Too much security can be overbearing: Microsoft

James Bannan
08 August 2007, 12:03 PM


TECH.ED |Don't overdo security: that's the message from a Microsoft security strategist, who says endless security measures can actually get in the way of getting work done.


Steve RileySteve Riley
TECH.ED | When does too much security become, well, too much? According to Steve Riley, senior security strategist at Microsoft, it becomes too much when the cost of mitigating the risk outweighs the cost of that which you are trying to protect.

Steve's approach to security spans all horizons, not just information technology. He elaborated on this theory in an afternoon session today at Microsoft Tech.Ed entitled "Making the Tradeoff: Be Secure or Get Work Done".

The cost of securing an asset is not simply the absolute cost of purchasing an enterprise firewall or business-wide malware software, according to Riley. It's measured against the current cost of leaving things as they are - if a couple of machines go down every week because of security vulnerabilities, that is a cost which can be measured and taken into consideration. However, if the cost is actually less than the cost of removing the problem, bizarre as it may sound, it might not actually be worth it.

Steve applied this same train of logic to other, more worldly scenarios. Child kidnapping for example - apparently American parents are paranoid about kidnapping, and so forbid their children to talk to strangers. The result, according to Steve, is a generation which can't ask for help when the only source of help is a stranger, and a general and unacceptable reduction in human interaction which is the basis of any civilised society.

He prefers to tell his own kids that "...most adults are kind and honest and will help you if you need helping. But no adult needs your help to find their dog." Teach them to recognise the attacks, rather than react negatively to an imagined fear.

And this goes all the way up to the US's so-called "War on Terror". According to Steve, are any of us really made safer by taking our shoes off to go through metal detectors? Surely X-ray scanners which can see right through people's clothing is an unacceptable breach of privacy? At the very least, do we want to live in a society where this is the accepted norm?

Regardless of the answer to these questions, go back to his approach with children and strangers - recognise the methods of attack, rather than focus on stopping the tools. Why did the September 11 terrorists use planes to destroy the World Trade Centre? Because it was probably the easiest method at their disposal. If a terrorist wishes kill people at an airport, all the security in the world won't stop them from detonating the bomb while waiting in the security lineup.

These are sobering thoughts, and they do make you take a second look at the vast amounts of money and effort going into security "measures" which do much to remove personal liberty and intrude in our daily existence, yet prove remarkably ineffective at actually stopping anyone determined to succeed.

There are direct parallels with ordinary, everyday security. For example, we're always told never to write down our passwords. As Steve put it, "...it's perfectly OK to write your password down, as long as you protect the piece of paper".

This particular section of Steve's presentation dealing with the War On Terror doesn't appear on the US-developed Tech.Ed DVDs -- it was censored and removed.

James Bannan is reporting from Tech.Ed Australia 2007 as a guest of Microsoft.

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Anonymonster:

I get so sick of endless, endless security checks throughout my life. Ring Optus... type in your PIN number, then they still want your name, DOB and breed of pet dog. Get to work. Enter three passwords. Login to a few favourite websites. Enter passwords for all of them. Type in captchas on websites when commenting. Bla bla bloody bla.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

anon:

I agree - we've lost our common sense. These new systems of security checks only end up affecting those people who have to put up with them on a daily basis. Terrorism is set up on the premise that you won't know when it will hit next or what will be affected.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Survivor:

If you were actually in the WTC in NYC on 9-11 you would see this completely differently. I am a survivor of that attack and I say we should be doing more. It is only a matter of time as this country becomes more relaxed after the events of that day that we again see this type of attack against our country. Until then, keep listening to a software designer instead of those versed in the true dangers surrounding terrorism to our free society. Let the anti-government flamers proceed....

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AnonymousHat:

How do we really know you're a survivor of the attacks? For all we know, you could be making it up to further some sinister political motive. Identify yourself!

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

nissim:

I agree with Steve Riley. All this "security" is doing is looking for the attackers at their previous location. The example of a suicide bomber detonating himself just before the security check is perfect. I live in Israel, where many suicide bombers blow themselves up at the security check before entering malls and the like. The long lines there make this is an excellent target.

As engineers, we are taught "root cause analysis" - but no one is brave enough to look at the root causes of terrorism. Personally I would blame religion: belief in anything that is above human life.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

DanMorin:

Hello "Survivor",
Perhaps you should research more on WHO did the attacks on September 11. Before telling others they are ignorants and put all your faith in politicians, should seek the truth. Don't let your emotions cloud your brain.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

BenFranklin:

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
- Benjamin Franklin

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jeff Hodgson:

The point here is that really, if someone wants to blow up a plane, there isn't a whole lot we could do to stop it.

You could walk straight on to a plane with a bottle of nitro glicerin, which would quite effectively wipe a plane out.

And that's not even trying.

At the end of the day, some sort of security is necessary, but then the war on terror isn't really about 'killing terrorists.'

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

nameless:

you cant walk onto a plane with a bottle of nitroglycerin and blow it up the amount youd need to do that would be large enough for them to easily detect it.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Andie:

Your beliefs rest on the assumption that "the terrorists" were responsible for what happened to you on 9/11. If "the terrorists" really "hated us for our freedom," then by us giving our freedoms away, doesn't that mean we handed victory over to them -- with few questions asked?

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

southy:

Survivor - I believe this would be why we have courts - someone affected by a crime never is able to judge resonably about it.

Of course there will be more attacs (most likely), but that is not the point!

The point is, whether the road we are going down is going into the right direction at all.

I mean, the government could do everything they want and even if they were doing a better job, it simply isn't possible to have a complete protection. It is NOT POSSIBLE!
The example with the bomb in the lineup at the security is quite impressive, isn't it? If he's got a decent bomb, he could kill perhaps 50 at once or so like that, so why bother buying a ticket at all?

In the end: thousands of children/people are killed on the streets by car accidents every year - why don't we ban cars?

I mean, there are certainly more car accident victims every year, even in 2001, than victims of 9/11, so if we would simply ban cars, we would save more lifes than by all those anti-terrorist-precautions, right?
So why don't we do it? Because the casualties of traffic are regarded as a necessary price to pay for this way of living.

In the end, what they say is simply true:
Life is always perilous.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous 123:

its all very strange really.. disbalanced.. they get all hyped for a while.. and then it seems like they get gradual anmesia and the security get really relaxed till something else happens. keep basic security..like airport vehicles with a huge barrel of petrol in the back seat should be taken as a HUGE threat.. u dont let this car go in just cause it has nothing strapped to the base of the car..i mean what were they thinking.. its almost funny..and they go off the deep end about not allowing toothpaste on the flights.. ???!!!

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

conner:

We need more rational and critical minds in the boardrooms of the microsofts of the world.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Russell McOrmond:

While I generally agree with this advise, I think Microsoft employees should focus on organizations like the content industry rather than governments and parents. It is clear from the massive changes in Microsoft Vista that falsely claim to secure the interests of third parties (the content industry) from computer owners that the harmful paranoia that he speaks of has become a core design principle for Microsoft operating systems.



A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection
by Peter Gutmann.


Canadians should sign the Petition to protect Information Technology property rights.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous 20:

20% percent of the people do 80% of the work.
That 80% make up stupid 'security rules', when the other 20% understand it's useless to do so, which why 20% didn't do anything, but the 80% feel it's because the 20% don't understand the importance.

And so it continues, that the politicians cater to the majority 'stupid people'.
aka. Global warming is caused by humans.



29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jr:

...believe that we're no safer as a society today as a result of the war on terror? Since when do software security geeks set policy for the country?

Stick to the code, kid, and leave the real issues to the grownups.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ez:

1) No. By-in-large, the "war" is misdirection writ large - "watch over here while our rights are taken away behind closed doors over there."

2) 1776. The "kids" of that time won a revolution so "geeks" as well as people like you could set policy together.

.. from another grown-up.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Odysseus:

I beleive that the actual shooting wars are absolutely reducing our safety. I beleive that many people took many steps individually which did improve security. I beleive that many unneccessary and counter productive things are being done in the name of the GWOT. I beleive that there are many cheaper and more effective options which are not being done which could have been done with the same money.

Why do you beleive that the GWOT is a success?

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

cmonkey:

jr, obviously you believe we are safer as a society due to the "war on terror". Our "grownup" security experts in the intelligence agencies have cold, hard metrics that contradict your claim. If anything, our pre-emptive "defense" policy has proven to provoke resentment, fear, and serve as a general catalyst or lightning rod for violent anti-US sentiment (previously limited to extremist, fringe groups). This is not in our nation's best interest. Not to mention the fact that it got a lot of innocent people maimed/killed (both US military and foreign civilian). If you are referring to the increased domestic security measures, then I would have to agree that some of them were long overdue. But, I believe there is a clear distinction between taking intelligent steps to defend yourself or make yourself less vulnerable versus blatantly attacking a manufactured threat.
Based on the foreign policy debacle we have witnessed over the last 8 years, how could software security geeks do any worse.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

William:

I honestly believe we are LESS safe now. With the wars in Iraq and Afganistan we have alienated a large part of the civilized world. The people who once would be happy to help us (or at least do us no harm) are now angry with us. So the likely hood of attack has increased significantly. Our poor excuses for "security" will be no more of a barrier than DUIs are a barrier to drunk driving.

However the THREAT to our civil liberties is very real. We have prisioners who have served 5 years or more, without being accused of a crime and we have laws authorizing wiretaps without the need for court orders. We should be afraid... very afraid... the terrorist from the Mid-east is the least of my worries.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous2001:

It's people like you, that tell others to basically shut up because their opinions are not worth as much as yours, because you think you are in the know, that are screwing up this country. Who are you anyway, a ditch digger turned expert on terrorism, grown up you surely are not.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jr:

Read below, post a meaningful retort, or STFU. What, exactly, is YOUR opinion?

Your ditch-digging pal,
jr


29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jdickey:

"When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging."

Would that those running the Imperial post-Constitutional United States would either follow that good sense, or come clean to the rest of us about what the true motives are (for those who have not read the history of the regions involved and/or are unfamiliar with the personal/family histories of the key players).

Security theatre is counterproductive. Not only does it frustrate and anger civilians who *ought* to be on the side of those pursuing sensible security measures, but by replacing effective action with farce it removes resources that could be put to productive counter-terror use AND incredibly improves the morale and confidence of the Bad Guys(TM). As Shrub might say, "A three-fer! I guess you-all misunderestimated the value we were giving you!"

And yes, I was in NYC on 9/11; on my way to meet my best friend for lunch before he flew back to Japan where his wife had just given birth to their (last) baby six weeks early. So, "Survivor", I grieve with thee, but unbounded grief has caused more misery in human history than a thousand merely selfish schemers.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

6X7:

We should never respond to an issue head-on; always attack the non-conformists and deride their lack of intelligence. Works for me.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jr:

I don't care what you think, mostly because you've not stated a position. I'll take you up on your implied offer, though, and state mine.

Here's what got my attention...one of the people that has ostensibly made Windows Vista security so invasive is belly-aching about our nation's policy on national security and the war on terror! I'm not convinced that his extrapolation from software security to national policy is relevant, much less worth consideration. In fact, what I see is that this kid has an opinion (as does everyone here, apparently) about the current policy, and has used his position to forward his political views. Get a blog to do your soap-boxing, okay? If I'm paying money to attend Tech.Ed, and you're espousing politics, well - give me my money back.

However, since we've gone and stepped in it, the position that we're no safer as a result of certain security measures and the war on terror just doesn't hold water. We've dismantled and disabled enemy assets, and forced them to cower in caves. As long as they're doing that, then we ARE safer. When's the last time there was a terrorist act on U.S. soil? I agree that taking my shoes off is a pain in the ass, but there IS a precedent for it (does the name Richard Reid ring a bell?). Did someone mention the "civilized world" that we've alienated? The same "cultured" semi-literate, 14th-century fascists who'd sooner cut your head off as kiss you? Not worried about alienating them - they're the enemy (remember, war has enemies).

Here's a shocker: I do like his philosophy about recognizing methods of attack. However, this doesn't mean you can discount the focus on stopping the tools of attack. You have to address both, and that's what some people just can't seem to grasp, mostly because it inconveniences them.

Let's take up that point with a perspective that's actually related to software security: I get pretty aggravated whenever I open up the Control Panel on my own Vista desktop, and get prompted by a security pop-up. It seems stupid and useless to me, since I'm already logged in and authenticated. Yes, I'm sure, so open the damned thing! However, I recognize that it's there for a reason (even though it escapes me at the moment), and I just tolerate it. It seems hypocritical to me that someone who (presumably) helped design this approach has a problem with taking off shoes and passing through a metal detector.


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Anonymous43:

from above:
"all the security in the world won't
stop them from detonating the bomb
while waiting in the security lineup"

But they won't... ever wonder why?

Terrorist are stupid in some ways
- but THEY KNOW explosives.
Even in a tightly packed line in a narrow hallway they cannot achieve their objective as well as they could if they could get it past security.

You may know software, maybe you know software secutrity...
but don't know jack about explosives (or geopolitics).

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ez:

Interesting point. I agree it is VERY important to know where the threat is coming from.

I think there are at least three "kinds" of terrorists. There are 1) those who know explosives, 2) those willing to carry an explosive and die, and 3) those able to orchestrate an attack on the scale of 9/11.

The people in groups 1 and 3 are too valuable (to the terrorist cause) to allow near airports in the US.

So, when we talk about aiport security I think we're dealing with #2. The grim reality it that these folks may know little about explosives. All they may know is objectives: a) point the plane at that spot. If you can't control where the plane is going, b) blow up the plane when everyone is aboard. If you can't get on the plane, c) blow up the people in line.

I don't think airport security is too interested in people who orchestrate terrorist attacks or know explosives. Airport security is interested in heading the martyr off at the pass.

I'd like to hear from somebody who has assessed where the threat is coming from and tell us why what security is doing at US airports will help stop them.

ez


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Peter Robinson:

I'm really not sure which is worse, a bomb going off in a plain or in a security line. Maybe we could just use a little creativity to eliminate the line. For instance, people could get a ticket which says what time to come back at to go through security. The line for the tick would be short because it only takes a second to grab. They did something similar to that at Disney Land when I went. That might not work for malls in Isreal though. The point is you could find a solution that keeps people from having to form a large easy target, like a line. On top of that, people would love not having to wait in line. Shops close to security would also get more business. The computer handing out the tickets could alert security if the wait times are becoming too long so that they could open more scanning stations.

I agree that perfect security is imposible, but we should be doing things like above to help security and not taking fingernail clippers away from people.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Salim:

There is a ever growing misuse of nationalism as a means to silence voices of dissent not only in the US but in many other countries. In most of the cases, it is now being tied to "war on terror". These are the same arguments that many countries are now using to show very hostile face to immigrants and minorities.

Software security has been overblown for quite some time. It has come to the point where upto 25% of computing power in an establishment is used for ensuring security. At the same time, major softcrimes happened due to human error or traditional mode of theft (like pickpocketing).

I consider Steve's statements are very brave, brilliant observation of the state of affairs in security industry. The social comments are on the mark as well. Congratulations...




29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

playerbob:

Sure the war on terror is a bother in our nation now and a task to get on a plane for transportation,but we are dealing with a terriost mind set of whom will kill us at any cost. Are the measures that we are taking working ask a terrioist who has been stoped before bording a plane with explosives in his shoe.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

measured:

What a completely irresponsible and utterly naive attempt at interpreting world politics through a software portal. Perhaps he should have considered a career as an actuary if he wants to spin financial losses against injury. Let's see now, the cost to settle the loss of a few people due to our negligent engineering and subsequent combustion of the gas tank ought to be less than the cost to recall 150,000 cars and fix it so yeah - screw the fix - leave it as it is. (Why doesn't this surprise me coming from an employee of the biggest POS operating system?) And after all, the loss of 3,000 people is trivial compared to the cost of asking people to take their shoes off and all the other inconveniences it's cost us. But remind me again could you please, what was it that we'd done to antagonize these poor unfortunate psychopaths that flew into the WTC or who bombed it in 1993?

Why doesn't he just make it clear for us and state how many people should be lost (or perhaps how many people he knows or loves) before he would consider a 'war on terror' justified and not the product of a malevolent government hell-bent on revoking his right to freely pass through security with his loafers on and the laptop tucked under his arm? And so many people leaping to his defense to so easily condemn our 'conspiratorial' government but not even a hint of condemnation of the countries who actually nurse these psychopaths. Oh yeah, I forgot, it's USA that's nursed them to this end. I never imagined a software geek could be so pathetic and callous.

PS Please mitigate the cost of the next attack that "will make 9/11 pale in comparison". Don't know what that might be as you hide safely before your monitor? Didn't think so.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ez:

A few things Mr. RILEY DID NOT SAY include:
1) The "psychopaths that flew into the WTC" were either poor or unfortunate.
2) Our government was "conspiratorial" or malevolent.
3) The war on terror was not justified.
4) Certain car re-calls are not needed.
5) He wears loafers or carries a lap-top.

All Riley really said was the current security practices at airports are not cost-effective. We may be thowing out the baby with the bath water.

I do not agree with Mr. Riley, either. I don't think terrorists want "to kill people at an airport." Likewise, I don't agree with Mr. Hodgson that terrorists want to "blow up a plane." I think airport security (in the US) is designed more along the lines of "keep 'em off the plane so they can't use it as a weapon."

So, we have two issues here. Which of these three threats are more likely? After all, we have learned in this discussion that killing people in lines is a real threat some places in the world. Bit, I agree with Survivor - we need to access "true dangers."

What can be done that is effective? I'd like to hear somebody "weigh in" on this discussion that knows something about airport security.

ez



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Anon:

"All Riley really said was the current security practices at airports are not cost-effective."

Ok, granted I used some license of my own but he surely said a lot more than just that as the writer intimates on more than one occasion in the article and makes it clear, in my mind, how Mr. Riley feels about the "imagined fear" of terrorism. If Mr. Riley hadn't meant that, then I'm sure he would have chimed in already as a mischaracterization of the interview.

As it was intended, I think, as a somewhat (pseudo) technical article, the writer restrained himself to limit the political commentary and keep it as palatable as possible. But some of the rabid follow up posters finished the article where he left off.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ez:

Thank you very much. I appreciate your taking a step back and looking at how you said what you did.

The intent of my comment was two-fold: to cool things off a little and focus logically on parts of the concerns that we can deal with.

I guess it didn't surprise me but I was very alarmed at the "rabid follow up posters" ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE. In other words I wasn't picking on you in particular. In fact you will find another posting of mine in the mix doing the same kind of thing.

I sure would like us to get past this "hot under the collar" system of dialog. We keep responding that way to each other and the terrorists will have won.

ez


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Anonymousss:

Uhh...the USA did nurse these "psychopaths" genius. Take ten minutes to research how many convicted terrorists were at one time US intelligence assets or were sold arms by the US. We interfere in foreign governments, fund and carry out assassinations and regime changes, and we wonder why these people hate us. The CIA has created the hatred that fuels many of these terrorists, and our GWOT is the best recruitment incentive any terrorist organization could ever offer. Terror is manufactured so that democratic, free nations can be made into totalitarian police states. It's happening right now. It's not on the horizon, it's here, and we need more people like Riley to expose the lies we are constantly fed by the establishment media and our own criminal, corrupt government. It isn't about protecting us, it's about manipulating and exploiting us.

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Anonymous2:

"...and we wonder why these people hate us" Perhaps a better question is why do YOU hate us so much?

"Terror is manufactured so that democratic, free nations can be made into totalitarian police states."

Above is a good indicator of your dementia. Just to qualify the extent of your dementia for us could you please answer this question: Was the fall of the WTCs a controlled demolition planned by the government?



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anoher view:

First, I'm surprised of how much you wrote and how little you have said. I'll resume your whole post in a single sentence: "People's lives are priceless and no cost is little for their safety". That's something I completely agree on. But what it's being told here is not the opposite, but that the efforts taken are not the best ones.
For instance, the "line up" example is undeniable: long lines are perfect terrorism targets for anyone willing to blow up a bomb there. I guess you've seen on the news that most attacks are made on the street (like bomb cars).
Airport security has been strengthened, alright. But tell me if this is not paranoid and stupid: they check that every common item you take is what it's meant to be (a pen is a pen and not a bomb), but they let you go in with matches and lighters (Just so you know, matches or a lighter + spray deodorant = instant flamethrower). So, are you still thinking the measures taken are perfect?
Another point is that "war on terror" means that: on "terror", not on "some other country on the other side of the world", and you know what I'm talking about. Just for you know, I rather have my taxes spent on public education than on fighting and fixing some other country on the other side of the world. Because, if you didn't know, more americans have died on that war than those who would have died on a terrorist attack (which, by the way, wouldn't have occurred because of all the enhanced measures, right?). So, how many people has to die on war so less people die where you are?

PS: Learn to separate opinions from prejudice. If a kid comes and says "the sky is blue", will you disbelief the truth of that sentence just because it's said by a kid? Instead of thinking "who said this?", ask yourself "could this be right, and how?".

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nameless:

dude your such a master of fire lighter + spray deoderent = a flamethrower you cant bring matches or lighters or aresol cans on a plane they DONT check pens last time i was on a plane all the safety measures were reasonable or would you rather anyone be allowed to walk onto a plane and blow it up any rather smart person could do that. you may say oh these security measures wont stop an organized group of people willing to do anything to blow up the plane we should just get rid of them so that inorganized people who arent willing to do anything can also do it cuase if we cant stop everyone then we should try to at all. and i agree i would rather taxs go to public education and stuff then fighting a nation on the other side of the world but id also not like to go do the dishes that dosent mean it shouldnt be done. even though more americans have died in the war on terror then died before whos to say that more wouldnt have died. alot of people have been saying that even with these super enhanced secuity measures people can still get by with bombs and such all the ways ive seen that people have said they could do it arent possible + it was said in the article that they have xray machines that can see through peoples clothes so it takes away you liberty last time i heard somebody say that was a 12 year old kid who didnt understand long exposure to xrays gives can give you cancer thats why you wear a lead sheild in the dentists office.

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Anonymous56:

To Nameless:
That was the worst grammar I have seen in a long time. If you really want people to take you seriously you should write well enough for them to be able to read it. I mean honestly, I have no idea what you were trying to say.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anon:

Seems pretty clear to me that the premise of the article is that too much effort is made, at considerable cost, of measures which have little return value in his opinion. In case you missed it:

"However, if the cost is actually less than the cost of removing the problem, bizarre as it may sound, it might not actually be worth it.

Steve applied this same train of logic to other, more worldly scenarios. Child kidnapping for example - .... Teach them to recognise the attacks, rather than react negatively to an imagined fear.

And this goes all the way up to the US's so-called "War on Terror"."

Perhaps this was a bit of license on the journalist's part to portray as such but its underlying philosophy (so-called "War on Terror") has clearly been embraced by some rabid posters.

As for your post:
"Because, if you didn't know, more americans have died on (sic) that war than those who would have died on a terrorist attack (which, by the way, wouldn't have occurred because of all the enhanced measures, right?). So, how many people has (sic) to die on (sic) war so less people die where you are?"

As badly as the Iraq theatre has been bungled are you arguing that there is never a reason for war?

We should have cut our losses in WW2 to the 2,000 lost in Pearl Harbor rather than lose what 300,000? The "Final Solution" of the Nazis should have been an acceptable loss considering the final losses of WW2 against Nazi aggression or Japanese savagery of the Chinese, Koreans?



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syn:

Dudes, this 'security speak' coming from a Microsoft senior security strategist who is overwhelmed with infectious computer viruses is lame.

I cannot wait until current system dies so I can buy a Mac and be done with Gates crappy product.



29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymoose:

I once met a Dutchman while travelling abroad who never locked or secured eny of his stuff. He claimed that he had calculated the amount of time he spent managing passwords, locking and unlocking doors, making copies of keys, buying bicycle locks, etc. at about 3 years.

To some extent I agree with him. I don't lock my car or house. Sure someone has gone through my car a few times, but they quickly discovered that there's not much of value in it. And there's not that much stuff in my house that I could live without. When I get home, I just open the door and walk right in.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tim Polmear:

To misquote Alexei Sayle:

When I was a kid you could leave your key in the front door, and when you came back...someone would have pinched all your stuff.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

KENNETH W. LOGAN (New user):

I BELIEVE IT IS MY FAULT (I AM A 90 YEAR OLD USER AND PROBABLY PUSHED THE WRONG BUTTON) SUBJECT IS SECURITY. IF I LEAVE MY COMPUTER THAT IS, DON'T DO ANYTHING ON MY COMPUTER FOR 15 MINUTES OR LESS, I AM THEN DISCONNECTED FROM THE INTERNET FOR SECURITY REASONS. PLEASE, PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO GET THIS STOPPED. KWLO@COX.NET 478-922-0071

30 October 2008, 3:56 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AnthonyMiller (New user):

Let us write to the top of the C drive in Windows 7!
Let us run an XBAP without having to click once!
These things that stop the user doing things are actually a fig leaf for not really having any security at all.
You know where's really secure? In prison.

27 August 2011, 2:29 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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