OS, probably they saw it as the natural platform to develop their app suites on).

You know: Gates can be overgeeky and get too enthusiastic about tech for tech's sake, but Jobs has his Naked Emperor moments, too: I am watching reactions to the Leopard beta and the WWDC news at the forums, and what I see is lots of misjudged features and a severe case of really unexpected Aero-envy. Just the Stack replacing clasic-style docked folder menuing is going to destroy every pro's workflow that depends on being able to do fast deep submenuing in structured project folder hierarchies. Stacks are a good addition, not a good substitution, just like most new features Apple introduces in each OS release, let's not talk about hardware design, Apple and their oh so pretty function and ergonomics disasters, down to the Mac Pro switch button (I have just bought one. I've been using Apple products since the Apple IIe years, so I guess I've become inmune to the RDF).

Apple performs brilliantly as of late (even if, while looking like a swan, under the waterline you see its ugly ducky legs pedalling, the same disfunctionalities still around), but It shows the vices of your typical brand-is-everything company: the brand is far more polished than the product ever is. Impressing they do, a lot, but convincing is rather spotty.

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Kevin:

1.) Mac marketshare is way over 5% now. Also, the oft quoted 5% is only in sales marketshare. Far more than 5% of computer users use Macs, primarily because Macs don't flake out nearly as much and they last much longer than PCs. The marketshare numbers include a lot of sales to business that really aren't used as personal computers at all, just terminals. e.g. to run a cash drawer. You wouldn't buy a nice PC for that, and you certainly wouldn't need a Mac for such mundane purposes. Mac users on the 'net, even years ago, were more like 10-20%. Mac marketshare numbers are much higher than they were a few years ago.

2.) MS didn't exactly URGE Apple to do anything. Gates claims this, but only to make it sound like the PCs of that era were comparable to Macs. They weren't. There is no way that a PC in the 80's could possibly handle the graphics needed for Mac OS at that time. The PCs of the 80's couldn't even run windows. The processors couldn't even ADDRESS more than 640k. Macs at the time were slow and primitive compared to today, but they had none of these limitations. The motorola processors SKUNKED anytihng from Intel at that time. Intel eventually passed these processors, but it took years of development and millions of dollars that were not put into the motorola and later PPC chips. (They were still great chips for many things, such as the XBOX 360, etc... but not for the laptop market, in which APPLE is now doing so very well.

3.) Aero envy? You have to be kidding.

4.) No one is saying that Microsoft has ever done anything impressive, unless you really admire the shady business practices they invented and continue to use.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Brian:

If you ask me, this article nailed the current state of the computer industry.

Who looked nervous in that Mossberg interview? Hint--it wasn't Steve Jobs.

I did buy the stock, I am biased, but I have used ALL versions of Windoze, back to Windoze 286 and they all make me laugh outloud at the ridiculous way in which they approach a very very BAD rip-off of Macintosh.

It's as if Microsoft never bothered to ask a regular person what they wanted.

People everywhere are waking up. It's certainly a GREAT time to be a person so 'biased' in favor of Apple--and owning the stock to boot! How is your MS stock doing, wintards? Funny how Vista came out, with all it's 'WOW' (certainly HYPED is the word there, nothing like the plain and simple DEMOS that Apple does for it's iPhone). Too bad the MSFT stock is just SITTING THERE LANGUSHING even after all this 'Wow' that is VISTA.

Even the most jaded Apple haters agree that Vista is a total disgrace.

Game over. Apple wants it's marketshare back.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dman762000:

One question. How much did el Jobo pay you for this report? Can you say apple fan boy? Seriously, this has got to be the worst example of bias I have ever seen, for one thing most of your "facts" about MS are completely off, Gates doesn't even have that much to do with running the company anymore, and I hate to tell you but the Zune is gaining market share, Live search is also getting more popular, I mean do a little research before you open your mouth.

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Danny:

I'm interested to know why you think Zune is gaining market share? Have they sold 1 Million units as they said they would (here's a hint: if they had they would have announced it by now, but I'm guessing they haven't)?

What about the $1 billion dollar charge Microsoft is taking for Xbox? That works out at about $85/unit so far. Sounds like it's doing really well.

And Live search, don't even get me started. Does ANYBODY including Window users actually use it?

Microsoft should either put the money into other investments or give it back to shareholders, instead of wasting it away developing second rate products.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Phil:

Danny, are you trying to change the subject? I thought this article was about product innovation, not about products with the least faults, or company profits, which Microsoft clearly leads (yes, on both items). People want the Xbox, calling it a sales failure is ridiculous.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Danny:

Would you call the Zune innovative?

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC administrator:

It so was! They innovated wireless sharing into an iPod-type device so I can go to the barndance or social or whatever and beam songs to my friends, who could then play it three times over three days or whichever came first, even if the song wasn't copyright or DRM-protected to begin with. If I then want to buy the song, I don't need to bother with using the inbuilt WiFi in the device itself; I can just go to my PC, plug in the Zune, download the temporary track, then buy the digital rights to the track, then resync with my Zune... it's so easy and innovative!!

PLUS, it comes in brown and pink. 



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Tak:

"PLUS, it comes in brown and pink."


Most assholes do.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jp:

Apple has ALWAYS beaten Microsoft. It's anti-Apple bigotry and ignorance in the press that's been the deciding factor.

We're finally seeing some reality shine through and that scares some folks...

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

nabes:

All of this is making me embarrassed to be person.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Michael:

Too many in the media really get a woody one discussing some new gadget, and the reporting really goes overboard.... when most people really don't care- not like the media would have you believe.

How many people have PCs and how many PCs will continue to be sold? *Many*. How many people will ever own an iPhone? Or, even really want one? Not nearly as many as the hyper hype would have you believe.


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Llib Setag:

iPod : Music Library in your pocket.
iTunes Store software : Apple's ease of use in your pocket AND infront of WINDOWS USERS.

iPod "halo effect" : Now that PC people have experienced iPod / iTunes & iTunes Store on their non-Apple computers with great joy...let's go see more about iPods & while your at the Apple retail store, check out all the Apple Mac studd as well...

BRILLANT! Trojen horse 1.0 for PC "Switchers" & expanding the Apple brand in the eyes of the public.

Mac Mini : OSX in a small low cost computer that works with your existing PC monitor, keyboard & mouse... Trojen horse 2.0

iPhone : Trojen horse 3.0 "Mac OSX in your pocket".

Everyone has a cellphone, so using the "phone" as a marketing tool to generate buzz & sales, while slipping the Mac OSX Mobile with Safari/Spotlight/iTunes/iPhoto/Cover Flow in behind it with a cool multi-touch GUI...

Genius!
Public already uses cellphone & iPods in a huge amount, leverage this to expand Apple Inc's presense, Apple Brand & Mac OSX market share even further into PC territory.

Rumors have been circulating about Mac "nano" micro computer for awhile, I think Steve Jobs pulled a fast one & slipped it into the back door with the iPhone ("it's a phone, it's a video iPod, it's an Internet device...")

Mac OSX 10.5 Leopard is coming very soon & iPhone can easily be updated via internet / iTunes sync...what's in store? I think Leopard will open the "black box" within iPhone to reveal even more powerful surprises that are still up Steve Jobs sleeves...


29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous1:

Where do all you people come from?



29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mark:

"Microsoft continues to struggle on all fronts except Windows and Office.".

So apart from having the core Operating System and the major day to day business apps market wrapped up Microsoft are hopeless. And Apple has umm, the iPod market cornered. Gee, guess Microsoft is quaking in their boots right now!


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Steve W:

Ross Perot built the first software company. Give credit where credit is due.

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