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Dan Warne26 July 2007, 8:41 AM

Has Telstra finally met its nemesis? The official launch of Virgin's broadband and home phone service today made something very clear: if Telstra thought its landline monopoly was under threat from capped mobile plans, it ain't seen nothing yet.


Virgin Broadband's 3G modem: with a landline phone, ethernet cable and power plugged in. Virgin Broadband's 3G modem: with a landline phone, ethernet cable and power plugged in.

Has Telstra finally met its nemesis? The official launch of Virgin's broadband and home phone service today made something very clear: if Telstra thought its landline monopoly was under threat from capped mobile plans, it ain't seen nothing yet.

Virgin Broadband's home phone and broadband service is the first 'wireless landline' in Australia (and in fact one of the first in the world) offering clearly superior value to wired landlines.

At no up-front cost, Virgin supplies a 3G/HSDPA modem that includes a standard analogue telephone port, an ethernet port and a WiFi router. For a $60 monthly fee, you get unlimited calls to landlines nationally and unlimited free calls to Virgin Mobiles.

Calls to other mobiles (Optus/Telstra/Vodafone) or international numbers are charged at 45c per minute, in 30 second blocks (22.5c per 30 seconds, though presumably the minimum is one minute), which is the main downside, but for many people, this won't be a concern, because they'll simply use their mobile to call other mobiles (or, Virgin Mobile hopes, convince family and friends to switch to Virgin.)

But here's the kicker -- as part of your $60 fee, you get 4GB of broadband internet at average speeds of 512Kbit/s, with an upper limit of 700Kbit/s. It puts Telstra BigPond's 200MB $29.95 plan to shame, with 20 times more usage allowance and no excess usage fees (Telstra charges $150/GB once you exceed your piddling 200MB.)

Is it fair to compare Virgin's $60 plan to Telstra's $29.95 plan? Absolutely -- you can't get Telstra's plan without paying line rental tax as well of at least $20 a month, and more commonly, $30. And that's before you've made any calls.

Furthermore, renters will love the fact that you don't have to pay line connection fees, nor relocation fees if you move.

The fact that the whole thing is delivered over the Optus 3G network doesn't put you at any disadvantage (apart from the fact that your home phone won't work if there's a blackout and the modem has no power): Virgin Broadband also gives you a regular landline telephone number so that people can call you at regular landline prices, even though the calls are carried over the mobile network. You can choose to keep your existing home phone number if you want, and have that ported over to your Virgin Broadband home phone connection.

Of course, a 4GB download allowance is not enough for anyone who needs to do P2P or large downloads such as multi-disc ISOs. But let's face it -- the number of people who need large data allowances is far outweighed in multiples by the massive number of people who just want to get always-on internet for email, web and YouTube as cheaply as possible. it's those people that are always nagging us techies for advice on the best value plans, and until recently, there hasn't been a whole lot of good value plans in the sub-$30 space.

Another group that will probably find Virgin Broadband's home service attractive is companies that have staff regularly travelling around Australia who need internet access at their destination, but not necessarily while they're on the move with their laptop. Paying $60 a month is cheap compared to the $30-per-day broadband charges from hotels, and it also stacks up extremely well against other wireless broadband services. For example, Three, which has briefly held the crown of best-value mobile broadband provider, only offers 2GB for $60, and that's not including any calls.

At the Virgin Broadband press launch today, a company spokesman said that people who signed up for the home broadband service would be free to take their modem anywhere they liked and use it from a data perspective.

There is a downside to the home service though: customers are only allowed to make calls in a small radius around their registered 'home' location, because the Australian Communication and Media Authority (ACMA) requires providers who issue landline numbers to customers to ensure the service is used at its registered address. Virgin Mobile says if customers stray from their home zone with the home broadband modem and start making calls, it will ring them to query if they have changed address.

The second deal: $80 mobile cap offers $520 calls, 1GB broadband


The other package being offered by Virgin Broadband is a mobile package for people with a laptop who want access on the move. It costs $80 a month and also requires you to sign up to a two-year contract.

Subscribers to this plan get a new mobile handset -- an HSDPA Nokia 6120 -- and $520 worth of calls a month at fairly standard capped-plan rates (40c per 30 seconds with a 30c flagfall).

The deal also includes a USB laptop dongle from Belgian company Option, with a 1GB usage allowance. (Mac users will be pleased to know that the dongle works on Mac OS X, and of course it works on Windows, though there is no official Linux support.)

The main downside here, of course, is the 1GB usage limit rather than the more generous 4GB limit of the home broadband service. It remains to be seen whether it's technically possible to use the SIM card that comes with the home broadband service in another 3G device to get 4GB of usage while on the go.

Officially, Virgin Mobile says it's not possible to take the SIM card out of the home broadband modem and put it into the laptop dongle, but then again, Telstra also says it's not possible to use a BigPond Wireless desktop modem SIM card in one of their USB laptop modem dongles, which is simply not the case.

Also, the 1GB usage allowance is not shared across the laptop dongle and the phone handset -- if you want to use web and email on your phone, you need to subscribe to one of Virgin Mobile's bolt-on data packs: $5 per month for 50MB or $10 for 300MB.

True plug and play: Unwired killer?


Unwired modem: dubbed "the rabbit"Unwired modem: dubbed "the rabbit"
There's no doubt that the easiest-to-use wireless device on the Australian market until today has been the Unwired pre-WiMax modem which you simply switch on to get a connection to the network. Customers simply plug it in to their computer via ethernet or buy a separate WiFi router and share the Unwired connection around their house wirelessly.

The problem with Unwired is its coverage: although it supposedly has blanket coverage across Sydney and surrounds, the reality is that it's often not possible to get any coverage at all in apartment blocks where there are lots of brick walls. Unwired uses 3.5GHz spectrum, which doesn't penetrate buildings terribly well. As a rule of physics, the higher the radio frequency, the poorer its range and penetration.

And then there's the problem that Unwired is predominantly available in Sydney. In Melbourne, its coverage is much more limited, and it's not in other states at all.

In contrast, Optus' 3G network, on which the Virgin Broadband service runs, is a standard 2.1GHz service, which achieves considerably better in-building penetration. Optus is also looking at 900MHz (0.9GHz) for its new HSDPA network, currently being built to cover 96% of Australia's population, and if it goes with this, the Virgin Broadband service will get a terrific coverage boost.

Virgin Broadband's home modemVirgin Broadband's home modem
Virgin Broadband's home 3G modem/router is an undeniably superior device to the Unwired modem. It provides a virtual landline (complete with standard Telstra dialtone) and works with any regular landline phone you may have already have plugged into the wall at home, including cordless models.

Calls are not carried over VoIP -- they're circuit-switched calls carried over the Optus mobile network, so the sound quality is very good and not subject to the vagaries of TCP/IP latency and jitter that can undermine the quality of VoIP calls. In fact, even if you live outside of Optus 3G coverage, you can still get the Virgin Broadband home service and simply use it for phone calls, because the 2G network is equally capable of handling the calls. (You'll get internet access too, actually, but only at ponderously slow GPRS speed, which is generally slower than dialup.)

When the device is shipped to you, it comes with the Virgin Mobile SIM card pre-installed, so all you have to do is plug it in to power and plug in your phone and computer. There's no stuffing around with configuring usernames and passwords, PPP settings, or any of that.

The only thing that needs some configuration is the inbuilt WiFi, for which the user must obviously choose an encryption key and network name. Confoundingly, Virgin Mobile has written an excellent user manual [2.9MB PDF - shows user interface screenshots] to go with the modem that explains how to set up wireless on all your home PCs, but somehow managed to largely overlook the process of setting it up in the modem itself. Hopefully this omission will be fixed by the time the service launches in the first week of August.

Note: we've now published a full review.  


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redeemed:

I can't believe that wireless internet people can actually afford is finally here!! Woot!! I'm not a heavy 'net user, but I live in the country of NSW about 360 kms west of Sydney; however I'll probably be moving house to Sydney in a few months and hopefully I can get this plan. Thanks for really up-to-date news, and I can't wait for your reviews tomorrow.

The pdf link (http://apcmag.com/system/images/virgin.pdf) doesn't seem to be working. Maybe you can fix that? Also, are there any wireless coverage availability maps that we can check ? Thanks again for this review. :)

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Whoops -- sorry about that. It's fixed now. (Click the link in the story as I'd got the linked URL wrong.)

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

redeemed:

Thanks for that.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Colin:

Hi,
I am thinking of changing to Virgin's new home phone and internet deal which I think is great, and as I am afraid of change and being a pensioner I would like to ask, is there any difference to the normal home phone or is there a delay, and do I have to tell everyone my new phone number or can they still phone up on the old number until Virgin Takes over in a months time and takes my old number across.

Thanks for your help
Col

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jmacko:

I have this and am very happy, though all P2P speeds are limited to 128kb/s- which is an actual donload speed up to 16kb/s.
After downloading the 4gb per month you are limited to 128kb/s which kinda sucks but I still use about 10GB in one month...

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jim Stewart:

How will it be possible to transfer an existing landline number to Virgin's broadband and home phone service?

I expect Telstra will say its not possible. But what is truth? I hope Optus/Virgin will soon tell all!

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Any carrier that offers landline services (including VoIP carriers) are able to port numbers over -- nothing Telstra can do to stop it. 

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Adam:

I wonder if the Home unit can roam as long as you don't "make calls".

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

They were saying today that that scenario would be OK.


29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dennis:

hi dan, you mentioned that the modem can be mobile to use internet only and not 'make' calls...but can it recieve calls whilst outside 'home' area..if so is there additional charge for both users (sender and receiver)..many thanks ..well done to virgin to provide a service at a reasonable cost...dy

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

DWProctor:

I am very interested in the 3g options that Virgin are putting forward. I went to htt://www.virginmobile.com.au and cannot see any mention of these new plans?

Nor can I see any mention of their 3g coverage maps. I can only assume it will be the same as optus since it uses an Optus backbone. http://urltea.com/12h2

Also what do they define as acceptable usage? I would like to see the fine print and what costs are involved in moving addresses etc? Say from Hornsby to Botany etc?

thx DAVE..

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

The website is http://www.virginbroadband.com.au -- though it's not fully live yet. 

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jason Torrento:

Now Telstra will be blaming Virgin for..

Innovating ?

Heh. Funny that.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

It certainly will be interesting to see how Telstra tries to attack Virgin Mobile for doing this. I'd lay money on the fact that Telstra will try some attack strategy rather than simply trying to compete (mainly because it can't compete on price with this service -- there's way too much money tied up in those line rentals and landline call revenues). 



29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Michael :

Its using Optus's 3G network, so its only available in places where for 60 bucks , you can get a telstra home line at 20 bucks, and pay 40 to some dlsam provider and get a lot more that 3gigs.

As far as their landline pricing goes, as they said "most people use their mobiles these says", the only reason to have a landline is to get ADSL.

Plus telstra have a product like this for regional users off the Next G network, where Virgin can't go.

Also wonder if Voda and Optus have considered how much pressure this will put on their fledging 3g network, im not sure if even 1% of telstra's landline market went to this product they could handle the data.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Quite right, but you also have to look at connection fees, relocation fees if you move, and phone calls on top of your $20 + $40. 

This service is obviously not pitched at people who need large volumes of downloads -- ADSL is better value. But the point is, most people don't need more than 4GB.



29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mr J Orage:

Cant help being a cynic but out of curiosity how much advertising space has/is being sold to Virgin? Appropriate disclosure is essential when one reads very enthusiastic reviews/reports.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

DanL:

At least this isn't another "Ooh look at my new iPhone that can't work in Australia" article.

This news offers some real hope to individuals that cannot get (or cannot justify/afford) an ADSL connection when in reality they dont need a landline (read: me and thousands of other customers with their arms twisted firmly behind their backs!) as well as road warriors who could utilise the data connection to do serious (read: Not iBurst/Unwired) downloading when offsite.

I cannot see 'Virgin' branded advertising in the same way I cannot see Apple branded advertising... However Apples' coverage for weeks now has been above normal!

Finally, a company who has utilised technology to the advantage of the consumer, not the other way around.
We need to know this when it happens and how it will benefit us.
If Virgin pay for that privalege, then so be it.

Good on them!! I know I will join ASAP... I can already feel that euphoria of further disconnecting myself from the Tesltra network... It is almost complete!!!

Dan

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC administrator:

None that I'm aware of. We don't get enthusiastic about advertisers ... take a look at our coverage of Dodo, which runs banner ads on our site for that very service that we absolutely panned.



29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Get Serious:

Big deal - 4 Gig at emailing speeds. What's happened to your normal definition of broadband? Sure plenty of ISPs offer 256k speeds - but only as an email or occassional surfing service. I use Telstra's next G around the country and get average 1Mbps speeds. And this story downplays that the phone calls are voip - with the inherent poor quality and issues like no calls when the power is out.

And how is customer service being provided? Out of Mumbai?

This will appeal to very few people. i doubt Telstra will lose any sleep. Sure they cost more, but you get a lot for your money. This Virgin offer sounds like a loss-leader to grab market share. In reality there is only a small market for a product like this.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC administrator:

I dd a brief speed test yesterday -- about 540Kbit/s downstream and around 350Kbit/s upstream -- that is MUCH faster than Telstra 256/64. 

The phone calls are not VoIP; this story specifically points out that they are circuit switched.

Customer service is not out of Mumbai -- it's based in North Sydney (I asked that question myself yesterday.)

I reckon you should read the story a bit more carefully and possibly try the product using their 30 day money back guarantee before canning the service. 



29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Aubrey.conversely:

"Sure they cost more, but you get a lot for your money. This Virgin offer sounds like a loss-leader to grab market share. In reality there is only a small market for a product like this."

You can't be serious. I am not even in the target group (I need far more than 4Gb/month), but this got me interested in Virgin as an additional service to my current broadband. I have done very well, thank you, out of loss-leaders in the past - I am still on a great plan I got three years ago that lasted about six-months before the ISP made new plans more restrictive. It certainly looks like a good deal to me, especially if you can actually give up your landline rental - and don't under-estimate the "Anything but Telstra" factor.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Phillip James:

I have a sneaky feeling this one was posted by a Telstra Staff member...Talk about worried!!!

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

I had that sneaky feeling too ;-) 



29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Powergrade:

You conveniently forget that there are many of us WHO CANT GET ADSL in any way shape or form, so your belittling of what is a genuine godsend to people stuck on dialup shows little thought of what others have or dont have.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ed:

I went to their site early this morning and filled out the form to express my interest.... the page comes back with an error. Just now I tried to get into their site and now it can't find the server! Maybe they are flooded ?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Liperty:

Yes, its good to see Telstra get a kick in the teeth, but the fact that this may be a giant killer only goes to show how truly pathetic our giant is. 512k BITS per second equates to around 64K BYTES per second. So to give you some idea... of BEST CASE scenarios

2 meg image from camera - 31 seconds
6 meg MP3 - 94 seconds
700 meg disc ISO - 3.04 HOURS

Broadband in this country is a disgrace. No wonder we all have to drive into the city to get anything done. If we could share data, communicate and have REAL broadband there would be benefits for business, education, transport, the environment etc.etc. I only wish there was a player willing to provide a REAL broadband network - 100Gbit, not the trickle of flity capped data we are fobbed off with today. You are led to believe fibre optics are crafted in heaven and cost a fortune - they do not, but while there is no real competition - we get to choose between slow and slightly less slow and fork out the same money for something 1/200th the speed availble in Europe, the US, South Korea etc.etc.

It's an improvement on the ADSL1 most people suffer.. but we have so much further to go. Complain to your local MP and let them know it's not good enough.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC administrator:

Yes, that's true, 512Kbit/s is fairly rudimentary broadband speed. But then, a heck of a lot of people are still using dialup. We all know someone that we've been trying to convince to move to broadband... and is put off by the setup costs etc!

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

sour grapes:

Not to mention the people that want broadband but cant get it because of distance and/or line quality or should I say "lack of line quality"

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tim:

512 might not seem fast for most people, but I cannot get adsl or cable & satellite is too expensive. The best plan I have found that suits my needs is $75 per month for 5 gig. So this is great value for me. Does anyone know if you can just use the broadband side of it without making phone calls and no incur any penalties?

By the way it may sound like I live in the simpson desert but I acually live in the heart of Australias 6th biggest city (The Gold Coast) and am stuck with 28.8kps dialup, Broadband in this contry is a joke.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Nash Pilling:

Have you looked into the 3 network I understand that it is available in the Gold Coast area. i use it for wireless broadband and am ditching Bigpond when my plan runs out. I also use 3 for mobile and now can run Skype on my mobile for free Skype call world wide.
Nash

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

lintilla:

As someone who lived in the US until 2 years ago, I agree. Broadband in Aus is in a WOEFUL state. :(

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

gld:

Are calls to 13 and 180 numbers also free on the $60 plan? What about non-geographic VoIP numbers (0550 or whatever they've recently been allocated)? I can't think of any other "local-rated" ranges offhand, apart from 0198.
I assume non-Virgin mobiles are at pretty serious gouge rates (like those in the $80 plan).


29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mick:

But I think 13 numbers are charged at 25c flat and 1800 are still free.
I'd be trading down from 8Mbps, but times is hard and so far this looks like a reasonable compromise.
I also agree that whoever is responsible for keeping Oz "Broadband" at such a pathetic trickle should be denounced as criminals and horse-whipped through the streets of every regional town in Australia. Or something.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Give em a Break:

This deal is one of the best things to be introduced to the broadband market in a long time.
$60 a month for free calls to any australian landline and free voicemail service. Thats cheap enough to just replace my landline with.
Sure 4GB isn't huge and 512 isn't the fastest but I don't think Virgin actually is aiming this product at large internet users. There isn't an internet offer out there that is aimed at everyone. I'm also sure this won't be the last broadband package offered by Virgin. Now there in the game, we will see more of them.

By The Way, their customer service is excellent. I've been with them for my mobile service for a few years now and am yet to speak to somebody who isn't Australian.

So give Virgin a break and commend them on introducing a product that rivals telstra.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

left out:

this is starting to make me cry!!!! other than Telstra Next G$ no one seems to want to setup any 3G services in tasmania, Even Vodafone (Whose main callcentre for Australia is based just outside Hobart) have stated that its not planned untill 2009. currently there are approx 500,000 people at the mercy of Telstra, and i know that many of them would prefer choice when it comes to 3G services. the other 2 big corperations need to wake up and setup.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

L Fraser:

I was all excited about the home plan and not needing to pay for a land line any more.

Then I realized that our house has a back to base alarm system. I'm no expert but I can't see that working through this system.

Damn...I am really just so disappointed.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Wiz.au:

Your security system "back to base" dialler should be fine, as long as you put a UPS on the Virgin Modem (in case the power goes out) and you have the wiring done _properly_.

The article says this unit provides a normal Australian dial tone, but even if it didn't, the security system dialler should have a "dial blind" option for non orginal dial tones.

Security system diallers are supposed to be a "pass-thru" device, the first device in the line. They drop any current call (hang up on you and disconnect the extensions) then dial out again themselves.

I can only see a problem if Virgin have some form of data compression applied they have not mentioned (ie. a Modem would not work) Otherwise it should be just like using a Analog modem on an ISDN line. (Which I'm pretty sure works, but hey, it's been 10+years since I did it!)

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

It's probably not quite like an ISDN line because it is a mobile network call, so you're still subject to a bit of echo and sound compression that you wouldn't get on a landline. That said, I had a long chat with my mum tonight using the Virgin Broadband modem to test it (am in the process of writing my review) and it sounded -considerably- clearer than what you would normally get using a mobile phone with earphones, for example.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Oliver Stone:

No need to be disappointed. Look deeper.
Buy a UPS, which will supply power and provide 240V
if the AC Mains suffers a temporary failure. This you can also adapt it to a external battery such as a car battrey for extended use, and as far as just supplying 12 volsts DC to the modem in order to keep the phone working use a 12 volt Gel Cell Battery. There are no problems. Only solutions if you make the effort to think constructively.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dmanican:

I read on zdnet that with this deal peer to peer traffic is capped at 64k. I know I'm a newbie and likely misunderstand, but does this mean the use of bitorrent and/or p2p such as limewire and the like - or is it techie talk for something completely different?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bob the net builder.:

My understanding of this, could be wrong, is that any traffic travelling through p2p ports from your computer will be throttled to 64k. If you know how you can change the port numbers for which some programs operate. And new versions of software such as bit torrent allow you to reconfigure port numbers, throttle upload and download speeds and shape your whole experience.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tech Eng:

Why is the media so illiterate and frequently wrong?

Why can't they do more research and publish the truth?

How can you write something false like this:
"and in fact one of the first in the world"

Wireless Landlines have been available for several years in India.



29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

The fact that something has been available for years in one country doesn't mean that the appearance of the same service in another country isn't 'one of the first in the world'.

If you could name many countries that already had wireless landlines, then your argument would be valid. 



29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

steven:

I'm a bit puzzled about:

...the Australian Communication and Media Authority (ACMA) requires providers who issue landline numbers to customers to ensure the service is used at its registered address

I live half way between Melbourne and Sydney, yet my VOIP provider has issued me with a Sydney area phone number. Allowing family and friends there to call me for the cost of a local call.

How come they can do it but but Virgin has to change your number if you move?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jubi:

How will you know if where you live will be HSDPA enabled. Seems very expensive if you can't and will be stuck with slower than dial up speeds even for just checking email and general surfing.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

http://virginbroadband.com.au/coverage/

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Confused:

Be nice if it worked with unit numbers like 8B. I get caught in a loop where it asks for the correct address, I change it, click "check service availability", and it asks me to correct the address again :(

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Woody:

Anybody know if you can have a silent home phone number on this deal and if it costs extra?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

The Virgin Mobile CEO did mention that on the press launch day -- silent numbers are assumed with the Virgin Mobile-issued numbers, which is handy, and it doesn't cost any extra. I'm not sure whether the same applies to numbers you've ported over from another carrier, though.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Carol:

I was about to ring Telstra this week for a brand new connection to an investment apartment I will be leasing to corporate clients. That privilege would have cost me $250! And that didnt include any broadband or phonecalls! Nor monthly line rentals. So yesterday I booked up with Virgin broadband - no connection fee, free calls (except to non virgin mobiles), no monthly rental AND internet access. How good is that!

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mark:

I was so excitied when this product arrived and immediately purchased it.

I ran into issues however during the setup, which I assumed could be easily overcome with the help of Virgins Support centre.

I am now returning the product as after trying for two weeks to get in contact (five hours on hold and a few emails) I have still not been able to get in contact with Virgin for assistance.

Shame, I was looking forward to using this service.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

left out:

your not based in tassie are you mark???? if so that would explain the issues your having!!!! tassie is still left off the map but now we have SOUL!!! hehe just opened!!

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Oliver Stone:

Your ???? 'Your' signifies 'ownership' You're is 'you are', where the apostrophe substitutes the missing 'a'

Just write 'you are' and do not abbreviate. How can you be so illiterate.
Illiteracy is neither attractive or desirable.

Read, read and read some more and learn.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Andrew:

You whinge and bitch like a girl. Get over yourself. If spelling, punctuations etc upset you so much, Why bother using the internet. There are a lot of people out there that have problems spelling and such, One of them been me. Not by chose but becuase I had to leave school at an early age.



29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bill:

I was all excited about the Virgin Broadband home plan and not needing to pay for a land line any more so after installing the modem and setting things up at Virgin, I got to making phone calls via my new “LLGS” modem (LLGS = Land Line Get Stuffed) That was when I discovered this service was not going to be of any use to me...I could not make phone calls via the Virgin modem.
I then got on my landline and called a friend, my brother and my wifes cousin, gave them our new Virgin phone number and requested they call us on that number...Surprise surprise...It worked! Each call was as clear as a bell!
I then went and bought a new digital cordless telephone with three hand sets and after installing the new phone I again tried calling out via the Virgin Broadband modem...No luck, I could not call out to anyone via Virgins Broadband modem.
This morning I contacted Virgins tec’ department, by the way, this was the third time I had contacted Virgin requesting help/advice, two calls were answered by dinky-die Aussies and the third was answered by a new Australian, each person was extreamly courtious and helpful and I have no complaints about Virgins help line, anyway, after explaining my problem with a tecie’, giving him my address and some info’ provided by the modem, I was informed that I was in a borderline reception area, I’m in Corio on the outskirts of Geelong, and if I wanted to make phone calls via my Virgin Broadband modem, I would need to make sure I was “not” connected to the net at the time I wanted to make a phone call!
This for me is just not feasable. I feel I would be stepping back five or six years to a 56K modem!

Darn it...I really am so disappointed that I had to call Virgin again and cancle my subscription...I was informed by Virgins tec’ department that the system would not be upgraded for at least eighteen months and they could not tell me if their upgrade would fix my problem. I’ll be keeping an eye on Virgin Broadband from now on...One never knows...They may put up another tower closer to my home and aparently that would solve my problems.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mac User:

I've been waiting for 2 years for a Teleco to come up with an answer to the line rental issue that Telstra/Bigpond refuses to move on. I was looking to use Voip through the cable i have with Telstra/Bigpond but their poor usage amount for the price was inadequate and as there was no competition in South Australia for cable, there was no other option, until now. Also as a Mac User the Teltra/Bigpond site didn't deliver all the features for the non-metered content. Thus paying for a service which didn't entirely work.
I'm ready to sign up, but my only concern with the Virgin offer is the 24 month contract. If for any reason your not satisfied after the 30 day trial then your stuck with the service for a further 23 months or the time remaining or pay huge fee's to exit. There must be consumer protection if your not happy at any time after the trial period.
I know they have been running this in Europe for years now, but why has it taken so long for Australia to catch up, i thought we were savvy. Thankyou Virgin again for taking on the big boys. I just hope Virgin are talking with Apple regarding the iphone, two forward thinking companies should be working together in Australia!

Cheers
Frustrated ex Teltra/Bigpond customer.



29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Third Eye:

Yoy thought we wre savvy? - You need to open your eyes. Australia is 10 years behind. Even former communist countries are now technologically ahead of Australia.
How can we be savvy when we have cry baby politicians such as Mr. Costello for example crying to his mother because he didn;t inherit the leadership. This is supposed to be a democracy not a kingdom where idiots inherit positions of leadeship without anyone voting for them. and a communiucations minister who may look good on paper and even reasonable in a mirror, but who is totally incapable and has no idea what communications technology means and hoew to provide world class comms services to the people who are forced to vote for these incompetent political free-loaders, who waste time arguing with each other, behaving like infantile 10 year old children, instead of pulling their finger out and building a world class high speed broadband network at an affordable price. There are trillions of dollars of wealth in the ground that could pay for it all and could make every Australian wealthy and no need to pay tax.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bill:

Broadband! I think not! My old 28.8 modem is faster than this...Virgin Broadband!
I thought this Broadband mobile was too good to be true and so far it looks like I was right.
I've wanted to get rid of the line rental rip-off for years and so after reading about Virgin Broadband I signed-up.
I got and hooked-up the modem today and with setting-up the modem things went smooth as silk...my granny could set-up this modem and she’s 103!
Then tonight I tried setting-up my email client, MS Outlook, to receive emails from my Virgin Broadband account...Seven hours later and I still can't send or receive any test emails via my Virgin Broadband account. I receive emails from twelve of my domains plus email sent me via my ISP account no problem but I’ll be dammed if I can set-up Outlook for my Virgin Broadband account!
I then opened IE at http://webmail.virginbroadband.com.au/ and spent the next "57" minutes trying to delete six Welcome emails from virgin broadband!
I thought this was a Broadband service but I bet my old 28.8 modem is faster than this Virgin Broadband!
I'll persevere with virgin broadband for another week or so as I really would like their service to work and I do want to go with someone...anyone who will not keep ripping me off with line rental charges...Wellll! After thirty odd years, I feel I have bought and paid for the phone line to my home...many times over!
As stated, I’ll give Virgin Broadband a fair go but it looks like I’ll be forced to keep my ADSL modem and my ISP...at least that way I’ll be able to send/receive emails and surf the net at a reasonable speed.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

anne Kelly:

I just wonder has anyone had problems with the 'landline' element of the service. We're pretty happy with the internet service and have two macs connected (one with ethernet because the system is only 10.3.9) but two days ago our phone (its a uniden cordless with one handset) started a continuous beeping and we're unable to make or receive any calls. When we put the handset on the base and press the speaker button a message on the handset says "Line in Use" - its starting to upset me! Any real suggestions welcome.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tony:

I notice you quote a Virgin Spokesperson saying that it is ok to use the modem for data away from home (but not the phone). I am referring to the virgin broadband @home product.

The Virgin service description document seems to be quite explicit in saying that is not the case.

http://www.virginbroadband.com.au/images/Virgin%20Broadband%20Service%20Description.pdf

I wonder the if the document pre-dates the quote and there has been a relaxation/variation not yet reflected in the official doco?

Tony (very happy Virgin Broadband @ Home customer)

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

JoJogirn:

Hi All,
I just signed up for the Virgin 3G Broadband and home phone system, i have phoned the staff at Virgin and they where very polite,anyway, since i been in communications in Amateur Radio for over 25 years, also experamented with internet like communications using RF, all the way from Aust to the rest of the world using huge HF Antenna's, what mean i been on the internet way before given to puplic.

Now to come to my question, when i asked the Virgin Staff if i can use Skype or a program Called Echolink, which this program one have to have an Amateur Radio License to be allowed to use it, via a Valadation from the American Amateur Radio Leque (ARRL), so after i waited about 5 minutes from the person i asked this question, where she to go and ask a senior staff member, she came back to me with answer, "we don't support those programs" i replied emmm, So, then all i can say is,Then i say, that the Virgin 3G Broadband is not fully an internet system, so they are going backwards not forward with the latest Technology, but on the other hand, i think and in my openion, most Tech's staff working with all telephone companies have no idea how the internet operates when it comes to a lot of programs such like Skype and Echolink being offered on the internet to all internet users, so i am still going to try these 2 programs, in the mean time if anyone there succeeded operating Skype via the Virgin 3G Broadband wirless system, i will be very please to hear about it.

from a very curouse Person in this new system !!

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous123:

Huh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mitch:

Hey JoJogirn

You might want to proofread your contribution before hitting the submit button. I have no idea what you have just tried to say!

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Nash Pilling:

My son has Virgin broadband and home system and is happy with it. We talk Skype to Skype with no problem.
Cheers, Nash

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anthony Overmars:

Hi I like to push the envelop a little. So I tried to send an receive faxes but unfortunately that doesnt work. But guess what my engin VOIP service does and what is even more fun is that using a NETGEAR WGR615V or a LINKSYS WRTP54G-NA you can not only get your VOIP chats overseas for 3c/min but you can also send and receive faxes. Both Engin and Virgin say you cant send faxes - but yes you can! I set both devices mentioned here as bring your own devices with Engin and then simple connected the WLAN port of the router to the Virgin ethernet port and hey presto it worked. One down side was that the line level at my place was around -98db and I keeped dropping back to GPRS (really slow). I have fixed this by forcing the Virgin box into UMTS only (not UMTS Auto) and have ordered an external antenna from www.option.com who make the Virgin box. BTW apologies to the Virgin tech support guy I tortured the other day (he had never heard of option or external antennas) and yes he was I local. Cheers Anthony

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

furstrated:

I signed up with virgin boradband and home phone plan and had modem delivered but when I plug in the modem and it searches for network it dispalys " error' message and goes on blink. i have tried calling virgin support but can get through to them despite holding for half hour at a time. I tried four times at different times but no luck. sent an email but no reply. I have tried all usual tricks like turning on and off modem moving modem closer to window. any Help. I am thinking of returning the modem and cancelling the acount. has any one else have same problem and how did you get around it.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tamara:

frustrated - Not with Virgin Broadband, but am with Virgin Mobile, which is all the same company. They never answer the phone and never answer emails. The only way I got them to respond was to email a complain to their official complaints address which they are legally required to respond to within 48 hours.

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

rp:

Same problem, tech support very slow (dilibrately so), sometimes i cant dial out on home phone. Wanted to extend trial period to 3 months they wouldnt let me. If its not good enough for three month trial I dont think its a reliable alternative to landline. I remember telstra was sued over an unreliable landline service that led to the death of a person in the bush. Beware are we improving our network or going for a cheap unreliable system. What happens if the service shits itself half way through the contract.

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mitch:

Isn't it amazing how Virgin can offer great value like this product, while OPTUS can't. But then OPTUS own Virgin so why can't they. Talk about ripping off their current customer base!

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jared:

Actually, incorrect.

Virgin, along with providers such as SimPlus (formerly RSLcom), B / Soul, M8 Telecom are all what we call resellers - they pay Optus for access to the network, and then package their own deals.

In much the same way, technically Optus used to be a Telstra reseller - in that we were paying for access to Telstra's copper cabling to provide landline and DSL access to the consumer.

Long story short, yes, Optus could probably provide a similar deal, but at this point they are focusing on their cable and DSL2 technology as the primary source of internet provision.

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC administrator:

Though Virgin is wholly owned by Optus...


29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jbs:

great plan, shame it only covers metro areas, would love to know when optus 3g network will be rolled out where i live

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anozilander:

Regrettably,

The 3G Network Bandwidth (2100MHz) is fundamentally limited to Metropolitan areas due to the difficulties with terrain. Furthermore, the actual cost associated to make this available in areas with less population density will for some time, make it a "Metro Exclusive" service. For a "Metro Comparable" area, Newcastle and Lake Macquarie (NSW) have a population well in excess now of 1 Million People. With the exception of Telstra's Next G (850MHz) there is no other 3G Wireless Service currently offered in these (and other non “Metro”) classified areas. If, as a previous poster was advised that in an outer area of Geelong, there is no anticipated extension of the coverage for some time, what faith are people outside the Metro areas to have in the offering of this service?

While the services of Virgin Broadband and Landline package will work for incoming calls when subscribers roam into a 2 or 2.5G (900 / 1800 MHz) coverage GSM area, they will not be able to use their Modem for Data and or outgoing Voice.
Another disappointing reality for Non Metro Australia.


29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

respect86:

hi i know this is not a reply to your issue being addressed here i just have a new question or query all together i will be getting virgin in a couple of days i just wwanted to know is it accessible via my pda? coz basically im getting it due to the accessiblity effects if it is please explain how to install or set it up on my pda someone i would really appreciate it i have a 02xda atom.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous1:

Unfortunately there appears to be performance issues. These are not known if they are overload or internal back end from the ISP side.

Virgin has apparently subbied out the ISP end, that makes sense as they have no history with this.

Phone calls to user support take about 30 minutes.

There are reports of drop outs on the phone service, this can be expected as the phone is a mobile in landline drag. There are also reports of busy tones on the phone service.

The service appears to have an achillies heel, in that P2P or in the venacular of the hoi pollio, leechers. The technical aspect is that a continious connection even with the P2P shaping takes up the same space as a full unshaped connection.

The P2P issue coupled with the high level of take up means that Virgin may be writing business that it cannot support.

In particular those who may have been saved from a DSL deadspot may find as more and more of their neighbours sign up the limited resources in the outer urban areas will not be able to support the load.

Virgin has made changes to the plans in an attempt to isolate the P2P issue, but there are 2 years worth of contracts where leeching will continue unabated.

Virgin states that they are adding towers quickly but have made no comment on their plans. The ACMA site apparently is way out of date for those who want to check if there is a service in the area.

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anita:

I have signed up to the Virgin broadband plan and absolutely love it. No phone drop-outs, hours upon hours of surfing and some i-tunes downloads, and I have barely made a dint in the 4GB allowance. And all this for no more than $60 a month. The days are gone where we need to get a nasty shock with phone/internet bills. I have even dropped my mobile phone pre-paid cap because I get local and national calls included in the Virgin plan.
I had to call the call centre once when I first set up for some support and the phone was answered by an Aussie and I didn't have to go through an endless loop of press 1 for..., press 2 for......!
This might not be for everybody so that is why they give you 30 days to try before you buy. To set up with telstra I would have had to pay $300 for a new phone line, and that's before signing up on any phone/broadband plan. Rip off! I never normally post comments but this product is really good, and I don't work for Virgin.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mat:

When I first saw this I thought it was pretty cool, unforutnately its a good idea,that just doesn't work.

I got it and found out it was totaly rubbish. I've moved to a faster connection ...56k(dial up). If you noticed they changed their advertising from 'free phone with broadband' to 'free broadband with phone' Im guessing that was to keep the ACCC off their backs.

Don't go near it.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

cb:

I have to agree. We had no end of problems with our service through Virgin, particularly the home phone. As we had to wait for Virign to set up the requirements to port our old number, by the time we realised the shocking quality, it was past our 30 day period. I'm talking drop outs, enagaged signals, strange inconsistent recorded messages, whether calling in or out, funky dial tone too.... Most unreliable dodgy service ever. Not to mention that we were charged numerous times for calls to their customer service that dropped out within the first ten seconds. So four months, three letters and I can't count how many times we called customer service later....they have finally agreed to cancel the service without a fee. Their reasoning in the end was that we were in a bad coverage area (suburban Canberra??) even though that is NOT what their website indicates when you check for coverage. They only told us this on our last call, when I rung in numerous times before surely this could have picked up if it was the case?? I would stay away from this service and pay the extra cost at another provider. One major headache I definitely could have done without.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Annoyed VB user:

Yea I have to agree with cb on this one. I have had no end of troubles with VB as well and only since my number has been ported over which took weeks and weeks instead of the 3 to 5 working days as stated on their web site. I have had all of the above problems cb has stated and more to the point now where I have no phone at all. I am unable to make calls, receive calls or use the internet. My issue has not been able to be resolved by VB piss poor tech team so they have forwarded the issue to Optus with no date as to when I will have a phone again!!!! Thanks for nothing Virgin.

I am giving VB a week to resolve this issue and if I have to go a week with no phone I will be taking the matter to the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman at virgins expense.

I have not even been able to ring and ask to speak to a team leader or a manager, is if they do not have any available, floor looks like it is run by bloody inexperienced kids that have no idea on how to fix peoples issues but are more than happy to charge you 60 dollars a month for a service you are not getting.

When my service was working well (in the 30 day trial period) my inlaws and a couple of friends signed up as well as they thought like me the deal was too good to pass up. I speak with them all the time and they are now getting early symptoms and tech issues I had before my service went to sh** and failed to work any longer.

IMO I think people will change over to this product as on the surface it looks too good to be true but once they see first hand how faulty and bug ridden the system is and how poor the technical help is and how ROOD their tech staff are (some of them) they will probably go back to their old providers or seek new ones.

Hope this helps anyone thinking of joining VB.


29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Another VB sucker:

Have to laugh at virgin broadband at what poor service this BB at home gives. Yea I was one of the many thousands of suckers like many of you that thought this deal was great and did away with line rental and so on.

What can I say!!! WE GOT RIPPED OFF.

I am looking now at changing over to IINET naked ADSL2 package for the same price as VB and at ADSL2 speeds GO IINET.

Of course this deal is limited to areas where naked BB will work but at least it is from a company that owns it's own equipment and does not piggy back on some one else.

Virgin Broadband Company you can Kiss my ass. Bet your own staff don't use your piss poor service.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Aaron:

Slaughter Telstra....I don't think so

Although I admit that Telstra is not my first choice of phone company or ISP the only way VirginBroadband at home deal could slaughter telstra is if they all walked into telstra offices with carving knives and stuck the workers. In saying that though the VirginBroadband team would probably stuff up that as well.

I have Virgins broadband at home deal and I hate it. My phone drops out all the time for no reason, voice drops to a whisper when ringing mobile phones, strange unable to connect messages, lousy customer service, long waits of over 1 hour to talk to a tech support staff member, poor line porting process that takes weeks not days like their site states etc etc etc.

over all I rate it a 1/10. Only reason I gave it a 1 is because the modem arrived to my house 36 hours after I joined and not 2 weeks like they said.

Poor product would not recommend


29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Smithy:

I hate the poor quality, service and long waits for technical support. Only thing I can say about the long technical support wait times of 30 minutes to sometimes 50 minutes is many people are ringing up with problems. After reading the above comments by people I can see why. Wish I had never joined. My dialup internet was faster then the rubbish I have now with virgin.

Smithy

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Wombat:

Virgin Broadband is just hopeless. If it were called Acme Broadband, the poor, poor service and useless equipment would be understandable. But Virgin..!!!
A team leader just told me that I should have had a solicitor read the Virgin contract before I signed it. He said that is what he would have done.
Unfortunately for me it did not rain during the 30 day free trial. Now, just a light sprinkle and I am without a connection. I have an expensive aerial, locked on to UMTS only, everything..still no broadband, no phone when it rains.
Incidentally, the modems (I am on my second one) have a heat fault. Put it in a plastic bag in the freezer for 10 minutes and it will come good.
I was also told that I am not allowed to take my modem to a friend's house to access my email.
Okay..can someone suggest a better network please?

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mikayla:

I just spent 58 minutes on hold waiting to speak with a broadband tech support person. I am so unhappy with the service from Virgin. Strange thing is my husband and I both have virgin mobiles and can't fault them but their broadband at home deal is rubbish and their support is useless with the longest wait times I have EVER had.

We are on our second modem now as the first one over heated, the second one looks like doing the same thing. The power cord running to the modem's are faulty where you only need to slightly touch the power cord and the modem shuts down. Slow internet during the day and only passable internet speeds late at night when not so many users online chewing bandwidth.

Don't have anything good to say about the Broadband at home package as it has been one problem after another for me and the family.

If you want reliable broadband for the kids to do their home work then this is not the package for you. Frustrating when phone drops out and have to dial in again EG ringing to talk to bank or insurance people and the phone dies after about 5 to 10 minutes. Have to ring up again and talk to different person and repeat details.

Wake up Virgin and stop robbing peoples money and providing sub standard service. Hell I can get better service by using 2 cans with a piece of string tied between them.

Clean your act up.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Toongy:

Well, Six months down the track and they have really gone backwards.

I hope all you guys that have VBB@Home can join our petition in Whirlpool to get their customer service in order.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=919682



29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ADVsteve:

Toongy

No point getting their customer support fixed if their product does not work in the first place.

What they need firstly is a product that "WORKS" so people do not need to ring their customer support staff.

All I can suggest (users having troubles) is ring them constantly (if you can get through). They make notes on their system of your complaints but make sure you document all your problems and the times you have the problems incase they ask for times and dates (which they will). The more evidence you can support the more evidence you have to be let out of your contract.

If they will not let you out of your contract you must get onto the "Telecommunications Ombudsman" http://www.tio.com.au/ and make a complaint. Those dated complaint times log you kept will now come in handy to give the TIO a case.

One last point to remember is Virgin uses a standard quote when they let you out of their contract.

"You must be living in a fringe, blackspot or poor reception area so we can't provide you with a service"

With documented proof they by law have to let you out of the contract as they are not providing the promise of working phone and internet.

I can't stress this point enough.....Document problems, dates and times and ring VBB support daily if needed to make your complaints.

Steve


29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Wazza (Cornerstone member):

I've been using Virgin Broadband lately and found it to be pretty good.

19 May 2008, 1:42 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

KJM (New user):

I have signed up for Virgin's new wireless broadband and it is definately NOT 4gb download monthly - only 2gb!
Check this fact on their site.
Also a great service if you dont want tech support with in a 40 - 50 minute wait on the phone.
We have been making calls out side the 'small radius' you spoke of ie
Melbourne-Gold Coast - no problem.

27 July 2008, 8:10 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

seeg55 (New user):

I have been struggling with VBB for three months in suburban Melbourne. If I need to use the internet at 3am or midday it's fine. If I want to use it between 7pm and 11pm, it's hopeless. Something is seriously wrong. Their support people (when I can get through - typically a 30 minute wait before I give up) just give me the run around. I imagine it's just that the demand has swamped their ability to give a service. I'm now at the stage of an ATIO complaint and will be giving it away - if you want a reliable peak time service forget VBB.

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