The future of Linux: what it means for Wikipedia

Angus Kidman30 January 2008, 7:47 AM

With 2,000 lines of code being added every single day, any lingering suggestion that Linux might suffer from a lack of support is clearly insane. But what lessons can the open-source OS teach its somewhat younger encyclopaedic cousin, Wikipedia?


linux.conf.au 2008, Melbourne | With 2,000 lines of code being added every single day, any lingering suggestion that Linux might suffer from a lack of support is clearly insane. But what lessons can the open-source OS teach its somewhat younger encyclopaedic cousin, Wikipedia?

In his customary linux.conf.au Kernel Report on the state of play in the Linux kernel, LWN.net co-founder and kernel contributor Jonathan Corbet gave an upbeat assessment of Linux's future.

The current kernel development model in which a large volume of patches are added (creating what Corbet described repeatedly as "API breakages and all that other good stuff"), followed by a feature freeze and intensive debugging until stability is achieved, appears to have proved productive after a few hiccups. "It took a few releases to really get that discipline into place," Corbet said.

Kernel release 2.6.24 came out on January 24, just before linux.conf.au began. Corbet estimates 2.6.25 will be finalised sometime around April.

That rapid cycle represents an astonishing volume of new code. "We are adding about 2000 lines of code to the kernel every single day of the year, without exception," Corbet said. "Nobody can really keep up with this [on their own] any more. It's an amazing process, and it seems to be working."

The project which those numbers immediately bring to mind is Wikipedia, which uses similar open source principles, along with an "anyone can contribute" ethos. That latter emphasis means that Wikipedia, in operation for less than half of Linux's lifespan, already has to deal with a far larger community and project base than Linux (more than 2.1 million articles on the English-language Wikipedia alone). Nonetheless, in listening to Corbet's presentation, some obvious parallels emerge.

Lesson #1: Reliance on individuals can lessen over time

It's widely assumed that voluntary projects tend to be spearheaded by a relatively small handful of hyper-enthused volunteers. That may still be the case at Wikipedia -- check the discussion page for any controversial article and it will tend be an argument between half-a-dozen highly passionate people -- but the Linux experience shows that doesn't always have to be the case.

"Ten years ago, the top 20 contributors contributed to the majority of changes that went into the kernel," Corbet noted. In 2007, however, more than 2000 individual developers offered code, and there was no clear dominance. Indeed, only eleven people contributed more than one per cent of the overall code base, while several hundred contributed a single patch. All of those patches are arguably essential, but someone getting run over by a bus clearly isn't going to stop the flow.

Lesson #2: Emphasising a single individual too much is dangerous

With that said, emphasising a single person (or group of people) as the face of a project can be risky. In the Linux community, Linus Torvalds remains the most visible personality, but excessive reliance on any individual can be tricky. "We're starting to see some 'Andrew Morton doesn't scale' issues," Corbet said (Morton helps coordinate Linux kernel contributions). "He does a lot of the integration work, and he has a hard time keeping up sometimes."

Wikipedia appears to have already absorbed that lesson, trying to reduce the emphasis on founder Jimbo Wales and regularly issuing announcements of its latest appointments.

Lesson #3: Getting spin-off projects to contribute can take time

One continuing challenge for Linux is getting people working on non-kernel projects, such as embedded systems, to contribute useful modifications back to the core kernel. "It's an ongoing problem, though I think it's getting better," Corbet said. "A lot of people aren't participating in this process, and their work isn't going into the mainstream."

Wikipedia faces a similar challenge in co-ordinating contributions from the single-topic Wikis run by its sister project Wikia. While some of these (such as the Star Wars-centred Wookipedia) have volumes of information on some topics that rival those in the central Wiki, processes to synthesise content between individual wikis are few and far between.

Lesson #4: You might need some corporate funding

The main pages of Wikipedia regularly feature exhortations to donate. While that can seem annoying at times, it's probably necessary. Wikipedia largely relies on volunteer contributions, but those can't help cover mounting server costs and the occasional legal bill.

Linux enjoys a more diverse support base (in part because big business has worked out ways of profiting from it). "The picture that people once portrayed of the kernel as the product of volunteers really isn't the case anymore," Corbet said. While the majority of kernel contributors (17%) aren't paid by an obvious employer, a large chunk are. Notable supporting corporations include Red Hat (employing people making 11% of code contributions), IBM (8%), Novell (7%), Intel (4%), Oracle (2%) and Google (1%).

Lesson #5 Persistence pays off.

Wikipedia abuse remains a popular sport, whether for perceived inaccuracies, a simple inability to understand how content can be kept stable, or ongoing arguments about the copyright of pictures and text on the site. Linux has also suffered through similar battles, ranging from arguments over whether source code has been stolen through to criticisms of its stability and long-term viability.

While such arguments are likely to continue for eternity, their force does tend to lessen over time. Corbet offered the example of closed source drivers, long a source of irritation to the Linux community for their limiting effect on distributions. "At this point, closed source drivers are irrelevant and unnecessary, and I think that's a great state of affairs," he said.


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Glen Turner:

Reportage or opinion?

Angus,

Please be more careful in future distinguishing your opinion from your reportage.

People are asking Jon Corbet why he thinks Linux kernel development and Wikipedia editing are comparable. This is not a view that many Linux developers would hold, because of the kernel's strong quality review of submissions.

Of course, Jon doesn't make that comparison at all; that is your work. Unfortunately, your reportage of his comments and your opinion growing from his comments are easily confused because of the poor segue in your writing.

See the discussion at Linux Weekly News (www.lwn.net).

Cheers, Glen



29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me:

I think you're being a little harsh, Glen.
The article was written, as are all the articles, to induce comments (even if some are biased, purile and uneducated). This is a forum after all. If we want reportage, we'd buy the Mag.

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Shrike:

Linux has a bigger support base because it is perceived as a threat to Microsoft, which is why companies like Google and IBM pump millions into it, and not because everyone loves "freedom" in software like all the freetards would have us believe. Unfortunately for Wikipedia there is no such institution to compete against.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bobby:

Ever heard of Encyclopedia Britannica?

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Shrike:

Yes I have, they are a privately owned company and are worth bugger all. Hardly what I call competition...

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

phanrt:

good troll? or best troll?

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jose_X:

>> and not because everyone loves "freedom" in software like all the freetards would have us believe.

Actually, freedom of code, especially such platform code as the kernel, is so important that my only guess is that you work for a proprietary company that feels threatened or you really have no clue, or both?

I think a bunch of end users haven't figured out the freedom thing yet ("computer, what's a computer"), but that doesn't lessen it's value. In fact, I know they haven't, or they would have dumped the closed-source who-knows-what-it's-doing lock-in monopolist offering by now.

At least those with the clue aren't suffering. That's what's important. That's the way nature tends to work.



29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Shrike:

I've figured out the freedom thing. I'm free to buy a well written, well developed product that works, and don't have to waste hours(nay,days) of my life trying to get the product to display my monitor resolution correctly, or to find a stable driver for a common piece of hardware. I am also free to write my own drivers(or even my own operating system!) if I wished, as the paid professionals who created this product have kindly added in the tools for me to do this.
Linux developers, freedom doesn't have to come at the expense of originality and usability, and how can you ever create something original when you're bound to give up your code to any hack that wants it?

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me:

Touche ... Not all free stuff is good stuff !

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dirk Riehle:

Two things: Jimmy Wales (if he read the article) would be quick to point out that Wikia and Wikipedia are unrelated. The first is his private entrepreneurial venture and the second a community-based non-profit encyclopedia.

Then, the Wikipedia community hates advertisements so that's why you don't see them on Wikipedia. Instead, you get the requests for donations, which seems like a fair deal to me. The Wikimedia Foundation that operates (technically) Wikipedia is in the pursuit of further funding sources.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Melanie:

Wikipedia (along with Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Wikinews, and other projects) is run by the 501(c) non-profit organization The Wikimedia Foundation -- see http://wikimediafoundation.org

Wikia is an entirely separate for-profit venture, supported by advertising. It uses the same wiki software, and was founded by Jimmy Wales (Wikipedia founder) and Angela Beesley (former Wikimedia board member), but is not in any sense a "sister project" of Wikipedia.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me:

One of the biggest issues with anything open source is that it is succeptable to abuse by sinister elements. Eg. No one with any credibility would use Wikipedia as a reference. You use it at your own risk and only as a guide .... Because you KNOW that the info may be wrong.
And I think the Linux crowd will have to deal with this. Because as Linux gets bigger and bigger it will have to weed out the malicious elements which WILL contribute to the project .... Good Luck !
At least with the big corporation there are some (not foolproof) internal controls.


29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jose_X:

You crack me up. It's the same old "FOSS has no controls; it's all crazy; it's a wonder they can even agree on what to name the project much less produce something that works."


I guess you missed the big clue from the last millenium.


29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me:

It's human nature !
If you are not getting paid for a job, you will inevitably do a half-arsed job. No business will trust a 'free' open source ANYTHING when there are dollars involved ... The truth hurts doesn't it, Jose_X ?

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jose_X:

You are confusing the fact that many volunteers can contribute with the confused either/or concept that somehow that precludes businesses from supporting the software.

The truth is beautiful.

You should try PCLinuxOS2007 some time. I think you think all that software is imaginary. Well, sweet dreams.


29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

54Sandgroper:

Actually, it's human nature to do a better job of something we care about than something we are just doing for money.

Secondly, there's *lots* of businesses using FOSS products for mission critical applications.

Your 'truth' isn't anything like true.

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Bruce:

"No business will trust a 'free' open source ANYTHING when there are dollars involved"

Well, you're clueless.

- Linux runs over 90% of the top 500 research supercomputers in the world - it is so dominant that it doesn't really have any competition.

- Linux now does nearly all of the CGI effects at every major Hollywood studio.

- the U.S Military is using Linux for its next-generation "Future Combat Systems" mega-project.

Linux in particular and OSS in general are *very* big business - I'm surprised you would even think that a comment like yours would be believed (or perhaps it was just a troll comment and I fell for it).

David Bruce

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me:

Research Computers ?
Hollywood ?
The Military ?

....... and these are your examples of average everyday businesses ???

I am talking about the REAL world, David.

And I'll bet all the front desk of these 'businesses' run windows/mac for their site users. Name me any end user in a retail environment that could run a script for a linux distro .... they barely know where the 'any' key is :)

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jose_X:

You really fell asleep behind the oak tree for quite a while if you think businesses aren't taking up FOSS.
http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9850569-16.html
http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9815015-16.html
http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9819570-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad

If anything thrives on providing support, it's open source support vendors. They have to in many cases because the software itself is available for free. They have lower overhead costs so a stronger support structure is what brings in the bacon. Like FOSS itself, they differentiate on quality because they don't have access very to much lock in.

You don't know about Red Hat obviously. Do some research on them.

Getting the base goods for free, frees up the customers' money to be used to shop around for good service. When the software is closed a monopoly exists. In that case, the monopolist, the only one that can really service the product, can be lazy with support as most monopolist can be and are (human nature).

Wake up please. Even in Wonderland "free help from volunteers" means more not less. And be careful because some hobbyists rival the pros. Of course, today most that work on FOSS full-time get paid to do so. [Check out the following company also: IBM.]

Oh, and why volunteer? Because you use the software yourself. Because you can. Because you add a little but get a lot back (since many are similarly adding their 2 cents worth to improve the product you can all get for free -- excluding advanced support).


29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me:

Seems to have hit a nerve, have I ?
A vehement defence always hides a swag of shortcomings ?

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Roger:

Or is it that a clueless comment hides a swag of shortcomings?

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me:

.... Or is it the emptiest vessels make the loudest noise ?

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

davidb:

Hi

This message is for the guy who thinks Linux and Open Source is a bad idea.


Please do your home work before you make such idiotic comments about Linux or Open Source Software in general.

Thanks Troll

Davidb (aka linux23dragon)

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Shrike:

No one here has said open source is a bad idea, it's just not a commercially viable one. I've used various forms of Linux and other open source apps, some I've enjoyed and some I've wasted hours of my life on. Personally, I'd rather pay for something that works without hours of configuration. I can appreciate the desire to tinker and play with things, but I can do that by working on my own apps, trying to create something original, instead of just recycling the same old stuff and calling it something new. But hey, if you've got nothing better to do...

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me:

Agreed ... No one is saying Linux distros are bad.
It's just NOT commercially viable !!!
You fanboys keep saying businesses are moving to FOSS in droves ...... WHO ???
I'm an IT salesman on the Gold Coast, Qld, Australia. and in 15 years of industry experience our company has NEVER had a small business person come in and request systems with ANY Open source OS's. Graphics people request MAC's and general accounts and secretarial request Windows.
The point is there is no certified 'support' for a business when there is open-source 'free' software used.
Being in a large national chain store, we have found the Microsoft support to be outstanding ... yes ! outstanding !
I wonder what the support for a business from ubuntu would be like ??????
Look at it objectively and answer yourself thruthfully ! ..
If you were a business running a secretarial service with 20 'layman' end-users, would you use a Linux distro ??

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jose_X:

I provided links I don't think you looked at (you've made no comments on them). There are many more, but comment on those first (the 3 at the top).

Now, I also did not say that the majority of the world in every single sector in every single region had moved already to Linux or anything like that.

What in the world do you mean by not commercially viable? Do you mean that commercial entities don't use it? Do you mean you can't make money supporting it? Do you mean that in your neck of the woods, it is in very low demand? It's one thing to have a flawed product. It's another to have an unknown product. IBM and many other companies have gotten behind Linux in a very big way, but this wasn't the case over the last 15 years. I am talking about 2008 (or the last year or two mostly).

Just looking at the desktop browser (a very common tool), Firefox market share exploded only in this past year. Microsoft's worldwide share in that market has dropped from over 95% to under 70% I think is where it's at now. This happened in 2007 not in 1993. http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2008012901626NWDTMR

Also, The US, UK, and Australia have among the lowest uptake of Linux.

Another reason people don't request Linux is that you can get it for free online and make unlimited copies. If that is all you are looking at, you will miss the opportunities in supporting and extending the base product. You are missing on tremendous branding opportunities since you can remake a Linux distro as you wish. And at some point, your prices are going to be undercut by competitors. Just this past year (towards the end.. we are talking about the last months not the last 15 years) decent Linux laptops and PCs have been breaking price barriers and are yet untouched by Microsoft offerings. The profits of many companies are going to disappear if their market is sensitive to this low price point. Already in the US (Walmart and others), the lowest priced Linux PC shaves near 25% from the lowest priced comparable Windows PC. That's an awfully large number from which to try and preserve a profit if you can't compete at the same level. But again, this is all new and the impact has not yet been felt to any significant depth in most markets.

Who is not certifying support? Of course Microsoft does not. And you may not either. But plenty of Linux and open source distributors stand behind the product. Get in touch with Red Hat (RHT).

>> If you were a business running a secretarial service with 20 'layman' end-users, would you use a Linux distro ??

Of course I would. Kids and the elderly use Linux. In fact, the most resistance seems to come from those that are somewhat competent or greater using Windows. That is no surprise. The other thing you are confusing is that it only takes one knowlegeable person to manage 20 laymen. The interface of Linux can get very stripped down so that only a few knobs are present, making it very easy for the novice. The end user is not going to install or maintain the software. Linux is more transparent, so the admin and eager user learns more faster on it. It doesn't have the ceiling Windows has where everything beyond a certain point, not even the most knowledgeable admins can figure out.

Anyway, service providers have a gold mine here. Someone will tap into it at some point. Linux is as customizable as it gets. And it doesn't have the ceiling MS products have where you necessarily have to give up a huge chunk of profits so that Microsoft holds your hand (I am talking about service providers.. who should then be able to go and hold the hands of end users).

Linux is not a good solution yet for all sectors and will never be a good solution for all clients. I hope you don't think I was implying that. But from what I can see, I would definitely use Linux to run a secretarial service with 20 laymen end users.

If you want to keep up, do go to linuxtoday.com . You may find of interest handfulls of links weekly. But be warned that likely a lot of things may not interest you.



29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Canadian:

Who is using linux?

The French Gendarmerie, who have just announced they will migrate 70,000 desktops to linux in the next few years.

The French National Assembly have been using linux for a year or two.

Boeing.

Northrop Grumman.

DaimlerChrysler

Mercedes-Benz

and many, many more.

Check out http://mtechit.com/linux-biz/ - 557 entries, although it was last updated in march 2003.

The reason your company has not been asked for these things is that linux and FOSS do not have the Gates publicity machine behind them.


To answer your last question: I'd be an idiot to use windows, that's for sure.

My wife has been using linux exclusively for at least 5 years now and has no problems. Previously she used windows and was forever having difficulties.

I have been in the industry for nearly 35 years and can honestly say I have never seen such poorly-written software as people regularly pay microsoft for.


29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me:

My point is the 'bread and butter' comes from the 'illiterate' end-user market, not Boeing, who will licence about 100 terminals ! .... This is where MS and Apple make the majority of their money.
And as for your wife, she is lucky to have someone that is savvy like yourself to tutor her on the IT trail. As I do for my family. Most people don't have the luxury of being tutored by someone that is available 24/7. These are the ones who will need the MS/Mac Help desk.

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jose_X:

People can say open source is not commercially viable till they turn blue. It doesn't change the fact that more companies keep moving to FOSS for commercial reasons. You should check out some of the (very few) links provided above. If you want more links, hang out around places like Linux Today.

As for fudging with apps. I think you haven't tried PCLinuxOS 2007 or any of the many other current distros. Yes, since they don't come pre-installed, there may be a little fudging at the beginning (Walmart ZaReason and others are selling a very capable brand new Linux-based PC for $199 or try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC ).

Once settled down, it works similar enough to Windows and Macs. As always, if you are not comfortable with computers, ask around. Linux aware people are growing in numbers. If you can't find any ask a Windows superstar nicely if they would please help you out with Linux. They probably could.

Anyway, I'm not interested in spending time now arguing over something that is subjective and that you would have to try out yourself to know what I am talking about. Most negative comments here likely don't use Linux very much if at all, or are exaggerating to make clumsy Vista appear better than it actually is (and being clumsy is hardly the reason I avoid it). I'd buy a Mac way before anything else from Microsoft, but why bother with a Mac when I have freedom with Linux and for $0?

Closed source is really a dead end. Most of those that don't know what I mean will in time.


29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

cocksucker:

You can't buy passion. Its not chargable buy the hour. If it were then perhaps you could aford one ascii character!

People who write linux stuff never do half arsed jobs. They take everything to the nth degree and beyond.

How can anyone say that microsoft stuff is good when you cant see the source. Its like having an engine in your car made of chocolate for all you know...

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me:

Your call sign would insinuate what kind of relationship you have with Linux then ?

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Lethargo:

As I understand it, anyone can make a change to a Wikipedia article, and anyone viewing that article will see their (possibly erroneous) information until someone who knows it is wrong sees it and corrects it.

Open source software like the Linux kernel does not work that way. Yes, anyone can make a contribution, but it gets reviewed by maintainers (long-known, and whose reliability have been verified over time) before it ever goes into a release. Unless you download software patches from random unknown locations, apply them yourself, then compile the resulting conglomeration, there isn't really any way to end up with some unreviewed malicious code in your kernel.


29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Roger:

No one with any credibility would use Wikipedia as a reference. You use it at your own risk and only as a guide .... Because you KNOW that the info may be wrong.

Whats that suppose to mean? That an enciclopedia owned or written by a private company is true or more close to it then a donation made by hundreds of people?

Nobody knows anything for a fact. What you say from Wiki applies to other private owned enciclopedias or information owned by private individuals. If not how can you explain some lies newspapers and tv channels spread sometimes?

Or worst, how can you justify the lies that hollywood movie films spread about the holocaut in films like schindler list and other thousands of films which are not based on historical facts?

Manipulation is mostly handled from people that run a company not otherwise. They can tell you what you want and people will buy it.

Just talk to any serious historian or researcher and you will see how much lies there are about allot of historical facts.

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me:

If you had to wager your life on it (too extreme) .. If your 10 year old's class presentation about the Great Wall of China depended on it. Would source your info from wikipedia or encyclopedia brittanica ?
No one in the academic community references any material from a source which is open to malicious public abuse. This just doesn't include wikipedia !

And yes I agree with you .... History is written by winners !

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous-:

My god. what happend here?

this is more fighting-in-the-comments-section-over-little-ethical-issues-that-never-end than mac fanboys do. =D

about the whole binary closed-source drivers, they really piss me off when they dont work all properly(all the time).the vendors should either make a proper api commands for devs to intergrate to or opensource it. with all this fighting bullshit its the end users that really suffer.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

justthething84:

Linx is a shit operation system. why buy it?

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mconstable:

You, obviously, don't need to.

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Davidb:

I get my Linux OS for free. You know about Ubuntu or PCLinuxOS?

Linux is the best.



29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jose_X:

That's like calling the Mona Lisa a work of crap.

Like the Mona Lisa, Linux is priceless.

Being a digital composition, you can make a copy for free to give to that special someone..

And start off the Month of Love in style.

Makes sense to me.


29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me:

Good comparo Jose_X.
The Mona Lisa was painted by a single entity.
I wonder if Leonardo would have wanted all his next door neighbours to contribute to it's production.
...... Shot down again, huh ?

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

davidb:

You are showing signs of being too scared to move on, or too include new ideas that has now become standard practice.

Welcome to the real IT world.

Linux and Open Source is been used by many "end users" like my Father, Mother, Sister and Nana.

People (were I work) are switching to Linux, and I help them when they come to me asking questions about their needs (They just need to know the application names).

Yes, I said "NEED"


I guess you have run out of ideas on how to be successful. Were do you want to be (or accomplish) in 10 years?



29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me:

Where I come from David, a successful business supplies what the customers demands. And in my part of the world there is NO need for Linux in a commercial environment. Maybe in 50 years when Linux has 10% share of the commercial 'end-user' market, I may change my mind.

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