TOO EXPENSIVE: NBN monthly plans unveiled

Renai LeMay
17 March 2010, 1:54 PM


The first 100Mbit/s plans have been announced for the national broadband network, but they're like Telstra pricing -- only worse.


opinion The proposed National Broadband Network prices released this week by iiNet are simply way too expensive for the promised 100Mbps speeds and will need to be reduced significantly to drive customer uptake.

That’s the opinion I formed after a two second glance at the company’s forward pricing estimates. When you dig into the details, it only gets uglier.

The ISP is so far the only company to release any forward pricing estimates for monthly access to the NBN in the first locations to receive the new fibre services — a number of locations in Tasmania. The services are slated to go on sale from July.

And what has been released so far is not good.

It looks like iiNet is not pricing NBN services at a similar level to its current ADSL2+ broadband plans. Instead, iiNet chief regulatory officer Steve Dalby told iTnews the company plans to offer plans similar to those sold to customers in existing greenfield fibre compounds like the Alamanda Estate in Point Cook, Victoria.

This means customers will be paying a minimum of $49.95 for a tiny total 10GB (5GB of off- and on-peak data) for a fibre broadband service that runs at 25Mbps. I anticipate many of the NBN customers will take up iiNet’s additional $9.95 per month for a total of $59.90 per month. Further information on Exetel’s forum here.

That price is the same amount iiNet currently charges for an ADSL2+ broadband plan with internet telephony and 16GB of total data (8GB of off- and on-peak data), meaning that low-end customers will likely get an overall better service (if with a lesser download quota) for about the same price.

But it’s still not quite as good as other large ISPs are offering. Netspace offers a 40GB limit for $49.95 (with no phone included), and Exetel charges $65 a month for an old-style, more reliable PSTN telephone line, with 24GB of data included.

Some may contend that internet telephony connections are as reliable as the old PSTN ones, but as someone who uses both iiNet’s internet telephony offering and Skype full-time, I can assure you that are not. The experience on NBN fibre connections is yet to be determined.

However, the real kicker for potential NBN customers comes when you look at the higher speed plans.

When Communications Minister Stephen Conroy and Prime Minister Kevin Rudd announced the NBN plans in April last year, they promised 100Mbps speeds to 90 percent of the population. Well, iiNet will deliver — but you’ll have to mortgage your house to afford it — the ISP will charge $129.95 per month for a 100Mbps service with a total of 120GB of included data.

Even early technology early adopters such as myself who download a lot of data and use the internet constantly for work purposes would find it hard to justify virtually doubling our monthly broadband cost simply to get higher speeds and better latency.

Most of my friends currently pay around between $50 and $70 a month for broadband — I’m on a $79.95 plan, which is $50 a month more expensive than iiNet’s lowest proposed 100Mbps NBN fibre plan. And I haven’t been using most of my download limit as the ISP recently increased its quotas — I could probably even slip down to iiNet’s current $69.95 plan with no worries.

Again, if you look at comparable ADSL2+ plans, one of Australia’s largest ISPs, TPG, offers a $89.99 monthly plan with 150Gb of included data — a cost far less than the proposed NBN plans and ad speeds most users are relatively happy with today.

Of course, some of this criticism may be baseless. Several Taswegians have pointed out the involvement of network builder Opticomm in the Tasmanian NBN buildout process as one factor behind some of the potential pricing.

Opticomm built the Alamanda Estate fibre and is believed to be providing wholesale services at the estate. Consequently there is speculation that some of iiNet’s pricing may reflect Opticomm’s wholesale prices rather than long-term NBN pricing.

One other factor to consider is that so far, only three ISPs — iiNet, Primus and Internode — have confirmed plans to offer NBN services to the early stage rollout communities in Tasmania.

When contacted this week, other ISPs like Telstra, Optus and Exetel all said they would wait until they saw the full details of the NBN Company’s wholesale offering. Both Telstra and Optus are currently in discussions with the company. The entrance of such large players into the market may change things dramatically.

However, at least initially, the release of iiNet’s plans is enough to raise the hoary old spectre that has been hanging around the NBN plans forever — namely, will the whole shebang be too expensive to run at any sustainable rate?

What do you think about the NBN pricing revealed so far? Would you pay $129.95 per month for a 100Mbps fibre connection?

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joelcocks (User):

it's far too early to judge yet.... let's let them build the network to the point most people can access it and then see what pricing is like...

17 March 2010, 2:05 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymousewiuu2945u389 (User):

Quoting joelcocks:
let's let them build the network to the point most people can access it


I wouldn't hold my breath on this happening any time this decade...

27 March 2010, 7:19 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

apt.pupil (New user):

it looks expensive, but you watch when the wholesale pricing is no longer pencilled in, there will be a battle of the prices.
It will be interesting to see Telstra getting involved in this bickering, since they are generally the ones who sit back and give the whole: "our service works where no- one else does" speech.

The prices will drop- but i dont honestly think they will drop by much.

Maybe its because im already a bigpond customer, but the pricing looks to be cheaper than what i am currently paying for my plan. ill have another look, though

17 March 2010, 2:53 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting apt.pupil:
it looks expensive, but you watch when the wholesale pricing is no longer pencilled in,

What do you mean when the wholesale price is no longer pencilled in? There will always be a wholesale price. There is a strong rumour permeating that providers currently signed up will be actually getting access without any wholesale charges (at least for an undisclosed introductory period).


Quoting apt.pupil:
The prices will drop

I wish I held your confidence, particularly with no indication on actual levels of wholesale price, and particularly with suggestion of a go it alone (without Telstra ducts) approach being suggested.

Quoting apt.pupil:
Maybe its because im already a bigpond customer, but the pricing looks to be cheaper than what i am currently paying for my plan.

More than a good chance of that.


It's looks like the promised 100mbs to 90% will fall somewhat short once economic reality sets in.


17 March 2010, 3:48 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

apt.pupil (New user):

Quoting Raindog:
What do you mean when the wholesale price is no longer pencilled in? There will always be a wholesale price. There is a strong rumour permeating that providers currently signed up will be actually getting access without any wholesale charges (at least for an undisclosed introductory period).

what i mean by "pencilled in" is an uncomfirned price for wholesale.
Do you honestly think im that much of an idiot to assume NBNco is gonna give wholesalers free access to their fibre network? wait- stupid question



17 March 2010, 4:01 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ultim8 (New user):

"I’m on a $79.95 plan, which is $50 a month more expensive than iiNet’s lowest proposed 100Mbps NBN fibre plan."

I would have thought it was less expensive

17 March 2010, 3:31 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

thomasr (New user):

Of course the price is high? It's not far off what it was for Optus cable in 2000!
This is bleeding edge FTH and the price is naturally going to be high- for now.
Wait til we get widespread FTH and a lot more ISP's being able to offer it. Then the $/gig will come down, but I do not expect to see FTH p[[ricing the same as ADSL1/2. As a consumer I would expect to pay more for a premium service. My ADSL 2 rund at 13mbs/sec. For 100Mbs, I would pay about 20% more.
Thats would make it about $100- and I would pay it gladly. Waiting for large downloads costs me money.
Tom

17 March 2010, 3:39 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Greg Halley (New user):

Yes I would pay the $129.95 per month, I pay that now for 9mb per second through Internode.

17 March 2010, 3:53 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Michael J (User):

"Several Taswegians..."
oh, we're taswegians are we now? WTF is that supposed to mean? well, according to several dictionary/wiktionary sites it's generally a derogatory term used to describe "two headed, six fingered" tasmanians (thats what it would mean in the context you put it in)! I'm a tasmanian and I find that extremely offensive! I don't know if you've ever met any tasmanians, but I can assure you that there are no two headed people in this state. maybe you think that no tasmanians would read this website? maybe you thought we'd all be out farming or something? do you think we're all too dumb to use computers or something? I can tell you for a fact that there are very few people in tasmania who don't know how to use a computer/the internet! we are actually civillized people and we don't like being called taswegians!

anyway, I might pay $120 a month for fibre... I already pay $90/month for adsl 2 with 25GB. and are you amazed that I can get adsl2 in tasmania? fyi it connects at 15/1 mbps, which in my opinion is quite good

17 March 2010, 4:52 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

JGrant (New user):

$49.95 isn't bad for 10gig of ACTUAL 25mbps speeds. Also I'd imagine the latency will be improved out of sight so I'd gladly pay this much.

17 March 2010, 5:03 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Expensive? Have you seen the pricing for plans delivered through Telstra Wholesale infrastructure?

I'd be happy with $90/month for 25mbps with about 30GB data. I'm also keen to see what happens with outbound speeds... I'm assuming some symetrical business plans will come out once wholesale pricing is known (and they get more business locations covered).

17 March 2010, 6:54 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

agami (New user):

Hmmm, that's a tough one. If there is a lot of content on-net, IP telephony, IPTV, Static IP, no upload counting, then sure, I'll pay that. Also, I have no problem with different bandwidth offerings e.g. 25, 50, 100 Mbps as long as they're bi-directional, I'm so sick of the deliberately choked measly upload speeds.

17 March 2010, 8:05 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ss-rotel (User):

currently, i live in Heritage park, QLD, just outside the Brownsplains DSLAM. just outside = 100m outside the DSLAM.

currently paying $99 per month for ADSL1 8mbps, and 50gb per month, which is the best i can get, and EVERY month, i get capped the day before it ticks over, got it down to a fine art.

so, yes, an extra $30 per month for 3x the bandwidth and more then 10x the speed, would be worth it. Depending on the network latency.

that said, it might be cheaper to sell the house, and move closer to an ADSL2+ exchange.

17 March 2010, 11:04 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David S (New user):

I would LOVE to pay $129 pm for 100Mbps on the NBN. I live at Mt Nathan on the Gold Coast, and can only get 3G and no ADSL, and have to pay $129 pm to get 10 Gb pm and commonly runs at 500 Kbps !!

17 March 2010, 11:10 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Zoran (New user):

Well, I might be minority but I am paying it now to Optus cable Internet (90G download) plus telephone which is connected to the back of Internet modem, (but Optus doesn't call this service VOIP but a landline).
Price is $99.99 for internet and $29.95 for phone.

18 March 2010, 8:38 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

agami (New user):

Quoting Zoran:
plus telephone which is connected to the back of Internet modem, (but Optus doesn't call this service VOIP but a landline).

That's because it isn't VoIP. The phone service does not use any of the IP Telephony protocols e.g. h.232, h.323, SIP. Just like with ADSL, Optus reserves the first 3.4 kHz for traditional PSTN voice services traditionally switched at the backend, ergo it's a proper land line.


18 March 2010, 7:29 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Minbani (New user):

Unless Australia's Telecommunication industry stops screwing the public just because they can; we will remain a backward nation as far as cyber trading goes. What's the point in having a fast broadband service if only a few TAXPAYERS can afford to access it? Why can't our brilliant powers-that-be understand that in the long run you make a lot more money from a lot of people paying less than you do with few people paying a lot?

Why can't our "academic bureaucratic business people" study the Taiwanese business model?

Why can't we ban ALL lobbyists from Canberra and get a democratic Government of the people and for the people, not just for big business and vested interests?

There are some things that Australia needs to see to if we are to stay 'the lucky country' for all.



18 March 2010, 1:21 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

agami (New user):

Quoting Minbani:
to see to if we are to stay 'the lucky country'

I think we lost that monicker I while back. But I agree with you, we have the potential to be sitting at the "dinner table" of the 21st century, though our politicians seem to be content with a seat at the "kids table".


18 March 2010, 1:54 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tenoq (New user):

I would pay the $130. That represents better value than getting ADSL2+ here via another quality provider like Internode. Internode ADSL Fast (ADSL2+ via Telstra Wholesale) gives 50GB at ADSL2+ speeds for $100, provided you bundle $30/month with their phone service.

So both offerings at $130/month:
Internode: 50GB @ up to 24Mbps
iiNet: 120GB @ up to 100Mbps

No brainer. Sure, there are some lucky people who have cheap ADSL2 thanks to TPG, iiNet et al installing their own DSLAMs - but for the rest of us (stuck on Telstra hardware), the NBN pricing looks FANTASTIC compared to what is currently on offer!

18 March 2010, 1:24 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TV Bis (New user):

Will anyone guarantee me that If I pay premium prices I will get premium content in return?
No?
The same old rubbish but slightly quicker?
I will just stick with the slow old boring speeds and happily still have a couple of dollars left over each month.
Jumping to conclusions is no fun. Lets all wait until everything is up and running and then we can bitch about it..........


18 March 2010, 1:47 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

BigMuz (New user):

They should roll out the NBN to blackspot areas & rural areas first, and the uptake on the service would be extremely high. As an alternative to ADSL2+ these NBN prices would result in a very low uptake.

Comparing these prices to 3G services (I am stuck with Next G at home for $129 a month for 10GB) I would be ecstatic to pay $129 for 100Mbps!

I am a salaried employee working over the internet, I attempted to work from home, but as there is no ADSL where I live, I have to rent an office in town to get ADSL. Therefore, I am spending almost $700 per month for internet ($400/mth office rental, $129/mth ADSL in office, $129/mth for Next G for home/family internet).

If I could pay $129/mth for the NBN at home, I would save $529 per month (no office rental), or $6348 per year (of my own money)!


18 March 2010, 1:56 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

scarytas (New user):

Would I pay $129.95 for a 100mbps fibre connection?
Absolutely! 100%!
What you seem to forgetis that there are quite a few of us already paying that much because we are on an ADSL2+ plan, but running through a Telstra port.
Fine for you city folk spoilt for choice, but there are thousands of exchanges out there that will only support a single DSLAM provider.


18 March 2010, 2:11 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Simon Shaw (New user):

Hey even some of us city folk are so far from exchanges we get poor speeds. I'm locked to a Telstra port because the Exchange is so tiny they can't put any more gear in and I'm so far away I only get 4.5mbit.

18 March 2010, 3:48 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

LordBug (New user):

How much did broadband cost in Australia when it first started becoming available to the home user, back in the days of 128k & 256k speeds and <10GB plans.

New things tend to cost more.
And really, if you _need_ that sort of speed, I'd suspect you'd have a job paying enough to be able to fund the cost quite easily.

18 March 2010, 3:36 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Simon Shaw (New user):

Considering given my distance to the exchange I can only get 4.5Mbps on an ADSL2+ plan, yes.

18 March 2010, 3:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Antipode (New user):

As a rural user, I'd rather have 10Mbit/sec realistically delivered at a realistic price, than 100Mbit/sec at silly monthly rates with massive oversubscription of upstream links (1000 households == 100Gbit/sec - that's on a par with all the fibre bandwidth coming into Australia).

Instead the NBN chief seems to thinks lots of those awkward rural users can be fobbed off with satellite services. I was on 2-way satellite for years, and for anything other than casual web use the latency and limited upstream bandwidth inherent in the service made it very annoying. Forget online gaming, videoconferencing, or teleworking via a thin client - satellite is a poor cousin to any terrestrial broadband service.

Seems to me that the Fed Govt. should just have pushed through the split of Telstra into infrastructure and retail companies, the way it should originally have been sold off, and then seen what the market managed to deliver in that new climate, instead of promising a costly white elephant that is more than what most people want and yet fails to deliver anything useful to rural areas.

18 March 2010, 3:53 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

JackW@OZ (New user):

Quoting Antipode:
1000 households == 100Gbit/sec

Mate, that's not true. Imagine the road at your frond door are 10 meters wide, is the main road thousands of meters wide? Or the links between big cities have to be thousands of Kms wide?



Quoting Antipode:
NBN chief seems to thinks lots of those awkward rural users can be fobbed off with satellite services.

Agree with you on that mate. Voice you opinion and get them dig up and put the cable through.

Quoting Antipode:
Seems to me that the Fed Govt. should just have pushed through the split of Telstra

Don't get me started on Telstra...a splited Telsra is still Telsra...with the sick mentality of being the owner of our cables...The house was taken over by the servents...



18 March 2010, 4:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

JackW@OZ (New user):

The way the author look at the "SPEED" are too simplistic and naive.

The biggest difference between ADSL2+ and Fibre is that the speed on Fibre can be garanteed at a very high level, i.e. 100Mbps.

Well that may not mean much for someone browsing internet, reading emails and downloading mp3s and movies, but it mean a whole new world for small/medium business who need the fast and stable bandwidth.

All these days the NextG, ADSL2+ or whoever, can only suggest the "theoridical" speed of "up to" 24Mbps, or whatever they can say but in reality it will all depend on the location, the distance, line quality or so forth. And the truth is, NO ONE can get any of these top speed anyway.

Try to find out how much it will cost you to connect a 10 Mbps Ethernet link from your premises to the Internet, and you will be suprised that the iiNet's $129/month for 120GB with 100Mbps are SOOOOO CHEAP.

Come back to the normal consumers world. I have to assume that the author haven't heard about Hulu or others alike, and what does it mean to VOD. Sorry, VOD means Video On Demand, in case the author haven't heard that either. When 100Mbps can be garanteed, who need Foxtel? That business model are out-dated and need to be replaced years ago. When VOD really take off, no one will need to be tied up by a monthly bill of $100 plus and watch those programs they are not interesed. Only buy the TV episodes and Movies you want and watch it straightaway, oh, even better if the Hulu model can make it's downunder.

Furthermore, true HD video conferences, remote medical operations and alikes depend on minimum latency and that will be a big step closer to reality with 100Mbps.
If that's too fancy, stick to the old Skype video calls with 0.3 Mpx probabily good enough, huh?

18 March 2010, 4:29 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

agami (New user):

All speeds are theoretical. Everything is expressed in maximums, under ideal situations, in a vacuum, at sea level on the 45th parallel.

If they're going to use Ethernet, and there's a good chance they will, you're realistically looking at 50% throughput on any quoted bandwidth. Plus, every ISP operates at >10:1 contention ratio, i.e. for every 100+ 100Mbps subscribers they'll have 1Gbps to the net.

Oh, and just like any signal traversing a noisy medium, there is always impedance and attenuation, granted we won't see the kind of drop-offs in speed as with ADSL 2/2+, but the further the light has to to travel the more Ethernet error correction will impact your overall speed.

I know, it's still way better than ADSL. Just don't be upset when the fastest download speed you experience is 5000 kB/s.

18 March 2010, 7:16 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TheMechanic (New user):

I have FTP with Telstra Velocity on a $130 (ex $10 credit)for 100Mb down and 5Mb up for 50GB. Looks like they are emulating Telstra's pricing.

Telstra offer a range but this is the cheapest 100Mb plan. They offer something that is $10-$20 more expensive than there ADSL plans by the look of it for the same monthly download.

I just do it for the latency (30ms to Optus' Sydney server from Cairns) for gaming. I figure I'll use it for movies in the future.

There isn't anything quick enough to test it. But I have an external ONT with 30m of CAT5 between with a good router. I reckon I'd get 80-90Mb/s. Best I have is 65MB from Optus on Speedtest.

If you're browsing only. It's hard to tell above 8Mb/s I reckon.



18 March 2010, 7:24 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

agami (New user):

Quoting TheMechanic:
If you're browsing only. It's hard to tell above 8Mb/s I reckon.

Point well made, and quite true. To use one of my favourite analogies; A single car cannot exceed it's maximum speed irrespective of the number of additional empty lanes a freeway might have.


18 March 2010, 7:36 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Firey1 (New user):

Why the hell are we being referred to the Exetel forum? And why is Exetel mentioned at all? Worst story ever.

18 March 2010, 7:49 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Peter M (New user):

It's great to make your comparisons for price when you live in a metro area, but spare a thought for those of us in regional Australia. I am in Newtown, Qld. The only ADSL 2 on our exchange is Telstra. So given the chance I would gladly jump on board with those NBN access fees. $50 and I don't need a phone line anymore? Bargain!!!

18 March 2010, 8:11 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Peter M (New user):

It's great to make your comparisons for price when you live in a metro area, but spare a thought for those of us in regional Australia. I am in Newtown, Qld. The only ADSL 2 on our exchange is Telstra. So given the chance I would gladly jump on board with those NBN access fees. $50 and I don't need a phone line anymore? Bargain!!!

18 March 2010, 8:11 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Paul K (New user):

Actually the TPG Plan for $90 could be over 1000gig of data, given the "slowed" speed is 4mbsec. I would love to see a similar offer for fiber....

18 March 2010, 8:22 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

agami (New user):

Quoting Paul K:
could be over 1000gig of data, given the "slowed" speed is 4mbsec.

Actually it can't. At 4 Mbps the maximum one could realistically put through is around 16.92 GB per day.


18 March 2010, 8:34 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Paul K (New user):

You should get slightly more then 400k per sec, so 2,592,000 seconds in a 30 day month X 400k = 1.036 terrabytes in a month.

Numbers are sharp, if you juggle them you will get cut...

18 March 2010, 10:22 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

agami (New user):

Quoting Paul K:
You should get slightly more then 400k per sec,

You're dealing in theoretical maximums or lab conditions, in the real world on a 4 Mbps high contention ADSL link it would be difficult to sustain even 200 kB/s for 86,400 seconds per day for 30 days.




18 March 2010, 10:41 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Paul K (New user):

Sorrry, but you are completely and absolutely wrong. I am on that plan, and my BEST conection is under 4mbsec.
Currently it's
Line Rate - Downstream (Kbps): 3968
Since last friday, I have ben testing my connection, and had no problem sustaiming 360k per sec for around 6 days.

I can get almost 380-390, but i limit it to 360 so my browsing and normal internet use isn't impacted. My wife and I play online games, we use VOIP as our only phone, and I have found 360 to be the sweet spot for us.

This isn't an exception, but the rule, for several of my friends, also with TPG.

If you can only get 200k from a 4mb connection either your ISP suxs, or you are using the wrong techniques.

Even using your made up figure of 200k, thats still 500gig a month.

People on the TPG plan which slows them to 2mb are currently downloading at 210k per sec.

Not Bad for $69.95

19 March 2010, 12:16 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Paul K:
Sorrry(sic), but you are completely and absolutely wrong.

it appears you omitted the phrase "in my opinion". Or had you expected all and sundry to accept your opinion, because after all it's yours, and you had it? right?

Quoting Paul K:
This isn't an exception, but the rule, for several of my friends, also with TPG.

until they are slowed yes.



I love these exhaustive scientific evaluations. Me'n'me'mates despite protestations still not being a recognised unit of measure.

Quoting Paul K:
People on the TPG plan which slows them to 2mb are currently downloading at 210k per sec.

Quoting Paul K:
Not Bad for $69.95

depending on your understanding of contention ratios.


19 March 2010, 1:51 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Paul K (New user):

When I look outside and say the sky is blue, I don't say "it's blue in my opinion"
If i look at a picture, and say "thats great art", that would be an opinion.

People (not with TPG) have been going on about contention since TPG introduced the 150g plan. While it has never been a problem in the past, you are correct, it could be a problem in the future. When it it, I'd expect some posts about it. At the moment, its a non issuue for 4mb a sec. I can't speak for people who are closer to exchanges, perhaps their expeience of how much their 10-20mb translates into downloads is differnt to mine, and If I was claiming rates for them, I would express it as an opinion.

My original statement was that you COULD get 1000 gig in 30 days. If you had a dream run, you might even get close to 1200g, which would be close to unobtainable, based on my real life experince. It would assume you could very quickly burn through the 150g of peek download available in the 1st day or so (hope your right next to the exchange) and then 29 days of 400-420k download, with no hicups.

Can we use Telsta/Optus inclusion of uploads as well? Then add 250g to those figures LOL.

Sit in your windowless room, and shout that "the shy is only blue in my opinion" all you want. Is your OPINION of TPGs performance based on your experience on other networks?

My last post on this, have a nice day.

THE SKY IS BLUE!

19 March 2010, 7:26 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

zemm (New user):

All ISPs have contention issues. At work we have ADSL1 with Internode (SOHO 8mbit), but as the local RIM/CMUX/Telstra thingy is badly congested we never get over 300kbytes/s speed and pings to the DNS server are usually 300+ms. In our old premises we had TPG ADSL2+ and often got over 1Mbyte/s; it rarely had any issues - including multiple Skype conversations. Now Skype is almost unusable, even with one person using it. We have been rejected for SHDSL which is a lot more expensive than ADSL, but would have been more reliable. If Fibre will bring up the speeds and increase backhaul then bring it on!


19 March 2010, 10:15 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Quoting zemm:
but as the local RIM/CMUX/Telstra thingy is badly congested we never get over 300kbytes/s speed


You are on a RIM capped to 3mbps. Contention isn't the issue as such (though it's what they are effectively reducing by capping it).

20 March 2010, 3:43 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

zemm (New user):

Quoting Tin:
You are on a RIM capped to 3mbps. Contention isn't the issue as such (though it's what they are effectively reducing by capping it).

I said "never over 300" - usually about 200kbytes/s - I've seen speeds from mirror.internode.on.net as low as 9kbytes/s, and pings to resolv.internode.on.net as high as 600ms, even when no-one is using it (I was checking using tcpdump and only my ping packets where going through the modem). Sometimes Google can time out, or sites are missing assets (like style sheets or images). It is still badly congested - I don't generally get those problems at home and I'm paying ~1/3 the amount for ~3x the quota and ~3x the speed.


21 March 2010, 11:12 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Rock_Solid (New user):

I think you're a tight ass. I think most people, especially those who can't access high speed broadband at the moment would jump at the chance to pay $49.95 a month for a full duplex 25Mbps service or $129.95 a month for a full duplex 100Mbps service with a 120GB download limit. Thats the same price Westnet charge on an ADSL2+ Reach plan with 60GB peak/60Gb off peak. (ie the resold telstra ADSL2+) same quota, 4 times the speed and getting to ditch the PSTN service, and with all that extra bandwidth available a VOIP service should be more reliable than ever..

18 March 2010, 10:04 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Rock_Solid (New user):

I think you're a tight ass. I think most people, especially those who can't access high speed broadband at the moment would jump at the chance to pay $49.95 a month for a full duplex 25Mbps service or $129.95 a month for a full duplex 100Mbps service with a 120GB download limit. Thats the same price Westnet charge on an ADSL2+ Reach plan with 60GB peak/60Gb off peak. (ie the resold telstra ADSL2+) same quota, 4 times the speed and getting to ditch the PSTN service, and with all that extra bandwidth available a VOIP service should be more reliable than ever..

18 March 2010, 10:09 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Rock_Solid (New user):

I think you're a tight ass. I think most people, especially those who can't access high speed broadband at the moment would jump at the chance to pay $49.95 a month for a full duplex 25Mbps service or $129.95 a month for a full duplex 100Mbps service with a 120GB download limit. Thats the same price Westnet charge on an ADSL2+ Reach plan with 60GB peak/60Gb off peak. (ie the resold telstra ADSL2+) same quota, 4 times the speed and getting to ditch the PSTN service, and with all that extra bandwidth available a VOIP service should be more reliable than ever..

18 March 2010, 10:09 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

gwmbox (New user):

There is no way I'd pay $129 for internet access, even if it had unlimited quota... While we are not as big population wise as the USA our Broadband costs are still too excessive, even without the NBN.

I'd also like to hear what the other 10% without the NBN will do, satellite but at the current speeds - and poor connections - that is so bad it is not worth having the net.

18 March 2010, 11:19 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

apt.pupil (New user):

Quoting gwmbox:
There is no way I'd pay $129 for internet access, even if it had unlimited quota...

well then, you must obviously be living close to your exchange to be able to say that. Try living in a place within 3 Km if the exchange address, but having nearly 6Km of copper cabling to get to your address. Only Telstra have been able to guarantee me anything with speeds upward of 1500Kbit/s. In this situation, getting internet priced at $129/m is actually quite reasonable, provided it will deliver what i need most: acceptable ping timings, and a speed which lets you watch online videos without the 3-5 second buffering warm- up, and that doesnt take overnight to download a game purchased through a digital vendor(i hate steam with a passion, but use D2D and EADM)




19 March 2010, 10:25 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

zemm (New user):

Prices will have to come down. When ADSL first came out it was like $90 for 512kbps, then slapped with the 3GB cap. Also TPG's most popular plan would have to be 130GB (with 1Mbps shaping) for $50, which is what I use at home.

19 March 2010, 9:00 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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