We don't need Vista after all?

Dan Warne29 December 2006, 6:42 AM

Now that we're close to the public launch of Vista, a weird thing is happening in the blogosphere: people are starting to say that we don't really need it after all.


Now that we're close to the public launch of Vista, a weird thing is happening in the blogosphere: people are starting to say that we don't really need it after all.

For so many years, XP was the exploit-riddled OS lacking in basic security measures and forcing 95% of computer users to fit in with a five-year-old user interface that desperately needed to be updated to stay competitive with the digital era.

Now that Microsoft has finally done it, it's "yawn, we don't really need that... why fix what ain't broke."

Here's a high-profile example: Microsoft blogger Paul Thurrott says in his review of Vista: "The problem isn't even that Microsoft promised us the world and then failed to deliver. No, the problem is that there's another OS out there that runs just fine on over 400 million computers around the world. That system is stable, secure, and gets the job done. It's Windows Vista's biggest competitor. To be fair, it's Windows Vista's only competitor. Maybe you've heard of it: It's called Windows XP."

Ballmer and Gates must be kicking themselves for releasing such a substantial update with XP SP 2.

To an extent I have to agree with Thurrott. I've run Vista on my work PC for months and have actually gone back to XP for the time being (I'm still running a Vista box for testing and experimentation; just not working on it full time).

It's not that Vista isn't better than XP -- it is, in many ways -- it's that certain apps that I rely on don't work properly in it yet (Citrix GoToMyPC is one prime example -- I'll be buggered if I'm going to keep paying the monthly fee for a service that doesn't work in Vista, and Blackberry Desktop Manager doesn't seem to work properly with Office 2007.)

The benefits of Vista just aren't that enormous over XP, which, as it is at the end of its life cycle, works with everything.

In an upcoming edition of APC I've written about the top 10 reasons you should care about Vista. For me, many of the most important aspects of Vista come down to shell user-interface refinement: the ability to browse through a folder of photos in a method similar to Apple iPhoto, or a folder of music using ID3 tags rather than filenames.

Frankly, though, these improvements didn't need six years of kernel rewriting -- they could have been implemented by reworking the XP desktop.

It is certainly nice to have the option of a more modern operating system than XP. But upgrading to Vista on an existing PC may be a waste of money if you don't find XP irritating to use at the moment. Given Microsoft Australia has hiked up the local pricing so much compared to what Vista sells for in the US, the cost of the Vista upgrade is non-trivial. Probably the only way to buy Vista at a fair price is to get it with a new PC, where you'll probably only be paying $100 - $150 for the full OEM licence.


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Jason:

I have no problems with XP at all and see no need to upgrade just to get a fancier interface. I dont stare at folders and the Start menu all day, only long enough to get into Firefox or the app I need. How long before a virus mysteriously appears that targets users of XP, forcing everyone to upgrade?

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

James Wilcox:

There are some things I like about Vista, and some things I don't. I don't like how it seems to be a bit dumbed down and UAC continually annoys me. Are you sure???
Their also seem to be bugs in the final version of mediacenter, but it could be just that my tv tuners driver isn't properly compatible yet.
James Wilcox, jameswilcox.co.nr

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

morethannoise:

The only reason I would consider Vista over XP would be the availability of DirectX 10. Even so, an operating system "upgrade" would require a video card upgrade to something DX10 capable.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tek Janssen:

That basically sums it up for me. I am not interested in Vista. I am not interested in Microsoft services that are supposed to tie in with Vista (an antitrust violation no doubt). I just want to be able to play the latest PC games and run my apps.

Vista is a bloated mess full of features no one asked for. MS put these "features" in because it is part of their long-term strategy to control online multimedia, collaboration, and business. Or should I say, it's their latest attempt to do so, now that IE+ActiveX scheme has failed.

You know, if MS feels like using consumers to promote MS services, they should give Vista away for free. Even then I would think twice about installing it.

Game devs, use OpenGL, don't fall for MS lock-in, because eventually you'll be sorry if you do. You know how MS operates by now, don't you?

29 February 2008, 8:35 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SteveR:

another reason to think long & hard about upgrading to Vista
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jimbo:

Wow somebody really is jealous that they didn't get one of these Ferraris.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC administrator:

Hehe oh puh-leeeze Jimbo :-) If you're going to yank my chain, you'll have to yank a bit harder. I have a fully optioned MacBook Pro -- as Om Malik said, "I need another laptop like I need a hole in my head."

29 February 2008, 8:35 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bart:

Likewise, I'm running a fully optioned MacBook Pro and running the few Windows only programs I have to run under Parallels Desktop. Working beautifully-- no malware no problems!

29 February 2008, 8:35 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

I agree... Parallels with Coherency is amazing. However, it should be pointed out that if you are running Parallels you are running real Windows, so you're as open to malware as any "bare metal" Windows user.

29 February 2008, 8:35 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Octavio:

Dear Dan: Many frustrated Windows users should give a serious look switching to a Mac. MacOSX Tiger is by far better than Windows Vista is by far faster, safer, much more elegant and intuitive, much more stable and a by far cheaper, free of virus. 100% plug and play.
Also the new MacIntels can run Windows natively and users have two computers in one.
And the last and best advantage, Users can run easily 3 new OSX releases, with no need to buy or upgrade their actual computer. What happens with Windows? each time a new OS is out users need to buy a new much more powerful computer. this is ridiculous.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jordn Fenton:

Firstly, I've used Windows basically all my life. I switched to XP in 2002/2003 and, at the moment, it's ridiculously-customised. I'm happy with it, and even though I was really looking forward to Longhorn (as in the, ahem, real not watered-down Longhorn) and Vista for quite some time, I'll be sticking with it for a long time yet. SP3's a good couple of years away, or so I've heard, and the support (which I never use, anyway) is likely to last a good few more years to come.

But I'm wavering from my point. Instead of ditching your PC and buying a new-fangled Mac (which I intend to do as soon as I have the money), why not just keep your PC, keep all your data in one place and just get, oh, I don't know... a Linux distro?

Sure, it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I've finally gotten Ubuntu up and running and I couldn't be happier.

I'm wavering again.

I think that XP is fine for years to come. Yes, I think that was my point.

29 February 2008, 8:35 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

Just switch to Mac OSX Leopard. As Octavio said, switch to Mac OSX Tiger, Leopard is coming out soon and Microsoft copied Mac OSX's things eg. the widgets. And its virus and spyware free 100%. If using Windows XP Pro, just look around for some themes or skins to change the current look to a Windows Vista Look.

29 February 2008, 8:35 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Wes:

At the moment XP looks alright and to get Vista there must be a compelling reason to do so. At the moment that reason simply isn't there.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

I don't have any issues with XP...now! Its taken 4 years or so, whenever the SP2 was released. Everyone knows that the first editions are riddled with bugs, such as incompatible with current software, virus loopholes open for hackers, more commonly spyware. I beg the question, why release it now? XP is now (practically) bug free and you can through dos emulation run older software.

I know what MS are saying, its to support the new 64 bit Intel processors...but hang on a second AMD have been 64 bit for sometime now and you can get a 64 bit version of XP. Who knows where tomorrow will take us.

p.s. I support HD DVD not BLU RAY, its another VHS vs BETA. ;)

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

James Wilcox:

If you say you don't need Vista and you won't upgrade to Vista, thats most likely going to be a load of rubbish, isn't it. I'm not saying your going to rush out on Jan 30 and grab a copy. You'll probably be forced to upgrade to Vista. MS will drop off support for XP, just like 2000. Half the applications you want to use, you won't be able to upgrade to the latest version. Why? because MS drop support,Then the developers do as well.. Whats the point of making apps for an obsolete OS.
People running OS X, why are you even bothering to read though this article read and these comments? If you hated Vista so much then you wouldn't leave comments in the first place!!!
James Wilcox, http://jameswilcox.co.nr

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Finnaddict:

we're leaving comments here not because we hate Vista but because the landscape of our digital life is about to change and of course we're interested in what happens! Especially coz our macbooks dual boot.

moron...

29 February 2008, 8:35 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

p0ss:

I have it, i don't want it. I bought a laptop, they would not sell me the laptop without vista. After 2 days, the only thing i had done was rip some music with media center, watched some tele and turned of uac, It started crashing, constantly. It had not been connected to the net, i had installed nothing. aparently backing up my legitimately purchased cd's was too much for vista to handle. And of course, the only way to get my laptop out of its infinite crash/reboot spiral was to physically rip the battery out of a powered on machine.
It is now about a week since i got my lappy, i have tried to install all my usual apps, 70% don't work. None of my burnt games work, only legitimate copies, same with CD's. Even the legally bought songs i had sitting on an xp box will not work once transfered by thumbdrive to vista.
I am typing on vista now, and i can honestly say it is a steaming heap of crap. I got on my friends 10 year old puter and was amazed, it could rip and play songs, i could install apps and games, everything a computer should do. Vista won't do what 98 could do. It's not that it can't, it just won't.
I don't need or want vista, and allthough i have never used linux, today i am downloading it. Wish me luck, for while it is scary walking blindly into the unknown, it has to be better than vista.. it couldn't possibly be worse.

29 February 2008, 8:35 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

To be honest, I just don't see the point of Vista.

Yes, I'm aware of the new security features and the OSX-like features, but I don't need them. They don't offer any practical benefits that I can get elsewhere at low cost or for free.

I'm more likely to install Core Force (a free granular access control and firewall solution) and Sandboxie (free sandboxing solution) ontop of WinXP to improve my security. As well, I minimise the use of Admin priviledges. (Use WinXP's Fast User Switching feature).

Essentially, you can emulate the majority of Vista's security features without paying too much money. Sandboxie is nag-ware after a period, but its AUD$32 to register...And if you want, its AUD$50 for ProcessGuard, a popular Aussie-made security solution...That price is for the "Unlimited license" (As in you can install it on as many home PCs that you own, at the same time! That's also the same with Sandboxie's price!)

Not to mention the need to invest in new hardware for Vista, if you want the "full Vista experience". (As well as waiting for driver support, since Microsoft has completely changed the driver model in Vista!)

The only reason left to even bother with Vista is upcoming games. That is, games that specifically use DirectX 10. In that case, you could be better off considering a game console and waiting for the game to be ported on to that platform.

If you can, consider Linux as a replacement for most of your desktop duties. (A common thing is to dual boot, have Linux do most of the things, and only boot to Windows when its absolutely necessary. Such as games and specific applications that you cannot live without)...Since I disable networking on the Windows side (isolated), I don't have to worry about security. :)

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

PeterPan:

Cmon Mr Invistigator, please don't fall into the trap of valuing the opinions of lazy bloggers. What the hell is the so-called logosphere, and why does it matter what it thinks when most have not done the work to truly evaluate Vista? Do your homework. If you really think there is no point to Vista then why not do a detailed comparison of XP and Vista and let your users make up their minds. OS upgrades generally contain thousands of improvements, some of which may be critical to a particular user and not to others. Dan, sounds like if all you want from an OS is a better shell interface, and XP meets your requirements, stick to XP but don't pass that off as a judgement that Vista is not worth upgrading to. And for the other people making comments who claim they'll stick with XP - if people has this same attitude to buying new cars we'd all be driving Model T Fords - or like the Linux users, still trying to build cars ourselves in our garages.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

For those familiar with the Stockholm Syndrome..... this confirms that the process is at play to a deep level within the Windows user community.

Even a change from the mother ship cannot break thro the deep seated attachment to a system that, although flawed, is relied upon heavily by most users.

Very interesting... and yes it is likely that there will be a whole series of plausible explanations to defend the attachment.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jeffrey McPheeters:

From past historical statistics regarding 'upgrades' it appears that most users still do not actually upgrade their operating systems directly. That is, only about relatively small percetage of existing XP users will actually go the expense and trouble of buying and installing Vista over an existing XP installation. This actually is similar in Mac circles as well. Most users are not reflected in the blogs, polls, etc. on technical websites. Most users get their OS when they buy a computer. Thus, Apple and Microsoft convert most of their user base through new computer purchases. So, while there will be boxed copies of Vista for sale, and certainly many millions will sell to customers determined to upgrade, there will be tens of millions of computers with Vista installed by default sold to customers which will create MOST of the installed base of Vista installations over the next 3 or 4 years.

This may be changing ever so slightly, as many Mac purchasers will now be potential customers of Vista when it can be installed on Intel Macs, but that is still relatively a minor number in the whole scheme of things.

Historically, Microsoft shows better 'conversion rates' due to the long periods between new versions, since most users will replace a computer more than once every 5 years, while Apple, creating a new OS version every 18 months or so, causes the opposite effect, creating more dilution in recent version market penetration.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jazza:

Dan,

If you think Macs are so hot, why doesn't your magazine ever feature them?? Why don'y you write about them?

I'm at a cross road between buying a Mac and a PC..

Why not do a comparison between Mac OS and Vista?

Cheers

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

HoHum:

I'll switch to Vista when SP2 or SP3 is released for it. Been burned too many times by v1.0s Microsoft can use all you lot as beta testers! ;)

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

HoHum:

You can't do everything you want in Windoze that you can in Linsux. In Linsux there's a way to do nearly ANYTHING as long as you have unlimited hours.

Linsux makes a fantastic server platform but there's just too much that doesn't work properly and is too far behind in it to be good as a workstation.

MacOSX is nice. It does everything and includes the power of having BSD under the bonnet. Love MacOSX.

But Windoze is the only serious choice for business computing. Everything is written for it and bits are cheap.

I'll switch to Vista when it grows up.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Feldwebel Woldfenstool:

Try PICASA 2, for free....or use Canon Camera's ZOOMBROWSER.....

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Neville:

Vista is nice. Has some good features. Looks sleek.

But after using Mac OS X 10.4 for the past 18months, Windows Vista is nothing to rave about. I'm really not sure what all this fuss is about?

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