What Telstra didn't want to hear

Dan Warne
09 May 2007, 2:34 PM


Telstra has discovered an inconvenient truth about being part of the 'blogocracy': nearly 100% of people contributing to Telstra's corporate blog poll think it's Telstra's fault we don't yet have a fibre network.


OPINION | Telco giant Telstra likes to paint itself as being part of the democratic blogging revolution.

If you believe its spin doctors, it is actively encouraging public debate and telling the truth about regulation in Australia, revealing the story of how it is merely the underdog, earnestly trying to build better networks to serve customers.

The company has recruited and mobilised an army of "Telstra Active Supporters", who post encouraging comments on the corporation's blog, and are encouraged to pepper politicians with emailed letters (1,000 a week, according to the company) pressuring them to change the law to give Telstra a clear run at the money.

But there's a hitch in its plan: the stats show that people just don't agree. Customers are exercising their right to vote overwhelmingly against Telstra in online polls the company runs on its site.

Some inconvenient truths are coming out for Telstra.

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For example, the current poll on the site asks the question: "Who do you think is blocking high-speed broadband for Australia?"

The inconvenient answer: it's almost 100% Telstra's fault, according to readers of Telstra's blog.

The poll result is not an anomaly, either. The blog's editor, Rod Bruem, says the site is getting 100,000 unique users a month, which must be providing a pretty decent survey sample.

Telstra's archived polls reveal the following results:

  • Do you think Australia is over-regulated? No: 65.6%
  • Will reducing staff numbers at Telstra increase efficiency? No: 79.2%
  • What services should be subject to regulation: All services 49% (highest rated answer)
  • How do you think Telstra is progressing with its plans to provide new and better services for customers? I can't see much difference or it's going in reverse 65.3%
  • Who is mostly to blame for Australia missing out on a high-speed fibre network? Telstra 40.2% (highest rated answer)
  • Do you think passengers should be able to make mobile phone calls inflight? No 64.7% (Telstra is going ahead as Qantas' inflight mobile roaming trial partner anyway)
  • Should the ACCC Chairman resign after the regulator was found to have acted illegally towards Telstra? No 73.1%
  • Which feature would most likely infuence your decision to buy wireless broadband: Price 68.8% (Telstra is by far the most expensive wireless broadband provider)

Poor old Telstra. Even on the website that has the highest concentration of sympathisers in the world, it can't even get the stats to support its arguments.

The company is a little prickly about the question of whether it pays attention to what people think. "Yes Telstra does take note of comments coming into nowwearetalking, as the front page banner says, 'Telstra listens", spinblogger Rod Bruem told APC.

We'll wait with bated breath to see how Telstra gets on with the job of rolling out a fibre network in the face of the consumer feedback that it's to blame for the plan stalling to date.


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Anonymous2222222222:

If they listened broadband might actually be decent.

BTW I voted Telstra is holding it back.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous1:

Now they have stated that someone spammed the poll, poor telstra just don't have a clue.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous3w1234:

They took the poll down and blamed being 'spammed'.

Yeah right. They just can't handle the truth.

I wonder if they'll retrospectivly delete the old polls becuase they were spammed as well?

Telstra are pathetic.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous1234:

I really dont think that telstra actually learnt from a previous poll that they put up:

Who is mostly to blame for Australia missing out on a high-speed fibre network (FTTN) for broadband?

ACCC - 25.5%
Australian Government - 34.3%
Telstra - 40.2%

Total votes: 823. Poll date: 09 August 2006 to 23 August 2006


WOW...that really looks oddly familiar with the recent results. Still with telstra as the loser in the poll.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

As Expected:

If polls don't give the desired responses... it must have been hacked. ;)

Poll replaced and lead story claims interference. Disingenous at best.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

justthething84:

If you compare Optus ADSL 2 plan that has 60GB and 20mbps and the Telstra plan with the same specs there is an $70.00 difference. Optus' plan is $79.95 and Telstra's is $149.95. Optus 'yes' data (40GB of the 60GB) can only be downloaded between 12midnight and 12noon) but looking at that - it is obvious which plan is the one with the better value. Plus people can set up things to download during this time anyway like movies and games etc.

Telstra has been ripping this country off for years and they need to wake up to the fact that they are being unfair with their internet prices. Telstra tells me the reason their plans are dearer is because they offer other services such as Bigpond movies. Last time I had a look at Bigpond movies on Media Center in Windows Vista Ultimate it crashed. Another issue all together, but after looking through their range of tv shows I couldn't even find what I was looking for. Telstra is spreading itself thinly like butter over too much bread. Telstra should concentrate on providing what it's supposed to do ie. provide telecommunications technology instead of some lame online movie site. Not to mention the pathetic Bigpond presence on Second Life. Every time I go to Bigpond on Second Life there is 0-5 people at any one time. Extra services such as these are unnecessary and divert away from Telstra is supposed to do in the first place.

Telstra's customer service is abysmal. Every time I email them I have been replied to with a default template response that has been set up almost like a mail merge - a document that Telstra has created and just changes it to include your name. This is poor quality customer service. All responses I have received from Telstra via email have also been filled up with Bigpond movies advertising.

Telstra rates itself as a World-class telecommunications company however I fail to see what it does better than Optus. One day Telstra will have to succumb to the competitive prices offered by companies such as Optus . The general population (non IT) would chose Telstra as an ISP because they are uncomfortable of using ISPs such as TPG and Optus because they are not familiar with them and Telstra takes advantage of this and charges them a fortune. It's greedy.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anon:

has anyone seen the current poll on NWAT?
it asks "Have you ever tried to rig an online poll?"

out of 1711 votes.
yes - 38
no - 137
i don't know how - 1536

this is a classic comeback by the public, to the clowns that run Telstra.


29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mick:

Notice how they've taken this poll down now that it has gone so obviously against them. They now are asking if you've ever tried to rig an online poll.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

amazed:

This is a silly article. I went to the now we are talking page to check it out and it turns out some hackers skewed the results. I wonder if it were the idiot who wrote this article?

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Martin:

... and you know this definitively ... how ? Because Telstra told you ? Change your monicker from "amazed" to "gullible".

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Matt:

You might want to have a look at the site now. The latest poll is titled "Have you ever tried to rig an online poll?".

Telstra spin doctors at work.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Kevin:

To put it simply if you want someone to do something then you give then what they want in return.
The government wants telstra to built a fibre
network yet there not willing to give any simple regulartory guarantees in return. As is expected
of the liberal government they are against the labor
party idea of spending government money on broadband
and instead want companies like telstra to spend over $4 billion of its own money providing infrastucture and therefore doing the governments job. If the government not going to do it themselves then the accc should stick out of telstra business. All telstra was is assurance that they wont have to sell access to the fibre network to competitors at below cost. If telstra is the one that builds the network then it is their network so competitors shouldnt get cheap access. Telstras prices to its customers will be fair prices, they just dont want to help out competitors which is reasonable. Telstra wants to build a fibre network for the country and they dont ask for much in return. If you dont like it then go spend your own $4 billion and you can give your services to competitors at below cost so that they can profit instead if you want but that would be stupid.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous_UsedAlready:

You will also find that telstra want to make it impossible for current providers to use the current system. IE the new system *replaces* copper, making all the investment others have made in ADSL infrastructure useless.
Telstra aren't asking for the cost to competitors to be above cost; they want it to be WELL into the profit range.
If they are going to destroy their competitors infrastructure AND destroy pricing in broadband at the same time, count me out of a Telstra broadband solution.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mark:

hate to sya this but 4 billion was a rather conservative guestimate, the actual cost of the network is expected to be a lot more

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

kevin:

ur comment about $4billion being a guestimate, why do you think i clearly stated "over $4 billion" this clearly means i meant more than that amount which shows that i agree that it would cost more than that amount.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

KevinJ:

Kevin it sounds like you are suggesting the Federal Government lets Telstra have it's cake and eat it too. Every day I hear arguments about how Telstra owns the infrastructure and G9 can't replace it without paying for it and no-one else can get into the ducts and lay new cables blah blah blah. Yet now you come out with this rubbish that the Government has to pay for the upgrade. I guess once that is over you'll go back to the old spin of It's OUR network and you can't touch it rubbish. If the government pays for it the GOVERNMENT owns it, NOT Telstra.

Besides if Telstra only wanted to make a fair profit they wouldn't have the ridiculous bills coming out like we see reported each month. $500 for one month of ADSL. Or get this, $15,000 for one month of ISDN Internet Access. That is hardly an example of Telstra recouping the costs of supplying the service. It is blatant profit grabbing and should be illegal.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

kevin:

i see that you seem to forget the labour proposal which is what i was refering to, meaning if they pay and do not sell of network then it governments. And yeah current networks are telstras because they were built by telstra yeh using government money but that has been paid back mutiple times over and the sell off of telstra now means that shareholders legally own the networks.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymousggggggggggggg:

Telstra have now pulled the poll off the page and are claiming that it was 'spammed'.
They can't even get the terminology right, let alone consider the result may be genuine. What hope is there?

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

roydsy:

telstra have pulled the poll down claiming that it was spammed and the results skewed. Pffft. truly sad PR.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous5:

They are trying to say for "the first time ever" the poll has been rigged.

Bollocks.

Telstra admits manipulating surveys
whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm/711

Telstra management found poll rigging ''incredibly funny''
whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm/752

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

MisterEd:

They have now updated the poll on their homepage.

The current poll reads "Have you ever tried to rig an online poll?".

It seems they are trying to suggest someone has been stuffing fake votes into the poll.

Their claim does have some merit to it. According to the archived polls page 13,324 votes were made on that poll. In previous polls the highest they got was only 2,664 votes.

It certainly does seem that someone has decided to rig the poll.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

D.R.:

I just when to the Telstra joke site and it seems that someone has been spamming their polls and distorting the results so they have removed the poll.
Why do I find this hard to believe since I don't know of anyone who has too many favourable things to say about Telstra?

Can not believe how pathetic that site is. Some marketing people really do have there hand on it.


29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

bryce roney:

Apparently according to the holy grail of journalistic unbiasedness, the Telstra team have claimed the poll as being hacked - www.nowwearetalking.com.au

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

DM:

I notice that Telstra have removed the poll from their site. They claim that it has been 'spammed'. This does not explain all the other results though....

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jamie:

They've taken down the Poll and accused "Spammers"

That's funny

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tin:

Current replacement poll is as childish as most Telstra stunts. Wonder if they'll ever replace their management with grown-ups....

The poll is also meaningless anyway. Who's going to admit they have possible mangled previous Telstra polls? Thus a large number of votes may be unreliable.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Aubrey:

This was my first visit to that site and it really is a sad indictment on what was once a good company. Childish is putting mildly. It looks like something some right-wing American lobbyist would have come up with (maybe 10 years ago).

But after reading one "article" I do now suspect that Coonan woman to be the devil incarnate and probably responsible for rigging the poll. And that Samuels guy must eat children.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

Anyone taking the time to read the spin doctoring on the Telstra propaganda site should also read This Site for a more honest account of what is going on in Australian telecommunications.

Tell The Truth Telstra !!!

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

bill:

You'd also have to concider that most of these polls will be rigged.

Once someone posts up about a poll on Whirlpool the people there vote on the polls making the pols way out of wack as well.

100,000 site vistors doesn't mean anything were compared to the number of people who have voted on the polls.

You would have to take this into account as well.

Something to think about if Telstra never paid to install DSL these ISPs would not exist at all.


29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

if Telstra never paid to install DSL these ISPs would not exist at all If Avis & Hertz didn't buy utilities and hire them out for profit, businesses wouldn't be able use them for contracts!
If Taxi Drivers didn't buy Cabs they wouldn't be able to lease travel in them!
These companies are regulated on what they do and on how much they can charge for services, why should Telstra expect to be exempt from similar regulation.
Telstra profits heartily from resale, the fact the resellers of Telstra wholesale can deliver a better and cheaper service than Bigpond could ever dream of doing is what irks Telstra.
Telsta is in the box seat to be Australia's premium value provider but this has never, and will probably never materialise, the public are responding with their wallets and their sneakers.

Even if this poll had a disproportionate response from Whirlpool readers it is still a broad response from that cross section of internet users. Whirlpool has no direct alliance and offers space for comment on all telcos and resellers, so its still a damning condemnation of Sol's dwindling telco.

From what I've seen of Sol's leadership of Telstra, I doubt he could effectively manage a shopping centre phone kiosk. Sol would be demanding all other phone kiosks be banned from the centre and he would want government subsidies for his handset stock. Hell the man cant even organise his PR chumps to run a suitably lopsided poll on a propaganda website.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mark:

as for taxi drivers having to buy taxis, this is true however they do not need to lend/rent their taxis to their competitors at a government decided price. e.g. swan taxis does not lend thier taxis to black and white taxis. if a company spend 4 billion dollars then why shouidl bthey have to let their competitors use their infrastructure, it is like saying to a mining company, ok you bought all this machinery so you can mine, however we would like you to lend your machinery to your competitor at a reasonable rate. yes we know this means you do not have full access to your infrastructure you paid for so you could provide a good reliable service, but we need to be fair to everyone, that can't afford to buy millions of dollars worth of mining equiptment. if the other telcos can't afford to build their own infrastructure then thats their bad luck.

and BTW i do actually hate telstra. so i am not on thier side i just see where they are coming from, in reality the government should pay for the infrastructure, i.e the labour idea is the only viable solution

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

But take the taxi analogy a bit further, Telstra Taxis have their own fleet of cabs (Telstra Retail) and control of Taxi Ranks and dispatch system (Telstra Wholesale). If those same ranks and dispatch networks were originally funded from public money, Would it be fair for Telstra Cabs to expect monopoly access to all newer cab ranks and be allowed to charge rival cab companies whatever they wanted for use of existing ranks and dispatch?

Telsta has a stranglehold on the exchange infrastructure, the tunnels pits & trenches, of the network. That same infrastructure was not provided as the result of Telstra shareholder investment it was public money spent over many decades. Use of those resources must be regulated and made equally available to all players.

Other providers become hindered by Telstra's monopoly access to infrastructure, those same rival Telcos are ready to invest but are hamstrung by disproportionate charges for use of resources that telstra inherited.

Why did it take till 2007 for Telstra to open the potential of existing ADSL infrastructure to it's real capacity of 8M?

Why will Telstra only install ADSL2 equipment after a competitor has trail-blazed the installation of ADSL2 to that same exchange?

Why does Telstra peddle the myth of others leaching off their equipment when those competitors pay rental for floor space, air conditioning, cable connections and line rental to equipment they themselves have financed and provided?

Why has Telstra deliberately restricted further roll-out of ADSL to regional and outer suburban areas, and can Telstra withstand close scrutiny to cost justification of their old tech services such as ISDN?

Make no mistake, left to their own devices Telstra would still have us all paying by the minute for dial-up Internet.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

PnB_Predator:

Mate, that is the best post I have ever read. I simply don't know how ANYONE can defend Tel$stra when faced with the facts! They would have to be the company that MOST relies on lies, deceit and general lack of knowlege by the average consumer in australia.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

kevin:

mark i agree with u fully

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Robbo:

would you like a fight?

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

The last one to be drawn to fisticuffs at the mere mention of the words "Taxi Driver" was former federal labour savior, a one Mr M Latham of Green Valley.
Robbo ? or is it Mark? :>

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymouse:

Sadly Telstra and their subsidiaries won't even listen to their own employees, why would they listen to the general public?

Standard argument from within, "it's my toy, you can look at it, but you can't touch!", and this is very much the same attitude it has with it's customers, including the wholesale ones...

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Pirate Steve:

"In previous polls the highest they got was only 2,664 votes."

If you had a really good look you would see that the actual last highest vote numbers was over 6417. Oh yes and funnily enough that went agaist Telstra also.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Gwido:

Honestly how much effort would be involved to rig such a poll. Surely Telstra being the biggest Telco in AU has methods of stoppping such things from occurring.

Even a spoofed IP can be tracked back to the originator. Wouldn't a stateful packet inspection firewall prevent this from occurring?

Cmon Telstra stop with the bollocks and trying to monoplise things. They should of lived up to there poromise in the 80's and 90's and put FTTN in like they promised rather than hitting these brick walls now and being punished.

Australia's broadband network could be 100% better if the red tape was cut and the Telco's would co-operate more rather than have the interest of just there shareholders in mind.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mark:

the whole fact that our servicesa re crap in aus is primarlily due to the government selling off telstra, making it a business responsible to it's shareholders, so when they want to run a service to the bush they look at the $ value, it's a business that wants to make money, so there is no money in providing a link to the middle of aus for 2 people to use. Tesltra is crap and their service is crap, but the real question is when did all this start, the answer is simple, when the governemt sold off telstra.

As for broadband, i firmly believe the govenment shoudl have control of infrastructure and be responsible for keeping it up to date. this way the government can provide decent links to the bush adn shareholders arent complaining about wasting money. labour does havethe right plan for moving forward with broadband in australia, which is amongst the worst service for a first world country in the world.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mutkey:

.... because the following is true:
- the technology can be implemented
- young people like new technology and will use it (even paying throught their noses... or their parents!)
- Telstra will base their decision on popular demand... (that is young people's demand)
- the old technology will be faced out
against popular public agreement
- the businesses important to Telstra (Big business and Govt) will use the new technology once telstra ....forces them due to other means of communications (the ones being faced out)
- You, me and the rest of the smithes are outside of the equation... we dont count
- we either agree with Telstra and use their chosen technology, or we dont
- If we dont, then we dont count on their "customer based" head count therefore you dont count as a negative vote, or a positive, you just dont get counted!
- If we do, by no other choice, then we do get counted as a Telstra supporter of the technology being forced to use...

Example. I had a mobile on CDMA network, so did the majority of the Rural australia and most mobile financial lenders (on their wireless notebooks). Telstra faced out CDMA, even against GOVT, Rural people and local folks choice...

We were forced to move to GSM. Or not to use it.

now I am counted as a GSM Telstra supporter user, as I had no other choice...

JUST PLAIN BULLYING!!!




29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Gavin:

The reason the poll turned out in there favour was it was posted on Whirlpool which is a site that is actually about broadband with people who have an idea on what they are talking about

I bet 99% of the people supporting telstra's Nowwearetalking either are shareholders who just want more money or people who have absolutely no clue on how broadband work's or what telstra is doing

Telstra are a rip off and they CANNOT blame the ACC

Even back in the old 28.8k dialup days telstra were a rip off, They are ripping people off with there mobile phones, same with home lines

Telstra loose in there poll OH MY IT MUST HAVE BEEN RIGGED QUICKLY SHIFT THE BLAME ONTO SOMEONE ELSE MAKE US LOOK GOOD

Bunch of loosers

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

pleasewhyisntmytimevalued:

Well I have to say this is all very interesting. I too live in rural Australia, and by default have no choice of mobile or high speed broadband other than Telstra.

I also have been "encouraged" to move from CDMA and so have purchased a new phone that runs on NextG. A recent visit to the city enabled me to check out the phones that are available on NextG, and I would have purchased the desired one then and there but for the complete lack of honesty of the salesman - I have never experienced such an extreme lack of integrity, I was flabergasted, so I walked out and thought I will buy it online.

So I did.

The new phone arrived after about ten days via a courier. For those who don't understand how useless a courier is in rural Australia, ask me to explain.

So after the courier made his second visit to our local town and I made a special trip there to meet him it was all good..........or so I thought.

I had to ring 1800819023 to activate my phone. I suggest everyone try to do that, and convieniently you can only call between 9am and 4pm, Monday to Friday. I bet you can't find someone to pick up the phone, go on try it and prove me a liar!!

So after 2 days and over 5 hours of redialing the above number I finally got a real person to talk to. Guess what?? They had sent the wrong sim card!! That was last Friday when I finally got to talk to someone, today I decide that the new sim card that was promised to be sent last Friday was probably lost on startrack so I called again (I had asked that it be sent Australia Post because they actually have a phyisical presence in our town, but was told that Telstra only deals with startrack).......same stuff, I could not get onto anyone, eventually I rang every number listed on the website hoping for someone to at least care a little ( I sent an email and received a form type response, I had given all my details but there was no aknowledgement), I was so distressed, I got a headache and I never get headaches, I was nearly in tears.

I used to say that at least Telstra looks after us in the bush, well I don't think that anymore - I really am lost for words when I try to explain this madness.

Thankyou for reading this.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

What's the chances of Geek Gear printing that poll onto a T-Shirt?

Who'd like to be seen around town in a something both fashionable and informative?

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Brian White:

Is it me, or has Testicle Telstra removed the polls from NWAT ?

Cant get the results you want, with your own polls on your own website ? Thats right, Remove the polls.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

justthething84:

The testicle needs a shave, that is, shave the PRICES OF BIGPOND (testicle) PLANS.

Nice affordable Testicle for everyone. Then we'll all like Testicle.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Kevin:

telstra is not running a charity. You shouldnt expect them to provide a service below the price they want to charge. If you cant afford it then that your own problem and stop your complaining and let telstra build the network under any circumstances they like so that australians who can afford the service dont have to wait for ages. People who complain about internet prices are the same that complain about petrol prices. If petrol companies want to charge higher prices and there economic outcome improves then let them. If they can sell less petrol at a higher price and still make higher profits then good on them. Surely you cant expect petrol companies to lower their prices just as a good gesture for the public. If u cant afford something then boo hoo bad for you. I cant afford to buy aston martin i dont complain and say they should lower their price. If you are looking for charity then go to the salvation army.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

telstra is not running a charity.(Obviously) You shouldn't expect them to provide a service below the price they want to charge.(I guess I shouldn't expect polite and efficient customer service or value for money or consistent delivery of service at those over inflated Telstra prices either)
If you cant afford it then that your own problem and stop your complaining and let telstra build the network under any circumstances they like so that Australians who can afford the service dont have to wait for ages.(the poor value and over-pricing has little to do building a network, despite Telstra being the only party to profit from every Australian Internet connection they have invested little, anyone who has seen the changes and neglect within exchanges over the last decade will confirm this)
People who complain about Internet prices are the same that complain about petrol prices.(Yes consumers with a clue. Your point is?) If petrol companies want to charge higher prices and there economic outcome improves then let them.(Um, no , petrol companies have to provide some degree of justification for their pricing or face heavy regulation, a concept Telstra had better come to Terms with) If they can sell less petrol at a higher price and still make higher profits then good on them.(No! not from a monopoly position they cannot, that's what the ACCC is there for. And all strength to Mr Samuels) Surely you cant expect petrol companies to lower their prices just as a good gesture for the public.(We dont! We expect them to abide by the law of the land. This may be a hostile concept to Sol as he acts out his "how the west was won" fantasy, but after he watches any cowboy movie he should soon come to terms with the Hombres always getting shot and the good guys always winning out.) If u cant afford something then boo hoo bad for you.(And Boo Hoo for the the long term survival of any organisation that cannot offer market competitive prices) I cant afford to buy Aston Martin(No on a junior Telstra PR monkeys salary, I am not surprised.) i dont complain and say they should lower their price.(That's good, I doubt AM sales people have much time for dreamers, fools or time wasters) If you are looking for charity then go to the salvation army (If you are looking to win an argument or even to make a point of view then you'd best have something meaningful to say.)

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

kevin:

as is obvious in the text i meant aston martin the company and well too late man the sales reps have already dealt with me.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

justthething84:

Telstra Bigpond plans are too expensive. They have always been over priced and the general consumer who is not IT literate doesn't know this.

As for petrol prices, we are talking about Internet plans and that is a totally different thing. As Telstra says "compare like with like" not apples and peaches. By the way I personally couldn't care less about the price of petrol but lets not divert attention away from THE HUGE PRICE OF BIGPOND PLANS.

Telstra charges too much for Internet plans and it takes advantage of the innocent uninformed non-IT consumer. Telstra is a joke to most IT people because any smart person in the know wouldn't touch Telstra Bigpond plans with a 5km copper line unless they had too (ie due to the pathetic roll out of broadband they may be unfortunately STUCK with Telstra).

People in IT aren't stupid and they know Telstra charges way over the amount that every other ISP charges. This stops technology uptake in the country simply because people can't afford the plans.



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