The verdict from Wheels

Tony Sarno19 August 2007, 10:34 PM

With HDTV testing so subjective, we asked professional car testers from Wheels magazine to run their critical eyes over the plasma and LCD HDTVs in our Labs.


With HDTV testing so subjective, we asked professional car testers from Wheels magazine to run their critical eyes over the plasma and LCD HDTVs in our Labs. Wheels magazine is Australia's top selling car magazine and is owned by the same company as us (which means they are conveniently located in the same building). A review from the Wheels testers can make or break a new car so we were keen to unleash them onto the HDTVs.

We showed them various plasma and LCD HDTVs side by side, using a component splitter to pump 1920x1080i signal into the sets from a Toshiba HD DVD player. We also sent video to the TVs individually via a HDMI cable to get the highest maximum resolution of 1080p in some cases.

The team from Wheels. Back row, from left (ignore the green guy), Ash Westerman and Ged Bulmer, front row: Robin Austin, Dean Lee and John CareyThe team from Wheels. Back row, from left (ignore the green guy), Ash Westerman and Ged Bulmer, front row: Robin Austin, Dean Lee and John Carey

It didn’t take long for the car heritage of the Wheels' testers to come through. APC magazine's reviewers barely considered design style when assessing the HDTVs, but Wheels’ John Carey took one look at the piano-black Panasonic Viera and said dismissively “that’s so Monaro 2001," referring to the Australian muscle car icon that's the Pontiac GTO in the US.

The image below shows that piano black is the new, eh, black in HDTVs, with the Samsung, Pioneer and LG also featuring the same deep shiny black.

Piano-black is hot in HDTVsPiano-black is hot in HDTVs

The Wheels news editor Ash Westerman agreed piano-black looked dated. “The Sony looks more contemporary,” he said, pointing to the 52in Bravia as an example of a stylish HDTV. The Sony and the Grundig won approval from Wheels because of their use of silver trim. Wheels' art director Robin Austin thought the Grundig’s silver base softened it up. Black would be too strong particularly for small spaces, he thought.

The Sony Bravia - stylishThe Sony Bravia - stylish

The Grundig - equally stylishThe Grundig - equally stylish

The Wheels crew spent at least an hour in our Labs checking out the HDTVs on the benches. What follow are their comments on the two TV technologies, prefaced by senior designer Dean Lee’s observation that “it’s hard to see the differences without comparing the TVs directly.“

When you just look at each set by itself, most of the HDTVs look great, particularly in comparison to the Standard Definition dinosaurs many of us still watch. We have an old SD TV in the Labs, a Sony Trinitron and use it mostly for laughs when comparing it with the HDTVs. But among the HDTVs, it’s only by constantly switching one's gaze from the plasma to the LCD sets that the differences between the two technologies become apparent.

If there was one HDTV quality that Wheels crew unanimously agreed on, it was that the plasma picture was more “life-like” than that of the LCDs. Their thoughts on this included:

  • “It’s a softer picture.”
  • “It’s a more natural look.”
  • “There’s more detail in the blacks.”
  • “The skin tones are more natural.”
  • “The graduation of colours in the shadows looks more natural.”

The plasmas were assessed in the ideal low lighting conditions that make the technology look good. However, as Wheels editor Ged Bulmer said when the lights were turned up, the issue is “not cut and dry.” The LCDs got better as we restored the fluorescent lights in the Labs, which was what the APC reviewers had found earlier.

The Wheels crew was generally more ambivalent about the LCD HDTVs than the plasmas. After assessing the LCD HDTVs, the Wheels testers split into pro LCD and pro Plasma camps.

One thing they agreed on: just as they'd concluded that the plasma picture looked softer and more natural, they thought the picture on the LCD HDTVs was brighter and sharper. The “fine pitch” or resolution on the 40in 1080p Samsung LCD impressed them, while they agreed the Toshiba Regza’s contrasts (and their ability to show fine detail in dark scenes) virtually matched those of the plasmas.


John Carey felt a major advantage of LCD screens was that they came in more manageable sizes. “I could not accommodate some of the big TVs,” he said, a 32in Toshiba being more than big enough for him.

Size was equally important to Lee, but he came at it from a different angle: how much TV one got for the money. Lee was impressed by the 50in Panasonic Viera plasma. The LCD Toshiba might have been the right size for Carey, but “that Panasonic kills it,” said Lee when it came to screen real estate per dollar.

Of the LCD HDTVs, the Toshiba Regza impressed the Wheels crew. Toshiba has only just re-entered the AV market in Australia after several years focusing on the computing side, where it’s the major player in notebooks. Toshiba claims its heritage in computing means it understands how to process LCD pictures to get the most from them, and if its Regza range is anything to go by, Toshiba has made an impressive comeback.

Like APC’s reviewers, the Wheels team thought the Toshiba managed to extract plasma-like contrasts from the blacks and greys in its pictures. But from APC’s own testing, this appears to be common in the latest generation LCD HDTVs, with the 40in Samsung and 32in Philips also doing better contrasts. Surprisingly, the 52in Sony Bravia, one of the most expensive TVs but now an older generation LCD, lagged behind the others here – its muddy blacks hid detail in dark scenes.


The Wheels testers expressed some concern at the cost of the investment required for the more expensive HDTVs (50in plasmas or 42in and above LCDs). Perhaps stretching the point, Westerman said: “you pay $13,000 for it now, a couple of years later you’ll get it on eBay for $1,500.” The industry does concede that LCD HDTVs will continue to drop in price, with more potential for price cuts in LCD technology than plasma.

In the end, Carey went for the LCD technology, admitting “I have a natural predisposition to it.” The crisper image and finer detail on the LCD sets impressed him. “You also get a sense of constant improvements in the LCDs,” he said, which pretty much agreed with our experience at APC, having seen constant improvement in LCD monitors over the years.

On the other hand, Westerman wasn’t convinced about LCD HDTVs. "For me, LCD is a distinct look, it’s not as natural to me as the plasma. I would trade the LCD for the more natural look of plasma.”

Sitting mostly on the fence was Austin. “Until we watched the Toshiba, plasma looked more perfect..even if a couple of the dark scenes in the LCD were a bit iffy, the TVs were very close. In fact, they’re about on a par, with the plasmas just a touch ahead. “

As the owner of a plasma HDTV himself, Lee favoured the plasmas. “It’s how you watch your TV – turn the lights down and the plasma is better.” He liked plasmas, because, “I like to play with the lights off!”

Throwing his casting vote, in keeping with his title as the Wheels boss, Bulmer went for the plasmas.

But the final word should probably go to Austin when summing up the LCD vs plasma debate: “Neither is perfect, but neither will disappoint.”

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Tenoq:

I thought I might suggest a correction to your article regarding the smallest 1080p LCDs that are currently on the market today. At present, there are 24" LCDs that support full 1080p resolutions: including the Dell 2407, the Samsung 244T & the Apple Cinema displays (24"-30"). Although originally designed as PC displays, they support HDMI and can be easily used in home theatre. For older technology, there is even a 27" Viewsonic (VX2835WM) that supports component, s-video and even composite video inputs.

The advantage of LCD technology in size extends much further if you focus on the competitively priced PC monitor market (rather than the high-margin TV market?).

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Duane:

Excellent point on the computer monitor issue. If you have a Plasma or LCD you probably have a sound system and don't use the TV's speakers (I wouldn't, they are generally CRAP. Mine are!) so computer monitors are a great way to enter the market if you don't want something too big and have a separate sound output. As for resolution, mine is a 32" @ 1360x768 and I have no problem with 'jaggies', the picture is great!

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

hitachiplasmafan:

the hitachi1080iHDplasma with inbuilt tuner is fantastic and beats the pioneer equivalent which is twice the price

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Malik:

I have a Magnavox 42 inch plasma at home and I love it! The picture can be incredibly stunning with HDMI connection, and in my house, the lighting is usually best for the picture. What I want to know is why no one is talking about the other side of the coin of this debate. HDTV problems!!! This is my third plasma television, and I must say, not because I wanted it that way. My first set died on me within the first month or so of usage. The second one died after about two weeks. This one has lasted for about a year so far, but it still has it's issues. What's not being discussed is the absolute nightmare of trying to troubleshoot any issues you have with the television. Is it the cheap HD box from the cable or satellite company causing the problem? Is it a poor HDMI cable you are using? Is it the connection port on the television itself? To this day, I have to deal with sound not coming in occasionally, which is fixed by changing channels back and forth usually, the picture going completely out at times, which requires rebooting the HD cable box and hoping it fixes the issue, and other annoyances. As I said, I love my television, as long as it works fine that day. Sometimes channels will have issue where picture is obviously having transmission problems, and I have to ask myself "is it the cable box, the television, or the channel itself?" Honestly, there seems to be no way of knowing as it happens. Usually, by the time someone shows up for a service call, it no longer is having an issue. I sort of miss basic cable service because of that. Used to be so easy to figure out, now it's a pure nightmare!

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Stefcep:

Magnavox? Maybe thats your problem. I have SD viera plasma for 18 months, using external hd settop box via hdmi: no problems at all. In fact dvd's look better via component on my SD plasma than they do on my brothers HD panasonic 42 inch plasma playing back on panasonic dvd player via hdmi. i think thats because SD plasma resolution fits dvd resolution better, whereas HD plasma has to scale the picture. maybe the review could have mentioned this. I suppose bluray will look better on HD but you gotta pay big bickies to see the same movie (with more dots..)

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bob:

If they had tested the new Sony Bravia 100Hz models, I think the result might have been different... The 3100 series run from 40in to 70in, are 100Hz, 1080p HD and the 70in model has LED backlighting for even better blacks (yes, I know it's $70,000).

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

paul_one:

Well,

I've actually got a 32" Regza. Use it for TV, DVD, PC and gaming uses and couldn't be happier.

When I first turned it on, I did find the images a little harsh and 'outlined', but nothing that wasn't sorted with a quick 5 minutes in the configuration.

Just wanted to say, that the LCD settings can be ALTERED so that they don't produce ugly visuals only acceptable for PC output, or the fact that the blue is horribly OFF (meaning the RGB settings need slight tweaking) in your apollo pics.
I hope you took this into account.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

MartinX:

It's pointless saying LCDs have a higher res than plasmas. If you are sitting 3 metres away from a 40 inch screen, you WILL NOT see the difference between 1080p and 720p (this doesn't necessarily for using it as a computer display, however, just TV, DVDs etc)

According to home theatre calculators, I'm at the edge of resolving distance (3.5m) for HD on a 50" screen. If I wanted to be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 720p, I'd need a 65" screen.

Also, pointless again in saying that LCDs are "better for the environment" because they are smaller and so consume less power. You are not comparing like against like. If you want a 50" screen, you want a 50" screen, and plasma will consume less power than LCD at that size. If you want to consume less power, buy a smaller screen. You may as well say "The 200L fridges are so much better than the 400 L fridges because they consume less power".

"We showed them various plasma and LCD HDTVs side by side, using a component splitter to pump 1920x1080i signal into the sets from a Toshiba HD DVD player."
I was under the impression that HD DVD players (and BluRay) only put out SD from component sockets, and HDMI had to be used for HD (thanks to HDCP). Correct me if I'm wrong.

The Wheels team is viewing the screens under unnatural conditions - from a metre away under office fluoros. And as for the Wheels guy who essentially said he'd buy an LCD now because LCDs are improving all the time, someone should remind him that what you buy now is what you get, it won't be improving once you bring it home.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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