Tough luck: MS on Aussie Vista

Nathan Davis
20 December 2006, 3:10 AM


Why does Media Center suck so much, particularly for the Australian audience? We asked Microsoft and were graced with an anonymous spokesperson response.


Several weeks back we took a close look at the Media Center that comes packed with Windows Vista Ultimate and Home Premium.

We discovered a half-arsed application in comparison to others that are available, particularly for Australians. Fundamental features of modern home theatre applications were either missing or severely hacked down.

In the words of APC reader, William K, "What is the point of spending extra [for a home theatre application] which has free alternatives?"

We quizzed Microsoft on these issues. Almost a month later, the company responded but specifically asked us to attribute the comments to 'a Microsoft spokesperson.' Saddle up.

Because it wasn't immediately obvious to us, we first asked what Microsoft had improved in the new Media Center over previous editions.

Aside from some spectacularly vague areas such as "improved search and organisation" and "an improved navigation model", the Microsoft spokesperson didn't seem to convey to us that Microsoft had improved much.

It does reckon, however, that the interface was a significant improvement, as subjective as that may be. It mentioned "pivots".

Closed-caption teletext and DVB subtitle services don't exist in Media Center. The spokesperson said Microsoft didn't have time to implement these, but it hopes to add them in future.

The new Media Center supports a program guide, but not for Aussies. The spokesperson says Microsoft was unable to get support from broadcasters for such a feature.

Admittedly, this isn't Microsoft's fault, as the commercial telly networks dispute the legality of permitting PVRs to use electronic program guides.

It's worth noting that a third-party service, IceTV, can provide a TV guide that it claims is independently created that works with XP's Media Centre (and, presumably Vista's), but you have to pay for it, and it is embroiled in a court case with a commercial TV network, so it's not necessarily the long-term answer, either.

You can plug in as many TV tuners as you like, however Media Center can only use two at any one time. We asked why, but the Microsoft spokesperson simply preached to us on how wonderful it is that "Media Center supports multiple TV tuners."

The spokesperson used the word ecosystem. Pass the bucket.

Microsoft ignored our question about the lack of pre-calculated Aussie tuning frequencies. Elsewhere in the world, you simply enter your postal or Zip code and Media Center downloads the appropriate channel information for your area. This is much faster than detecting each channel.

When we came to the appalling lack of Picture-in-Picture support, the Microsoft spokesperson first chose to dodge our question by claiming it already has PiP support, with the current-playing media following you around the menu system.

Actually, it doesn't go everywhere -- the main menu, for example -- but let's ignore this for now.

Why can't we view two shows at once? The Microsoft spokesperson responded, "viewing a video within a video is not allowed at this time."

Not allowed. Not allowed?! That's right, kids, you're not allowed to have that. It's probably quite easy to implement, but it's unreasonable to expect functionality that at least mirrors other available theatre applications and all that nonsense.

According to APC reader, McBanjo, "... until Microsoft starts changing and listens to what people want, they can stay out of my lounge room and out of my life."


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aubrey.conversely:

I hate to side with MS, but on this one they have probably got their priorities right. Why bother investing in improved TV technology for Oz when the content isn't there?

I mean, really - when PiP means being able to watch "A Current Affair" and "Neighbours" simultaneously? Or maybe you want to record "Dancing With the Stars" while you watch "Australian Idol"? Hmmm. And why bother recording anything at all when it will be repeated a month later anyway?

No, they're doing us all a favour.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

Cant you be satisfied with the features that are in there.

windows is firstly an OS, if you want diferent features in any of the bundled apps, purchase a 3rd party app that has the features you want.

your ramblings are akin to winging that Paint does not have all the features of photoshop.

I use media centre 2005 (with an EPG service) and its a much better experience than simply using my analogue tv alone.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Martin Barr-Daid :

There is an another alternative which heaps better and it's free Myth TV powered by linux

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

I expect more from APC than this undergraduate anti-Microsoft ramble. Nathan, at least Vista is the first OS to incorporate a Media Center app for the masses. If you don't like it go find yourself a more specialised one for your needs, of which there are now plenty. Grow up.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

"First OS to incorporate a media app"? You Microsoft PR people should get out more!
Than undrgraduate ramble to which you refer has long become an across the boards roar it's not just spotty Herberts in dank bedrooms who are reacting negatively to Microsoft telling us whats allowed on OUR PC's!

29 February 2008, 8:34 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

it seems that the people from apc can't seem to make anybody happy. if they bag a microsoft product they get complaints from the M$ fanboys and if they praise one of their products they get complaints from the linux fanboys. i suggest u all grow up

29 February 2008, 8:35 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tin:

If you think MS have done a good job, go back and look at the price tag.
You will be paying rediculous amounts of money just to get the flakey, limited media center thing. For a box that is (in most cases) only going to sit in the lounge room and be used for TV and DVDs, it's a bit of a waste to spend hundreds on the rest of Windows and that bit extra on the limited app to watch TV.
If you must have Windows, get the basic version and put a freeware HTPC app on there. It'll save heaps of cash AND it'll do more.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tony Brown:

I can't understand why everyone is complaining. I mean if you want to watch TV get off your seat,go into the living room where you have your Plasma/LCD/Widescreen connected to your mega-watt hi-fi system and go for it.
I may listen to a few CD's when I'm working on the PC but I don't rely on it to be the centre of my entertaintment centre.
I get enough heartache with basic Media Player 10.I'm certainly not going to waste my time with Media Center which it seems works like a big piece of lead.
Nuff said :)Merry Xmas To All :):):):)
Tony Brown

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

Just like everyone else, microsoft ain't all perfect. They still have their flaws and gains, so stop trying to pick on Microsoft. Why make it so much of an issue if media centre does not work? Just like Tony said, whey watch tv on your 20" LCD if you can on your big arse plasma with 7.1 dolby surround sound? Linux has a lot more to do before it can come close to user friendliness, compatibilty and looks.

29 February 2008, 8:35 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

drew:

Not allowed? What does that mean?

Channel Nine doesn't like IceTV...I asked why already and got the same response.

MCE does indeed support up to 4 digital/HD tuners but you have to edit the registry. The UI has been improved heavily and looks better than MCE2005 which I use heaps.

Be nice if MS paid attention to Australians rather than the f**king Americans.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

epgStream.net:

You've got a great medium here for the delivery of quality news and information, but "What the ...?".

"We discovered a half-arsed application in comparison to others that are available, particularly for Australians."

You probably should have included some information about those "other" applications and their features to make your article a little more balanced, otherwise your article kinda looks ... "half-arsed".

Viva la Mac! Viva la PC! Every home should have both! :)

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

McBanjo:

Yay, I'm famous! Though I still stand by what I said.

But it's all good for Microsoft because I have the perfect plan to redeem all of Microsoft's losses from this and any past frowned-upon events. And they would be wise to hear my advise. Free Vistas for everyone!!! Do I hear everyone's support for this?

A Gift: something which is given without the expectation of anything in return.

Why wouldn't Microsoft do this? Oh right those damn share holders. Tell them there's been some minor technical issues when they tried to make the world a better place. I mean if Microsoft wasn't a big problem in the world, no one would be complaining about them. Tell me the last person who complained about Linux ever existing? Can you say the same about Microsoft?

Hey come to think of it, if they did that Vista's MCE wouldn't be half-bad.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

I was very disappointed with this article as I feel that it is just
nit-picking. "half-arsed application in comparison to others that are available" is pure garbage. I have tried many and like it or not Microsoft's offering is one of the best available. I am not suggesting the the Microsoft offering is great just that it is better than most others and possibly the best.

The Guide issue is the fault of the Oz media and their copyrights not Microsoft. Who cares if you have to scan channels instead of a entering a postcode you only need to do it once.

mythtv would be the only app that can compare but for most users it is just to hard to get going.

"You can plug in as many TV tuners as you like, however Media Center can only use two at any one time." this is incorrect there are plenty of users using more than 2. Just need to check a few forums and there are guides on how to do this.



29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

Nathan you've hit the nail on the head there! Not Alowed has been the common Microsoft theme! So I've decided Microsoft is Not Allowed on any media box of mine. I'm with you McBanjo.


29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

This isn't intended as an anti-M$, pro-linux pfanboyism, but can someone tell me why everyone hasn't dumped Microsoft already and picked up a Linux distribution or some other operating system?

I just don't get why so many people seem so willing to pay through the nose for a less-than-satisfactory operating system when there are so many viable and free (or at least substantially cheaper) alternatives.

Is it the learning curve? Compatibility? They're the only two reasons I can think of.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

the reason everyone keeps conforming to microsoft products, is because its been a learning curve since the product became GUI. People just refuse to drop what they have been used to. The rise of apple and linux and others is upon us

29 February 2008, 8:34 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

DJM:

Yep it's the "learning curve". I decided to try using ubuntu (booted off apc August dvd) to see if I could watch some avi movies that my aging pc (pentium 3 800 Mhz) just seemed to have problems keeping in sync with the audio. Despite a claim of "improved video" it would not even play a simple avi file. It would not even let me see files on my main (ntfs formatted) drives, although files on my USB ntfs drives were visible. I don't mind having to do some "tweaking" to get things working, but this is just the most simple basic functionality and it was totally missing. Yeah, linux will rule the world when it gets simple things right. This sort of experience justs puts people off.

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