Vista: goodbye and good riddance!

David Flynn
26 October 2009, 3:46 PM


Almost three years to the day of its debut, Windows Vista is shunted off the stage to make way for Windows 7. What won’t you miss about the much-maligned OS?


“From today, when we say Windows we’re talking about Windows 7” proclaimed Jeff Putt, Windows Consumer Lead for Microsoft Australia, as he kicked off last week’s launch of Windows 7.

Seeming relieved to have the Vista era behind him at last, it was the first of several light-hearted and well-received japes which Putt made at the OS.

Features such as the live thumbnails of application windows which sprout from the revamped taskbar, with the ability to bring one window full-size onto the desktop while the others fade away, were welcomed as “Aero made useful”.

And even after previews of the light-hearted Windows 7 TV commercials, Putt exclaimed “This is the first time people are laughing in the right places at a Microsoft ad!”.

In just about every way imaginable Windows 7 has allowed Microsoft to almost press the ‘undo’ button on the past three years since the code for Windows Vista was signed off on November 8th, 2006.

Almost everyone in the tech industry knows the horror story of Vista’s near-tragic tableau. The OS that began with the loftiest of ambitions had its very foundations slowly pulled from under it, key features removed and milestone dates missed until the release date itself became a moving target.

Over five years after the arrival of Windows XP, which became the most successful version of Windows – so much so that Vista was hard-pressed to displace it, and Microsoft had a hard time killing it – Vista touched down in early 2007 to criticism from almost every quarter.

It was slow and cumbersome, ill-mannered and temperamental. It put eye-candy ahead of functionality, and nagged users in the guise of protecting them. It turned a simple Control Panel into a confusing maze-like morass of icons and links, and made simple tasks like joining a wireless network into a multi-click process.

Microsoft itself wasn’t to blame for the appalling lack of suitable drivers for hardware, but that didn’t win them any love from upgrading XP users seeking to upgrade.

Nor did Vista’s over-the-top hardware requirements, which raced too far ahead of where most XP-class system were – unlike Windows 7, which will run smoothly on almost any Vista PC from desktop to laptop to netbook.

Factory-fresh PCs which shipped with a Vista-class driver for every device had the best chance of showing Vista in its best light, but could not hide the operating system’s own inbuilt flaws.

Vista took a much-needed step forward with Service Pack 1, released a year later, but by then the damage was more than done. Only Windows fanboys could seriously proclaim Windows Vista as Microsoft’s best effort.

But that’s all in the past now. The question we have for APC readers, in the wake of Windows 7’s arrival, is what won’t you miss about Vista?


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Me In Oz (User):

I won't miss the constant bagging it got on the APC forum.

It wasn't as bad as Me, and let's not forget it is the foundation of Win7.

I will miss Movie Maker. That was a reliable and and simple app to use.

26 October 2009, 4:01 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Movie Maker 2.6 is available as a download and works fine apparently.

26 October 2009, 4:58 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Tin:
Movie Maker 2.6 is available as a download and works fine apparently.

Thanks Tin, but I have tried it with the RC with no success, Keeps crashing at the creating menu stage.

I'll try it again with the Final release this weekend.

Cheers




26 October 2009, 5:12 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting Me In Oz:
I won't miss the constant bagging it got on the APC forum.

Not if you keep peddling what's good for a high street computer shop is good for the rest of us, you wont. :>


26 October 2009, 10:53 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
is good for the rest of us

So who's 'us' ?




26 October 2009, 10:57 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting Me In Oz:
So who's 'us' ?

Us = the great majority who do not have a financial interest in flogging an illusion.


27 October 2009, 12:09 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
the great majority

Self appointed representation again, Raindog!




27 October 2009, 8:17 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Self appointed representation again, Raindog!

Not at all. I only speak on my own behalf. Even a self interested retailer should be able to work out that his views will not be representative of all. I don't know if you've noticed but others have made comment too. Are they all self appointed representatives? Or just the those that don't subsbscribe to your (hope to create a sale) bias?


27 October 2009, 9:32 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
I only speak on my own behalf

Then I don't think you should keep using the word 'us' in your comments!

Quoting Raindog:
others have made comment too

True, but they haven't represented any group by using the word 'us' as you regularly do.

Quoting Raindog:
those that don't subsbscribe to your (hope to create a sale) bias?

And Raindog has no bias? LOL




27 October 2009, 11:55 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Then I don't think you should keep using the word 'us' in your comments!

Your free to think that, despite it our beief have no consequence. Us was used in the conext of those of us that don't subscribe to a retailer focussed point of view, there is no sugesstion that I hold any representation of such views. Is the world of retail so insular that pints of view in your realm can only be black or white?


Quoting Me In Oz:
but they haven't represented any group by using the word 'us' as you regularly do.

So what are you suggesting? Strike the word from the English language? "US" in the context of one of many who do not hold a retailer's in no way suggest self appointed representation. The flaw is in your comprehension of this. :>


Quoting Me In Oz:
And Raindog has no bias?

One would have though that was obvious. Are you suggesting that everyone who does not assume the point of view and interests of a high st retailer is somehow biased. Clearly you are the one tying to bully views with a narrow focus onto others.

What is good in the short term for you is not necesarily good for the industry or for the consumer. Simple really even a shop jockey should be able to comprehend.



27 October 2009, 12:12 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Cornerstone member):

Goodbye dear friend (slight glistening of the eyes) ................
But I won't miss your abyssmal start up and shutdown times! MS never got this right!
As stated in the aticle, I blame some of the poor take up of Vista on the dreadfully late OEM Driver supports.

26 October 2009, 4:24 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Phred (User):

Quoting Your Average Joe:
I blame some of the poor take up of Vista on the dreadfully late OEM Driver supports.


Still after 3 years, the drives are abysmal, or simply non existent!

26 October 2009, 5:24 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting Your Average Joe:
But I won't miss your abyssmal start up and shutdown times! MS never got this right!

What's this? Flaws?


26 October 2009, 10:45 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

petert (Advanced Forumologist):

To quite some extent I agree with you Me in Oz. I am running Vista on four computers and I much prefer it to XP. Nonetheless, in saying that, I waited until 18 months after Vista's release before there were sufficient drivers etc for me to upgrade two laptops. When Vista works, it works well.

However, Vista and MS deserved the poor publicity at Vista launch and the poor publicity over other issues such as "Vista Capable" and the non-release of promised extras and specials for Vista Ultimate.

A final note is that it should not be forgotten that many of the features that were intended to be released with Vista still have not appeared even in Windows 7; for example, the promised new file system WinFS.

Part of the problem with the bagging of Vista is that it is really the bagging of MS. People need to be able to separate the capabilities and problems of OS from the behaviour of the company. Because of its past record, MS is quite rightly perceived by many to be unethical, probably even amoral but that has nothing to do with whether or not Vista is a decent OS.

26 October 2009, 4:26 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting petert:
the promised new file system WinFS.

That's going to be a thorn in MS's for a long time to come yet!
They are scared to death of that phrase "Backwards Compatibility".
Remember the FAT to NTFS change-over? ...... I remember doing much overtime because of it.

Quoting petert:
People need to be able to separate the capabilities and problems of OS from the behaviour of the company

Oh too true. Just look at the headlining of this report.
Should it have read "What are you going to miss about Vista"?, but hey, that wont sell newspapers.




26 October 2009, 5:23 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Cornerstone member):

"....Vista arrived in early 2009..." - David Flynn

I think you meant 2007 ....... Cheers

26 October 2009, 4:27 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (New user):

" ... Only Windows fanboys could seriously proclaim Windows Vista as Microsoft’s best effort. ..." - David Flynn

For high performance gaming, it is worlds ahead of XP, especially after SP1 and matured driver support. It is resource hungry and slow with older or insufficient hardware, but if you've ever played a DirextX 10 game versus a DirectX 9 game, you surely will concede that it is the best OS MS has ever produced.

As for what I wont miss? ....... the big update patches for THAT Tues. of every month. (Crossing fingers for Win7 now), hey! all it cost me was $70 for Home Premium Upgrade :)

26 October 2009, 4:46 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

apt.pupil (User):

i won't miss how i occasionallly i have to activate the hidden administrator account to rename a file i want to delete, so it has no extension, just to be able to delete the dang file.

i welcome most of windows 7, BUT my google chrome browser spikes my RAM useage from 12% up to 97% when i have 5 tabs running(one with an embedded flash video player). even Firefox is spiking, but IE8 doesn't. a shame i have to put up with ugly IE8 and with the slow page rendering so i can photoshop and get pictures off google at the same time

oh and i use 4GB DDR21088MHz RAM

26 October 2009, 4:52 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Phred (User):

Quoting apt.pupil:
i won't miss how i occasionallly i have to activate the hidden administrator account to rename a file i want to delete, so it has no extension, just to be able to delete the dang file.


Sadly, you still have to do this, but for fewer things

26 October 2009, 5:30 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tim2hawkes (User):

I never had a problem with vista and to this day run it side by side with windows 7

26 October 2009, 6:49 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

KarmaAmputee (User):

I think Vista is great, I've personally never had a problem with it (apart from not being able to run After Effects 7.0 - but it's not an essential for me). However, I do realise that it was a horror story after its release. Windows 7 will be installed beside Vista in a dual-boot configuration for me - I'm not letting go of Vista just yet.
I'm glad that 7 will now entice XP users to move from it, and hopefully it will see Mac and Linux users take a closer look at what Windows is capable when Microsoft "gets it right"

26 October 2009, 7:26 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AntAcid (New user):

Windows Vista was released Jan 30th 2007. How do you figure that's almost 3 years to the day?

26 October 2009, 8:35 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne (Regular user):

That was the consumer release date -- it was released about three months earlier to businesses.

26 October 2009, 9:23 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

djsflynn (APC staff):

AntAcid: as the article notes, "the code for Windows Vista was signed off on November 8th, 2006" - almost three years to the day before Windows 7's launch on October 22nd.

And in terms of actual release dates, Vista had _two_ release dates: while the consumer launch was Jan 30 2007, it was launched to the business sector (and available for businesses with corp licensing) on Nov 30th 2006.


26 October 2009, 9:42 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AntAcid (New user):

And the Windows 7 RTM (SignOff) was July 22nd 2009. I am comparing same type of release dates.

26 October 2009, 10:14 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

djsflynn (APC staff):

Fair enough - the three-year period between Vista RTM and Win7 launch was just a good one for me to use, but let's call it the three-and-a-smidge year period between Vista's first launch on Nov30 and Win7's launch on Oct22... just five weeks' difference, not bad over a three year span, and what's a coupla weeks between friends? :P

26 October 2009, 10:39 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

BrownieBoy (User):

"Nor did Vista’s over-the-top hardware requirements, which raced too far ahead of where most XP-class system were – unlike Windows 7, which will run smoothly on almost any Vista PC from desktop to laptop to netbook."

In other words, Microsoft tread water and waited for the hardware to catch up with their bloat.

26 October 2009, 9:37 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

The surprising thing about the whole Vista dabacle is that Win & says MS did not learn a thing from the whole sorry episode.

The "we know what you'll want and we'll damn well charge what we see fit attiude continues through into Win 7. It's the Albanese approach, the sad thing is their are drones about that actually buy it and the will continue too until they work out their own costs.

26 October 2009, 10:52 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
the sad thing is their are drones about that actually buy it

..... By the truckload :)
And I'm not sure what you mean by 'the sad thing'.
Maybe to someone who won't let go of XP maybe, but for the 'drones' and the retailers, it's great news. A little perspective please Raindog!
You look after the luddites and we'll keep selling to the 'drones' :)




26 October 2009, 11:02 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting Me In Oz:
..... By the truckload

The infinite force of stupidity


Quoting Me In Oz:
And I'm not sure what you mean by 'the sad thing'.

You dont se it sad that no actual innovation is occuring? How very short-term retail of you.


Quoting Me In Oz:
Maybe to someone who won't let go of XP

What like the clear majority of business? Oh if only they had the expertise of retail salesmen eh?


Quoting Me In Oz:
but for the 'drones' and the retailers, it's great news

No they just think it's good new, the drones are too stupid to know any different and he retailers that cater for them are the same flash in the pan snake oil merchants that have come and gone for centuries. (though never a century per player)


Quoting Me In Oz:
You look after the luddites

What like big business? You salesmen sure are funny.


Quoting Me In Oz:
and we'll keep selling to the 'drones'

bottom feeder have to aim somewhere. :>


27 October 2009, 12:17 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
You dont se it sad that no actual innovation is occuring?

No! From a retailers perspective, as long as it sells.

Quoting Raindog:
No they just think it's good new

Wouldn't have it any other way :)

Quoting Raindog:
What like big business?

Yes! As long as their overpaid IT consultants keep postponing upgrading to better technologies for the sake of earning them more support and maintenance revenue. Close to home, Raindog?

Quoting Raindog:
bottom feeder have to aim somewhere

$10 from an 'IT guru' is the same as $10 from a 'bottom feeder'. As long as it ends in our bank account.




27 October 2009, 8:25 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
No! From a retailers perspective, as long as it sells.


I hope that's not evidence of you being one of those retailers that tell people anything just to sell something, regardless of whether it's appropriate or not.

27 October 2009, 8:55 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Tin:
being one of those retailers that tell people anything just to sell something

Anyone willing to drop $1500 for 2 GTX285's would have done their research, so we are cetainly not going to tell them that 1 GTX285 will give them 80% of the performance for half the price.

The customer is always right ................... right? ;-)




27 October 2009, 12:00 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

What makes you think they researched the decision to spend $1500? Some people just assume if you spend more it's better.

We always ask customers what they want something for. We'd rather people spend half as much now and come back multiple times than spend heaps once and never come back when they hear we're a ripoff.
But I guess that's partly because we're a country shop and can't rely on hundreds of thousands of customers who don't know each other.

27 October 2009, 12:27 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Anyone willing to drop $1500 for 2 GTX285's would have done their research

How do you figure that? More likely the individuals has been lead by marketing fluff and poor advice.


Quoting Me In Oz:
so we are cetainly not going to tell them that

Why not? To offer good advice is likely to lock in a customer for a very long time, and likely not to cost you anything. A clever salesmen could redirect the customer's budget to a much better value for money machine configuration and still gain the full spend of that budget? Dont you use clever sales people?


Quoting Me In Oz:
for half the price

see previous comments about clever sales people.



Quoting Me In Oz:
The customer is always right ................... right?

Sure is! That does not preclude offering customers good advice. When the customer ultimately works our he's spent too much despite ignoring good advice he's less likely to blame the retailers. (I did say less likely, you are targetting the nutjob market after all)

27 October 2009, 12:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting Me In Oz:
From a retailers perspective, as long as it sells

There are much better margins in cocaine, if all that matters is a quick sale without concern for the consumer.


Quoting Me In Oz:
Wouldn't have it any other way

Yeah that innovation stuff would involve actually inderstand the product for sale wouldn't it.


Quoting Me In Oz:
As long as their overpaid IT consultants

Your understanding relates to a now long gone era. The days of the IT mega buck are long gone in most progressive organisations. The gold watches and pay-outs handed out, and the work outsourced to cost effective options or absorbed into profit making departments.


Quoting Me In Oz:
keep postponing upgrading to better technologies

This is where your arguement comes a cropper. What is this better technology? Where is ther ROI for the corporate spend? Until those exist COA downgrades will be the order of the day. Only difference is a stack of W7 licenses beside the cupboard full of Vista ones. Very little has changed.


Quoting Me In Oz:
Close to home, Raindog?

Um, nope. A lot of those IT gurus you refer to base their businesses on delivering value. Do you know what value is? Do you understand how value could be attractive to an asute customer?



Quoting Me In Oz:
$10 from an 'IT guru' is the same as $10 from a 'bottom feeder

But what irks you (and what confounds MS) is why those same gurus are not in a lather to recommend expensive upgrades that deliver little or nothing in the way of real advantage. Those IT guru dollars you'll have to earn, sorry no free lunches here.


27 October 2009, 9:52 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

stefcep (User):

Vista Business has 'aero peak'

26 October 2009, 11:35 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Toosmoky (User):

Vista was an exercise in sheer frustration, marketed as an operating system.

27 October 2009, 6:36 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

todd_h86 (User):

Movie maker works great in 7 Me in Oz, more features etc I use it regulary with my home movies, it imports the video format directly from my camera so no more stupid panasonic software to convert it to a standard format!

Also ME was a bust but it did give us a lot of good stuff! Without ME we wouldnt have system restore or driver rollback!

Vista what can I say, I came, I saw, I upgraded like crazy, I left.


27 October 2009, 9:10 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

The Big Baboo (User):

:( Don't really know what I'll miss about Vista because I never tried it :)but now that I haven't and it's too late,I suppose I'll have missed a golden opportunity to bag it like a lot of other people who didn't like it.Ah well :)Que Sera Sera

27 October 2009, 9:12 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Halcon (User):

3 years ago I was about to buy Vista, but then the problems surfaced everywhere, fortunately I did not buy it!
This time around, Microsoft is promoting Windows 7 to the masses as a great product (for an over-inflated price) at this stage so many people will resort to get the pirated version.
Microsoft does not understand the needs of the people, so it wants to sell more and more.
I don't care if as a sinister monopoly want to sell its products here, I don't like the way is being sold the software.
If someone ask me for an opinion I would tell him/her to be cautious to spend on it, if money is a problem then try Linux instead.
Microsoft may be relieved of its mistake when released Windows Vista, but is not free of the mistakes it can do now if the pricing and the license conditions are not changed.
As a company it has abused for too long, It would be interesting to see what happens if Microsoft is taken to the International Human Rights Tribunal, with accusations of misleading promises, unrealistic conditions imposed upon the user base and higher cost.
I want to see the MS cronies jailed, without computer, Mobile phone and TV; they should not expect to eat McDonald's in prison.
As for the retailers, I never liked the morons that make pushy sales pitch to the less informed potential customers, with money in hand anyone can go and buy where the price is right without pressure from rotten bastards from hell.

27 October 2009, 2:17 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

BN (New user):


I WILL miss how reliable and stable it was for me.

So far in the first 2mths of Win7 I've had 2 BSOD and 1 Freeze! Yes i love win7 but at least the sleep function worked for me in Vista x64.

Now I've had to disable power saving modes to stop the BSOD n freezes.

27 October 2009, 4:51 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

NetR@nger (New user):

Quoting BN:
2mths of Win7 I've had 2 BSOD and 1 Freeze!


I always disable all screensavers,and use "always on" on my rigs,i find any os seems to run more smoothly,works for me.

28 October 2009, 9:04 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting BN:
Now I've had to disable power saving modes to stop the BSOD n freezes.

Quoting NetR@nger:
I always disable all screensavers,and use "always on" on my rigs

And as the result dribble in, confirmation of the suggestion that MS has rolled out more hype than product continues. These issues, (and signifigant others) have plagued windows releases for over a decade and no re-work of a toolbar is going to fix them.

Are we really wishing Vista bon voyage, or are the unwitting simply being offered a quick and very expensive Vista re-work, badged as W7?


28 October 2009, 9:46 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

BN (New user):

Quoting Raindog:
These issues, (and signifigant others) have plagued windows releases for over a decade and no re-work of a toolbar is going to fix them.


Its funny on my partners intel quad core rig win7 works perfectly with sleep and all other fuctions etc So I think its more of a HW issue with my AMD Quad core than a microsoft issue!

Either way Win7 is definitely a step in the right direction for MS

28 October 2009, 11:01 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

D3moli5ion (New user):

I have an Intel Core 2 Duo and was amazed that the sleep function of Win7 worked without a hitch on my PC.

I can agree with BN that Microsoft has made a positive step forward. It seems that MS has adressed the issues that Vista had, but so far, it is still early days. My personal experience on Win7 is 9.0/10 so far.

30 October 2009, 8:07 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jarige (New user):

Quoting D3moli5ion:
I have an Intel Core 2 Duo and was amazed that the sleep function of Win7 worked without a hitch on my PC.

Well I find that pretty awkward :P Shouldn't that work on every OS? It's pretty normal that such a function just works. Obviously, for you it didn't. But was it really worth the money you paid? :P
I would NEVER, EVER buy Windows again. If I buy a new pc/laptop I'd be sure that there's either no OS at all installed, or Linux, which is free. I don't want to pay for some bug fixes and GUI updates :S

06 November 2009, 6:54 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

D3moli5ion (New user):

Quoting Jarige:
Well I find that pretty awkward :P Shouldn't that work on every OS? It's pretty normal that such a function just works. Obviously, for you it didn't. But was it really worth the money you paid? :P
I would NEVER, EVER buy Windows again. If I buy a new pc/laptop I'd be sure that there's either no OS at all installed, or Linux, which is free. I don't want to pay for some bug fixes and GUI updates :S


To be honest- I didn't use the sleep functions on XP or on any other windows before that. A) It didn't work all that well LOL B) I only moved to Australia 3 years ago- where I come from, power interuptions can kill your pc if left on or in sleep. C) Windows is a work in progress.

It all depends on what you use your PC for. Windows is best suited for me.

14 November 2009, 11:50 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ken Johnson (New user):

Just use Mac or Linux and you don't have to worry about these problems!

28 October 2009, 11:14 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

BN (New user):

Quoting Ken Johnson:
Just use Mac or Linux and you don't have to worry about these problems!


LOL....
Any can all the applications I need run on Linux or MAC ? Nope
Can all the games I love run on Linux or Mac ? Nope
Fail! harder

28 October 2009, 11:33 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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