Virgin Broadband poised to slaughter Telstra's landline profit

Dan Warne
26 July 2007, 8:41 AM


Has Telstra finally met its nemesis? The official launch of Virgin's broadband and home phone service today made something very clear: if Telstra thought its landline monopoly was under threat from capped mobile plans, it ain't seen nothing yet.


Virgin Broadband's 3G modem: with a landline phone, ethernet cable and power plugged in. Virgin Broadband's 3G modem: with a landline phone, ethernet cable and power plugged in.

Has Telstra finally met its nemesis? The official launch of Virgin's broadband and home phone service today made something very clear: if Telstra thought its landline monopoly was under threat from capped mobile plans, it ain't seen nothing yet.

Virgin Broadband's home phone and broadband service is the first 'wireless landline' in Australia (and in fact one of the first in the world) offering clearly superior value to wired landlines.

At no up-front cost, Virgin supplies a 3G/HSDPA modem that includes a standard analogue telephone port, an ethernet port and a WiFi router. For a $60 monthly fee, you get unlimited calls to landlines nationally and unlimited free calls to Virgin Mobiles.

Calls to other mobiles (Optus/Telstra/Vodafone) or international numbers are charged at 45c per minute, in 30 second blocks (22.5c per 30 seconds, though presumably the minimum is one minute), which is the main downside, but for many people, this won't be a concern, because they'll simply use their mobile to call other mobiles (or, Virgin Mobile hopes, convince family and friends to switch to Virgin.)

But here's the kicker -- as part of your $60 fee, you get 4GB of broadband internet at average speeds of 512Kbit/s, with an upper limit of 700Kbit/s. It puts Telstra BigPond's 200MB $29.95 plan to shame, with 20 times more usage allowance and no excess usage fees (Telstra charges $150/GB once you exceed your piddling 200MB.)

Is it fair to compare Virgin's $60 plan to Telstra's $29.95 plan? Absolutely -- you can't get Telstra's plan without paying line rental tax as well of at least $20 a month, and more commonly, $30. And that's before you've made any calls.

Furthermore, renters will love the fact that you don't have to pay line connection fees, nor relocation fees if you move.

The fact that the whole thing is delivered over the Optus 3G network doesn't put you at any disadvantage (apart from the fact that your home phone won't work if there's a blackout and the modem has no power): Virgin Broadband also gives you a regular landline telephone number so that people can call you at regular landline prices, even though the calls are carried over the mobile network. You can choose to keep your existing home phone number if you want, and have that ported over to your Virgin Broadband home phone connection.

Of course, a 4GB download allowance is not enough for anyone who needs to do P2P or large downloads such as multi-disc ISOs. But let's face it -- the number of people who need large data allowances is far outweighed in multiples by the massive number of people who just want to get always-on internet for email, web and YouTube as cheaply as possible. it's those people that are always nagging us techies for advice on the best value plans, and until recently, there hasn't been a whole lot of good value plans in the sub-$30 space.

Another group that will probably find Virgin Broadband's home service attractive is companies that have staff regularly travelling around Australia who need internet access at their destination, but not necessarily while they're on the move with their laptop. Paying $60 a month is cheap compared to the $30-per-day broadband charges from hotels, and it also stacks up extremely well against other wireless broadband services. For example, Three, which has briefly held the crown of best-value mobile broadband provider, only offers 2GB for $60, and that's not including any calls.

At the Virgin Broadband press launch today, a company spokesman said that people who signed up for the home broadband service would be free to take their modem anywhere they liked and use it from a data perspective.

There is a downside to the home service though: customers are only allowed to make calls in a small radius around their registered 'home' location, because the Australian Communication and Media Authority (ACMA) requires providers who issue landline numbers to customers to ensure the service is used at its registered address. Virgin Mobile says if customers stray from their home zone with the home broadband modem and start making calls, it will ring them to query if they have changed address.

The second deal: $80 mobile cap offers $520 calls, 1GB broadband


The other package being offered by Virgin Broadband is a mobile package for people with a laptop who want access on the move. It costs $80 a month and also requires you to sign up to a two-year contract.

Subscribers to this plan get a new mobile handset -- an HSDPA Nokia 6120 -- and $520 worth of calls a month at fairly standard capped-plan rates (40c per 30 seconds with a 30c flagfall).

The deal also includes a USB laptop dongle from Belgian company Option, with a 1GB usage allowance. (Mac users will be pleased to know that the dongle works on Mac OS X, and of course it works on Windows, though there is no official Linux support.)

The main downside here, of course, is the 1GB usage limit rather than the more generous 4GB limit of the home broadband service. It remains to be seen whether it's technically possible to use the SIM card that comes with the home broadband service in another 3G device to get 4GB of usage while on the go.

Officially, Virgin Mobile says it's not possible to take the SIM card out of the home broadband modem and put it into the laptop dongle, but then again, Telstra also says it's not possible to use a BigPond Wireless desktop modem SIM card in one of their USB laptop modem dongles, which is simply not the case.

Also, the 1GB usage allowance is not shared across the laptop dongle and the phone handset -- if you want to use web and email on your phone, you need to subscribe to one of Virgin Mobile's bolt-on data packs: $5 per month for 50MB or $10 for 300MB.

True plug and play: Unwired killer?


Unwired modem: dubbed "the rabbit"Unwired modem: dubbed "the rabbit"
There's no doubt that the easiest-to-use wireless device on the Australian market until today has been the Unwired pre-WiMax modem which you simply switch on to get a connection to the network. Customers simply plug it in to their computer via ethernet or buy a separate WiFi router and share the Unwired connection around their house wirelessly.

The problem with Unwired is its coverage: although it supposedly has blanket coverage across Sydney and surrounds, the reality is that it's often not possible to get any coverage at all in apartment blocks where there are lots of brick walls. Unwired uses 3.5GHz spectrum, which doesn't penetrate buildings terribly well. As a rule of physics, the higher the radio frequency, the poorer its range and penetration.

And then there's the problem that Unwired is predominantly available in Sydney. In Melbourne, its coverage is much more limited, and it's not in other states at all.

In contrast, Optus' 3G network, on which the Virgin Broadband service runs, is a standard 2.1GHz service, which achieves considerably better in-building penetration. Optus is also looking at 900MHz (0.9GHz) for its new HSDPA network, currently being built to cover 96% of Australia's population, and if it goes with this, the Virgin Broadband service will get a terrific coverage boost.

Virgin Broadband's home modemVirgin Broadband's home modem
Virgin Broadband's home 3G modem/router is an undeniably superior device to the Unwired modem. It provides a virtual landline (complete with standard Telstra dialtone) and works with any regular landline phone you may have already have plugged into the wall at home, including cordless models.

Calls are not carried over VoIP -- they're circuit-switched calls carried over the Optus mobile network, so the sound quality is very good and not subject to the vagaries of TCP/IP latency and jitter that can undermine the quality of VoIP calls. In fact, even if you live outside of Optus 3G coverage, you can still get the Virgin Broadband home service and simply use it for phone calls, because the 2G network is equally capable of handling the calls. (You'll get internet access too, actually, but only at ponderously slow GPRS speed, which is generally slower than dialup.)

When the device is shipped to you, it comes with the Virgin Mobile SIM card pre-installed, so all you have to do is plug it in to power and plug in your phone and computer. There's no stuffing around with configuring usernames and passwords, PPP settings, or any of that.

The only thing that needs some configuration is the inbuilt WiFi, for which the user must obviously choose an encryption key and network name. Confoundingly, Virgin Mobile has written an excellent user manual [2.9MB PDF - shows user interface screenshots] to go with the modem that explains how to set up wireless on all your home PCs, but somehow managed to largely overlook the process of setting it up in the modem itself. Hopefully this omission will be fixed by the time the service launches in the first week of August.

Note: we've now published a full review.  


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redeemed:

I can't believe that wireless internet people can actually afford is finally here!! Woot!! I'm not a heavy 'net user, but I live in the country of NSW about 360 kms west of Sydney; however I'll probably be moving house to Sydney in a few months and hopefully I can get this plan. Thanks for really up-to-date news, and I can't wait for your reviews tomorrow.

The pdf link (http://apcmag.com/system/images/virgin.pdf) doesn't seem to be working. Maybe you can fix that? Also, are there any wireless coverage availability maps that we can check ? Thanks again for this review. :)

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Whoops -- sorry about that. It's fixed now. (Click the link in the story as I'd got the linked URL wrong.)

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

redeemed:

Thanks for that.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Colin:

Hi,
I am thinking of changing to Virgin's new home phone and internet deal which I think is great, and as I am afraid of change and being a pensioner I would like to ask, is there any difference to the normal home phone or is there a delay, and do I have to tell everyone my new phone number or can they still phone up on the old number until Virgin Takes over in a months time and takes my old number across.

Thanks for your help
Col

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jmacko:

I have this and am very happy, though all P2P speeds are limited to 128kb/s- which is an actual donload speed up to 16kb/s.
After downloading the 4gb per month you are limited to 128kb/s which kinda sucks but I still use about 10GB in one month...

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jim Stewart:

How will it be possible to transfer an existing landline number to Virgin's broadband and home phone service?

I expect Telstra will say its not possible. But what is truth? I hope Optus/Virgin will soon tell all!

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Any carrier that offers landline services (including VoIP carriers) are able to port numbers over -- nothing Telstra can do to stop it. 

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Adam:

I wonder if the Home unit can roam as long as you don't "make calls".

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

They were saying today that that scenario would be OK.


29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dennis:

hi dan, you mentioned that the modem can be mobile to use internet only and not 'make' calls...but can it recieve calls whilst outside 'home' area..if so is there additional charge for both users (sender and receiver)..many thanks ..well done to virgin to provide a service at a reasonable cost...dy

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

DWProctor:

I am very interested in the 3g options that Virgin are putting forward. I went to htt://www.virginmobile.com.au and cannot see any mention of these new plans?

Nor can I see any mention of their 3g coverage maps. I can only assume it will be the same as optus since it uses an Optus backbone. http://urltea.com/12h2

Also what do they define as acceptable usage? I would like to see the fine print and what costs are involved in moving addresses etc? Say from Hornsby to Botany etc?

thx DAVE..

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

The website is http://www.virginbroadband.com.au -- though it's not fully live yet. 

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jason Torrento:

Now Telstra will be blaming Virgin for..

Innovating ?

Heh. Funny that.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

It certainly will be interesting to see how Telstra tries to attack Virgin Mobile for doing this. I'd lay money on the fact that Telstra will try some attack strategy rather than simply trying to compete (mainly because it can't compete on price with this service -- there's way too much money tied up in those line rentals and landline call revenues). 



29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Michael :

Its using Optus's 3G network, so its only available in places where for 60 bucks , you can get a telstra home line at 20 bucks, and pay 40 to some dlsam provider and get a lot more that 3gigs.

As far as their landline pricing goes, as they said "most people use their mobiles these says", the only reason to have a landline is to get ADSL.

Plus telstra have a product like this for regional users off the Next G network, where Virgin can't go.

Also wonder if Voda and Optus have considered how much pressure this will put on their fledging 3g network, im not sure if even 1% of telstra's landline market went to this product they could handle the data.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Quite right, but you also have to look at connection fees, relocation fees if you move, and phone calls on top of your $20 + $40. 

This service is obviously not pitched at people who need large volumes of downloads -- ADSL is better value. But the point is, most people don't need more than 4GB.



29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mr J Orage:

Cant help being a cynic but out of curiosity how much advertising space has/is being sold to Virgin? Appropriate disclosure is essential when one reads very enthusiastic reviews/reports.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

DanL:

At least this isn't another "Ooh look at my new iPhone that can't work in Australia" article.

This news offers some real hope to individuals that cannot get (or cannot justify/afford) an ADSL connection when in reality they dont need a landline (read: me and thousands of other customers with their arms twisted firmly behind their backs!) as well as road warriors who could utilise the data connection to do serious (read: Not iBurst/Unwired) downloading when offsite.

I cannot see 'Virgin' branded advertising in the same way I cannot see Apple branded advertising... However Apples' coverage for weeks now has been above normal!

Finally, a company who has utilised technology to the advantage of the consumer, not the other way around.
We need to know this when it happens and how it will benefit us.
If Virgin pay for that privalege, then so be it.

Good on them!! I know I will join ASAP... I can already feel that euphoria of further disconnecting myself from the Tesltra network... It is almost complete!!!

Dan

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC administrator:

None that I'm aware of. We don't get enthusiastic about advertisers ... take a look at our coverage of Dodo, which runs banner ads on our site for that very service that we absolutely panned.



29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Get Serious:

Big deal - 4 Gig at emailing speeds. What's happened to your normal definition of broadband? Sure plenty of ISPs offer 256k speeds - but only as an email or occassional surfing service. I use Telstra's next G around the country and get average 1Mbps speeds. And this story downplays that the phone calls are voip - with the inherent poor quality and issues like no calls when the power is out.

And how is customer service being provided? Out of Mumbai?

This will appeal to very few people. i doubt Telstra will lose any sleep. Sure they cost more, but you get a lot for your money. This Virgin offer sounds like a loss-leader to grab market share. In reality there is only a small market for a product like this.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC administrator:

I dd a brief speed test yesterday -- about 540Kbit/s downstream and around 350Kbit/s upstream -- that is MUCH faster than Telstra 256/64. 

The phone calls are not VoIP; this story specifically points out that they are circuit switched.

Customer service is not out of Mumbai -- it's based in North Sydney (I asked that question myself yesterday.)

I reckon you should read the story a bit more carefully and possibly try the product using their 30 day money back guarantee before canning the service. 



29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Aubrey.conversely:

"Sure they cost more, but you get a lot for your money. This Virgin offer sounds like a loss-leader to grab market share. In reality there is only a small market for a product like this."

You can't be serious. I am not even in the target group (I need far more than 4Gb/month), but this got me interested in Virgin as an additional service to my current broadband. I have done very well, thank you, out of loss-leaders in the past - I am still on a great plan I got three years ago that lasted about six-months before the ISP made new plans more restrictive. It certainly looks like a good deal to me, especially if you can actually give up your landline rental - and don't under-estimate the "Anything but Telstra" factor.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Phillip James:

I have a sneaky feeling this one was posted by a Telstra Staff member...Talk about worried!!!

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

I had that sneaky feeling too ;-) 



29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Powergrade:

You conveniently forget that there are many of us WHO CANT GET ADSL in any way shape or form, so your belittling of what is a genuine godsend to people stuck on dialup shows little thought of what others have or dont have.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ed:

I went to their site early this morning and filled out the form to express my interest.... the page comes back with an error. Just now I tried to get into their site and now it can't find the server! Maybe they are flooded ?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Liperty:

Yes, its good to see Telstra get a kick in the teeth, but the fact that this may be a giant killer only goes to show how truly pathetic our giant is. 512k BITS per second equates to around 64K BYTES per second. So to give you some idea... of BEST CASE scenarios

2 meg image from camera - 31 seconds
6 meg MP3 - 94 seconds
700 meg disc ISO - 3.04 HOURS

Broadband in this country is a disgrace. No wonder we all have to drive into the city to get anything done. If we could share data, communicate and have REAL broadband there would be benefits for business, education, transport, the environment etc.etc. I only wish there was a player willing to provide a REAL broadband network - 100Gbit, not the trickle of flity capped data we are fobbed off with today. You are led to believe fibre optics are crafted in heaven and cost a fortune - they do not, but while there is no real competition - we get to choose between slow and slightly less slow and fork out the same money for something 1/200th the speed availble in Europe, the US, South Korea etc.etc.

It's an improvement on the ADSL1 most people suffer.. but we have so much further to go. Complain to your local MP and let them know it's not good enough.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC administrator:

Yes, that's true, 512Kbit/s is fairly rudimentary broadband speed. But then, a heck of a lot of people are still using dialup. We all know someone that we've been trying to convince to move to broadband... and is put off by the setup costs etc!

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

sour grapes:

Not to mention the people that want broadband but cant get it because of distance and/or line quality or should I say "lack of line quality"

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tim:

512 might not seem fast for most people, but I cannot get adsl or cable & satellite is too expensive. The best plan I have found that suits my needs is $75 per month for 5 gig. So this is great value for me. Does anyone know if you can just use the broadband side of it without making phone calls and no incur any penalties?

By the way it may sound like I live in the simpson desert but I acually live in the heart of Australias 6th biggest city (The Gold Coast) and am stuck with 28.8kps dialup, Broadband in this contry is a joke.

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Nash Pilling:

Have you looked into the 3 network I understand that it is available in the Gold Coast area. i use it for wireless broadband and am ditching Bigpond when my plan runs out. I also use 3 for mobile and now can run Skype on my mobile for free Skype call world wide.
Nash

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

lintilla:

As someone who lived in the US until 2 years ago, I agree. Broadband in Aus is in a WOEFUL state. :(

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

gld:

Are calls to 13 and 180 numbers also free on the $60 plan? What about non-geographic VoIP numbers (0550 or whatever they've recently been allocated)? I can't think of any other "local-rated" ranges offhand, apart from 0198.
I assume non-Virgin mobiles are at pretty serious gouge rates (like those in the $80 plan).


29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mick:

But I think 13 numbers are charged at 25c flat and 1800 are still free.
I'd be trading down from 8Mbps, but times is hard and so far this looks like a reasonable compromise.
I also agree that whoever is responsible for keeping Oz "Broadband" at such a pathetic trickle should be denounced as criminals and horse-whipped through the streets of every regional town in Australia. Or something.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Give em a Break:

This deal is one of the best things to be introduced to the broadband market in a long time.
$60 a month for free calls to any australian landline and free voicemail service. Thats cheap enough to just replace my landline with.
Sure 4GB isn't huge and 512 isn't the fastest but I don't think Virgin actually is aiming this product at large internet users. There isn't an internet offer out there that is aimed at everyone. I'm also sure this won't be the last broadband package offered by Virgin. Now there in the game, we will see more of them.

By The Way, their customer service is excellent. I've been with them for my mobile service for a few years now and am yet to speak to somebody who isn't Australian.

So give Virgin a break and commend them on introducing a product that rivals telstra.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

left out:

this is starting to make me cry!!!! other than Telstra Next G$ no one seems to want to setup any 3G services in tasmania, Even Vodafone (Whose main callcentre for Australia is based just outside Hobart) have stated that its not planned untill 2009. currently there are approx 500,000 people at the mercy of Telstra, and i know that many of them would prefer choice when it comes to 3G services. the other 2 big corperations need to wake up and setup.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

L Fraser:

I was all excited about the home plan and not needing to pay for a land line any more.

Then I realized that our house has a back to base alarm system. I'm no expert but I can't see that working through this system.

Damn...I am really just so disappointed.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Wiz.au:

Your security system "back to base" dialler should be fine, as long as you put a UPS on the Virgin Modem (in case the power goes out) and you have the wiring done _properly_.

The article says this unit provides a normal Australian dial tone, but even if it didn't, the security system dialler should have a "dial blind" option for non orginal dial tones.

Security system diallers are supposed to be a "pass-thru" device, the first device in the line. They drop any current call (hang up on you and disconnect the extensions) then dial out again themselves.

I can only see a problem if Virgin have some form of data compression applied they have not mentioned (ie. a Modem would not work) Otherwise it should be just like using a Analog modem on an ISDN line. (Which I'm pretty sure works, but hey, it's been 10+years since I did it!)

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

It's probably not quite like an ISDN line because it is a mobile network call, so you're still subject to a bit of echo and sound compression that you wouldn't get on a landline. That said, I had a long chat with my mum tonight using the Virgin Broadband modem to test it (am in the process of writing my review) and it sounded -considerably- clearer than what you would normally get using a mobile phone with earphones, for example.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Oliver Stone:

No need to be disappointed. Look deeper.
Buy a UPS, which will supply power and provide 240V
if the AC Mains suffers a temporary failure. This you can also adapt it to a external battery such as a car battrey for extended use, and as far as just supplying 12 volsts DC to the modem in order to keep the phone working use a 12 volt Gel Cell Battery. There are no problems. Only solutions if you make the effort to think constructively.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dmanican:

I read on zdnet that with this deal peer to peer traffic is capped at 64k. I know I'm a newbie and likely misunderstand, but does this mean the use of bitorrent and/or p2p such as limewire and the like - or is it techie talk for something completely different?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bob the net builder.:

My understanding of this, could be wrong, is that any traffic travelling through p2p ports from your computer will be throttled to 64k. If you know how you can change the port numbers for which some programs operate. And new versions of software such as bit torrent allow you to reconfigure port numbers, throttle upload and download speeds and shape your whole experience.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tech Eng:

Why is the media so illiterate and frequently wrong?

Why can't they do more research and publish the truth?

How can you write something false like this:
"and in fact one of the first in the world"

Wireless Landlines have been available for several years in India.



29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

The fact that something has been available for years in one country doesn't mean that the appearance of the same service in another country isn't 'one of the first in the world'.

If you could name many countries that already had wireless landlines, then your argument would be valid. 



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steven:

I'm a bit puzzled about:

...the Australian Communication and Media Authority (ACMA) requires providers who issue landline numbers to customers to ensure the service is used at its registered address

I live half way between Melbourne and Sydney, yet my VOIP provider has issued me with a Sydney area phone number. Allowing family and friends there to call me for the cost of a local call.

How come they can do it but but Virgin has to change your number if you move?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jubi:

How will you know if where you live will be HSDPA enabled. Seems very expensive if you can't and will be stuck with slower than dial up speeds even for just checking email and general surfing.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

http://virginbroadband.com.au/coverage/

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Confused:

Be nice if it worked with unit numbers like 8B. I get caught in a loop where it asks for the correct address, I change it, click "check service availability", and it asks me to correct the address again :(

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Woody:

Anybody know if you can have a silent home phone number on this deal and if it costs extra?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

The Virgin Mobile CEO did mention that on the press launch day -- silent numbers are assumed with the Virgin Mobile-issued numbers, which is handy, and it doesn't cost any extra. I'm not sure whether the same applies to numbers you've ported over from another carrier, though.

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