The Windows we never got: users get to work programming "Longhorn Reloaded"

David Flynn29 May 2007, 9:04 AM

Was the beta better? The team behind the radical 'Longhorn Reloaded' OS think so, casting the release version of Vista aside in order to rebuild Longhorn from its original 2004 codebase. Yes, WinFS is in there.


A handful of programmers and tech-savvy Windows users are attempting to do what Microsoft's legion of coders could not, by turning the 'Longhorn' beta builds of Windows Vista into a full-featured operating system.

The Longhorn Reloaded project is a daring attempt to roll back the clock from Vista and resurrect the OS in its original form using the seeds of its first iteration -- specifically, the '4074 build' shown and distributed during the WinHEC geekfest in Seattle in May 2004.

Ah, sweet memories: long before Vista's grassy green background came Longhorn's rural-themed desktopAh, sweet memories: long before Vista's grassy green background came Longhorn's rural-themed desktop

At that time, Microsoft was still spruiking Longhorn as a radically re-engineered OS that would forever change the Windows roadmap.

However just three months later, frustrated by delays and with the feeling that Microsoft may have bitten off more than even the mighty software colossus could chew, then Windows chief Jim Allchin persuaded Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer to flick the reset switch on Longhorn and settle for a far less ambitious but more 'do-able' OS.

This involved pushing back the delivery date to 2006 and, more significantly, removing several of the more ambition features which were until then considered the cornerstones of Longhorn (including a storage system based on a relational database and codenamed WinFS, along with the special WinFX communications and graphics technologies for developers).

By the time the first beta shipped in July 2005, the OS had a new name -- Vista -- and had undergone the first of several overhauls, each of which took it further away from the Longhorn days in look, feel and features.

It was a little too far for the likes of Jean-Marie Houvenaghel, who oversees the Longhorn Reloaded project. Houvenaghel also skipped the much-criticised build 5048 from WinHEC 2005 and settled on the penultimate public release of Longhorn (build 4074) as the basis for Longhorn Reloaded.

(Ironically, Microsoft itself was the first to flirt with the ‘Reloaded' tag as a mid-2005 refresh edition of XP to bridge the gap between the release of Service Pack 2 in August 2004 and the arrival of Longhorn sometime in 2006).

Houvenaghel's half-dozen code hackers have already released a technical refresh of the Longhorn Reloaded M1 (Milestone 1) edition, which is available for download via a BitTorrent seed on their site. Now the team is steadily working towards an M2 release.

This isn't the first attempt to fiddle with the inner working of Microsoft's favourite child. Melbourne programmer Shane Brooks developed a series of Windows 'lite' programs such as 98lite, 2000lite and XPlite which stripped out standard Windows components including Internet Explorer, Outlook Express and Windows Media Player, along with other flotsam files, to create a streamlined OS with a footprint claimed to be less than 350MB in the case of XPlite.

(Brooks also offers a Embedded Windows 98 OS which can shrink down to 11MB including network support and the Windows Explorer UI).

Stand-alone tools like nLite and vLite can also be used to create customised installers for bespoke builds of XP, 2000 and Vista. But such roll-your-own Windows install aids are nothing compared to the task of tackling the monolithic OS from the ground up, using an unfinished pre-beta build of what is in effect an abandoned project.

While the Longhorn Reloaded team don't have access to the source code, it could turn into a fascinating meld of an established closed-source OS at the base, mixed with some recent updates and mashed together with an array of open-source add-ons.

And even if resurrecting Longhorn proves to be technically possible, will Microsoft let it live? The company has yet to let the dogs of law loose on the "Lite" Brigade, perhaps reasoning that it's better to turn a blind eye and allow customers to use a pared-down version of Windows than lose them to Linux.

We've put a call in to Microsoft's legal eagles and will give you an update with their response

Longhorn build 4074: a more optimistic feature-set, before Microsoft stripped all the interesting stuff from VistaLonghorn build 4074: a more optimistic feature-set, before Microsoft stripped all the interesting stuff from Vista


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William L:

its a great project and it would be interesting to see how Microsoft react to it but too bad it doesn't support SATA Hard Drives and thats most of us so ill just keep on using Vista Home Premium

Intel Pentium D is a 64bit processor isnt it says in the BIOS it is but not sure
can some one tell me

Thanks

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Leo:

Running a Pentium D right now. Yeah, it's 64 bit. But God help you if you try and use XPx64. Kill me now. You think driver support is bad with Vista, then I'll pay you to take this copy off my hands of XP Pro 64bit edition and hope your suicide is quick

29 February 2008, 8:43 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

William L:

Thanks for comfirming that its a 64bit

i am currently running Vista Home Premium 32bit upgraded from XP in March reinstalled a few times (to try other operating systems etc) but its working perfect for me any ways cant speak for every one else

29 February 2008, 8:43 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jarrod Spiga:

In my opinion, if Microsoft's hundreds or thousands of developers couldn't make the original incarnation of Longhorn work, I really can't see "Houvenaghel's half-dozen code hackers" doing any better - especially since they don't have access to the source. If they do manage to get it working to the stage where people would actually use it, I'd be surprised if I still have hair on my head.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

I must admit, I thought that myself... seems like a rather basic logic flaw in the whole project. Not to mention that they don't have access to the source code...

Still, an interesting political statement within the tech world. And it will be most interesting to see how Microsoft reacts. 



29 February 2008, 8:43 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Flynn:

Oh, agreed without doubt. Personally I think I'd be far more likely to load the original Longhorn 4074 (for all its flaws!) than any Longhorn Reloaded variant. But you gotta give these guys points for chutzpah!


29 February 2008, 8:43 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jake Schoermer:

Why build a new OS at all if you crop so much out of it that theres no point in even getting it except for DX 10.

If Vista worked properly and was cheaper I wouldn't have a problem with it.

I'd like to see this project gain a following but why try to recreate a windows OS anyway. A Unix based operating systems is much more secure anyway so if people are going to leave MS-Windows for Hack-Windows then the compatibilty level better be bloody good we really don't need a WINE repeat.WINE is great but the compatibility is oh so patchy.

BTW why don't they team up with the devs of React OS, seems to me that they're heading in a pretty similar direction anyway.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hank Wells:

Well having burnt my fingers on Vista, the tech backup the crap and at least 30% of drivers do not work with it even if they are Vista ready what have I to loose?

The exchange rate for one British Pound (£1) is at the bank two dollors 10 cent ($2.10) today.

So why do we in UK pay double the dollor rate in pounds? In UK the price of Vista Home Premium upgrade is £150 which is $315 while the price in USA is $150 which is £71. its the same across all versions.

We have written to Tony Blair and got the sort of shit answer we expect of him (George Bush's poodle). All Microsoft products and Adobe products you take the US price and double it.ITS A RIP OFF

So download and use Longhorn Ialready paid twice what its worth in the States and its not even stable.

Remember what Bill Gates said:-

"WE WANT YOUR MONEY"


29 February 2008, 8:43 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Shaun:

We have written to Tony Blair ..... me think you have to much time on your hands...article was about some dudes coding longhorn and your ranting about Tony Blair and Bush...

29 February 2008, 8:43 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Drewhiggins69:

Well, why not?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Killer:

You can transform your Vista into Longhorn with Longhorn Customization Pack for Vista.

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