What's wrong with Ubuntu 7.04

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Ashton Mills30 April 2007, 1:34 AM

It's one of the Linux kingdom's most anticipated releases, and promises to be the best user-friendly desktop distributions yet (so easy your grandma could use it, we're told). Now that it's here, does it live up to the hype?


Now I'm as fond of Ubuntu as the next penguin, but I'm a bit of distro whore really -- I'm always trying new ones and my current system has all of Gentoo, SuSE and Ubuntu installed (and some other niche operating system on the other partition - Windows Vista I think it's called).

So given that I don't pledge loyalty to any particular distro, I usually come at them with a critical eye. It's love, mostly. I love Linux and want it to succeed in the areas it doesn't currently, so I'm usually straight about what does and doesn't work -- because tip-toeing the issues isn't doing the community any favours. I have great expectations for 7.04, and unfortunately they're not all met. If you're a fanboy, don't read on, because I'll shatter your fragile world.

And so it was with some excitement and trepidation I plonked Feisty Fawn, aka Ubuntu 7.04, on my system and replacing its predecessor.

I'd like to say the install was seamless, but it wasn't -- the migration tool, while a nice touch, didn't apply to me as I was doing a fresh install, but the tool would have none of it and spewed up an error saying the process couldn't continue. Thankfully, I could choose to let the poor program bomb out and not prevent the operating system from installing -- but I ask you, was this tested at all? How long would it have taken to have someone run through the various (and limited in scope) options for the tool and ensure it worked?

Unfortunately, this seems to be an endemic problem with Ubuntu. My experience using it as a sole desktop in my 'Living in a Linux only world' series in APC Magazine series came across many small and annoying issues -- many of which appear to be a result of laziness or simply failing to test the packages bundled: for example plugging in a camera and having it recognise it just fine, but be unable to transfer the images because the programs was run with the wrong privileges (we'll see how 7.04 fares here later). Easily fixed by dropping to the command line and running it sudo -- but what of the Windows user hoping to ditch Microsoft? They'll go right back to their windows boot for something as simple as copying images.

Migration bomb out aside, the install went fine however and I booted into my tasty new 7.04 desktop. And herein lies another complaint I had with 6.10, and which 7.04 seems to continue -- I have a widescreen LCD monitor, and not only is this not detected from the monitor EDID on bootup, but the Ubuntu (or Gnome) Screen Resolution tool thinks my monitor's native res of 1920x1200 doesn't exist. So I couldn’t even manually correct it myself.

Display settings: Lots of resolutions, but not for my monitorDisplay settings: Lots of resolutions, but not for my monitor

The official Nvidia drivers fared much better, allowing me to properly set the widescreen resolution -- however its version of the xorg.conf file didn't mesh well with Ubuntu's. So, yet another problem fixed by jumping to the command line and sudo nanoing xorg.conf, old stylz, to insert resolutions into the modelines -- but again, what if some poor schmuck had installed Ubuntu to replace Windows on the recommendation of his Linux nut friend, and he can't even get it to display properly? If Ubuntu is the most user-friendly distro, and pushing hard to be an alternative to Windows, is it really ready for prime time if can't even set up the monitor correctly? This same display, under Windows, works first time with no fiddling.

Nvidia settings: The nvidia drivers fare better -- they recognises the monitor resolutionNvidia settings: The nvidia drivers fare better -- they recognises the monitor resolution

I have to come down on this hard here -- widescreen monitors are ubiquitous now, and after all these years of X development (not to mention official driver support from Nvidia and ATI, though the latter are lacklustre) why does it not 'just work' under Linux? Five years ago this could be forgiveable, today there is no logical reason why the resolution of the monitor shouldn't work out of the box -- and if not automatic, then at least to have the option in the settings dialog. We all like to show off how Vista's snazzy effects were already done by Compiz and Beryl before Vista was released -- but at least it gets the resolution right first time.

Remember, it's out love for Ubuntu that I'm being so harsh. Look where we're at -- 7.04, a number of significant releases since 4.10 Warty three years ago -- and it still can't manage the display properly. It's the small things, the polish, that make the biggest impact.

Ubuntu desktop: Fresh install of 7.04, with Nvidia driversUbuntu desktop: Fresh install of 7.04, with Nvidia drivers

So, after editing xorg.conf, I had my desktop setup properly and I was ready to rock and roll.

But do I have anything good to say about 7.04 yet? Sure -- I'm attuned to my PC like a Borg to its, er, universal subjugation fetish. That is, I'm pretty good at picking up subtle differences in performance with things like drivers, and the first thing I noticed (boot time aside) was that 7.04 was just snappier. This could be due to me installing the 64-bit version compared to the 32-bit 6.10 install, but regardless it was just more responsive, which is nice start. And if comparing to Windows – it’s significantly more responsive.

Next, I set about checking out media playback, desktop effects, plugging in a camera (*glares at 6.10*) and more. Will I shout and moan some more, or be overcome with orgasmic Ubuntu bliss? I'll let you know in page 2.

Page 2: It's not all bad


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Julzz202:

What the heak is with Ubuntu No one i know reccoumends it and secound Windows is better with the programs and other stuff. Windows Vista is not a copy of Ubuntu because it was made before mac OS X AND Ubuntu

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SomeoneElse:

OS X is WAY older than Vista, heck it was even on the market when Microsoft still had to launch XP.
Oh and... Yes OS X has had 3D features Vista now has since like 2001 or so?

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

nsmxtr:

Have you just born? OS X is around from 2001 with all it's glory and features Vista now has. Before commenting please educate yourself.

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

DontFeedTheTrolls:

You've been trolled.

The best way to respond to a troll is not to respond at all, folks.

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Julzz202:

I'm Talking about Mac OS X Leopard. MACS AND PC'S ARE THE SAME but macs are hard and pcs are easy the tv adds are lies.

Microsoft gave 100 Million Dollers to Apple Mac to keep them going and look at Mac now their lieing and putting microsoft down and Microsoft should take back their money back and Mac will be no more

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mac_Jihadi:

Whine, whine, whine!! Microsoft INVESTED $150 million in Apple shares as part of technology sharing deal i.e. M$ got access to Apple technology and vice versa. Microsoft also got IE installed as the default browser on every Mac as part of the deal. It wasn't one of Gates' philanthropic gestures to prop up a failing company - they get return on investment.



29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Fer:

dude, you must really have problems...
open your eyes, even with the problems ut has linux is way too much better than windows, and mac too.
If you don't believe me ask James Allchin

idiotic people... why are they so many?

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

har dee har har har:

why so many?.... because they mate...

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mar:

Ubuntu 4.10 correctly recognized my widescreen laptop. 6.06, 6.10 and 7.04 didn't. I don't now why.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

OSwhore:

Ubuntu & Kubuntu correctly identified my laptop's native screen resolution (1280x800), with the installed default driver. This happened for vers 6.04, 6.10 & 7.04 of both OS.

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mal:

7.04 didn't detect my monitor ( iiyama ) correctly and didn't even pick the right driver for my video card so Beryl didn't work. All in all, pretty bad for a 'user friendly' distro. Happily a little play with my xorg.conf and everything now works beautifully, but exactly a great introduction for a beginner is it.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jeff Hodgson:

With the emphasis on desktop replacement Linux, one distro that doesn't even get a look in here is PCLinuxOS. I tried Ubuntu and didn't really like it.. it's too hit and miss, but PCLOS has been brilliant. Detected and installed drivers for everything, including my wireless, only needing the WEP Key to connect! Easy as pie to use, rock solid stable, easy package handling through Synaptic, will update itself to the latest version through Synaptic without having to reinstall, plays mp3s out of the 'box' easier install than even Ubuntu and forums where you won't be flamed for asking silly questions! And it's prettier than Ubuntu too (best implementation of KDE i've seen in any distro). I haven't booted into Windows for months now. Come on APC, give it a look!

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

xlinuks:

PCLinuxOS is great. It's also faster and more stylish than (K)Ubuntu, but it has serious bugs. I tried it a month ago and it wouldn't install on any of my 2 PCs, while KUbuntu 7.04 had no problems.
I totally agree with the author of this article. Ubuntu is great, but still has problems with codecs and other things. Say, when sending large files to a usb flash drive it looks like the system is buffering the data while sending it in smaller chunks making the USB flash drive irresponsible during this. It also takes a lot of time (minutes) to delete large files while on windows same large files take 2 or 4 seconds to delete.
In other words - (K)Ubuntu needs more testing.

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ChrisBM:

When you took PCLinuxOS for a spin months ago, did you use the stable .93a release, or are you basing this statement on a Beta Release? PCLinuxOS 2007 (Newest Version) will go final in a week or too. If you used the Test Release version months ago, how can you not expect it to have bugs? I've tried the 'buntu's during their test phases and my god! They were almost totally unusable! Don't judge a distro based on a Beta release, that's completely unfair. On that note Feisty Fawn is still as UN-user friendly today as it was 3 years ago. Unless the developers realize that new users NEED graphical tools to administer there systems, Ubuntu will ALWAYS be an advanced Linux User desktop ONLY! Ubuntu isn't a bad distro, but it has NO place for brand new linux users coming from Windows. Their expectations are MUCH higher that unbuntu can reach. As far as PCLinuxOS I would ask that it be tested AFTER it is released, and not based based on experiences with a Beta release!

My 2 cents,
Chris

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ssam:

Xorg which is the graphics sever in a linux based system is currently developing very fast. Currently it is gaining the ability to autoconfigure as well as being able to hot plug new monitors.

Once these issues are solved in Xorg they will be available to all the different linux distributions. If the ubuntu devs try to fix it their own way, then it only helps ubuntu, and will be obsolete soon.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AnonymousCwrd:

You know what I think? To find out, go to Page 2.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

G OS:


Like some others, I have found that Ubuntu (Dapper or Feisty) does install well, and runs just like a Drop-In-Replacement for Windows.
I have a typical notebook, widescreen (yes, it needed 915resolution patch - but that was not the end of the world, and not difficult for this linux newbie !!), Laser MFP, digital camera, mp3 player >> all work fine.

Most competent reviews try the OS on several machines before considering the verdict - a point worth taking! And oh yes, since when has Windows been flawless. I had terrible trouble with the XP SP2 upgrade, and had to install extra patches for some hardware.

Ps. last comment got deleted; mentioned how the reviewer stated in the Mag article that he thought Ubuntu didn't have a wastebasket !!

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ashton Mills:

Your comment hasn't been deleted, it's on page 2 where you made it -- this is page 1.

And see the reply to it -- the issue is how Ubuntu handles free space.



29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bil-E-daKid:

We have a two year old notebook at work with a 3Ghz Pentium M, widescreen and onboard Intel graphics. trying to install both Vista and XP on this baby gives you an almost unreadable screen as , when you move the mouse to the side of the screen, the whole thing goes blue. Ubuntu, OTOH, just sets it to 1024x768.

Neither is ideal but at least the Ubuntu way you can use the thing without the screen disappearing. Oh, and Ubuntu detected the nic and the sound and all the other hardware (except the modem). Both XP and Vista had to have drivers downloaded on another PC and moved over via CD (not even the USB ports were working after a fresh install). But, no, Microsoft does hardware support SOOOO much better! ;-)

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Max-pt.net:

You are a funboy of gentoo

You make this seames to be very badly. But isn't. None of your other distro made all bad this you sad about ubuntu.

So Ubuntu 7.04 it's much better that all distro.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

suribe:

The wrong thing is that doesnt recognize the proper screen resolution. Thats all this note say.
The other side of the coin is that after install Ubuntu you have a full desktop system working. No need to install MSOffice, or RSS reader, bit torrent client, etc etc etc.
No need to say about virus, adware, spyware and all the pop ups windows telling you about activation, firewalls and everything else that a regular windows user get used to see..


29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Elbing:

Completely right. Most of my customers, or normal users, don't know anything about how to change screen resolution in windows. Well, they will find very difficult look for the f**ing wizard in Vista (oh my god, where are my pants?) often in XP and, of course, in every linux.
If all your (in general, not about article author) problems are your webcam or your screen resolution you don't need a computer: you need a brain and a Play Station. Try to find avermedia drivers for Vista or configuring an old webcam made before 2001 in XP. I'm working everyday between normal and stupids users that his life is full of spyware... well, as Tanenbaum said time ago: "it's a pity, but machines are not TV's, you can't buy one, plug in your home and look at it how works. They are computers, sorry".

Excuse my english.

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ArtemisKitty:

That's just it, the average user DOESN'T look for drivers for their old webcam. Heck, 99% of them are unaware you can get anything other than the software that came with it on CD, I can't count the times I've downloaded drivers for people who kept insisting, over and over and over, that I just HAD to use the CD, that the other ones wouldn't work, that here, take this CD, it came with it, use these, etc etc. Most users only bought the cheapest 20 dollar cam to begin with, so when they lose the disc a few years later, they just go out to Best Buy or CompUSA or wherever, drop another 20 bucks, and get a new one. Besides, it's a newer camera, doesn't that mean it's better? *wink*

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

...:

If you didn't have the Nvidia driver installed after you installed Windows, it would be the same issue. Windows is no better in any of these aspects--in fact, more things work 'out-of-the-box' in Linux than any Windows OS. And we're not talking restoration disks from a vendor. I mean regular vanilla install disks. Windows has support for everything because vendors create their own drivers.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

alucard835:

That's the beauty of Linux is when something doesn't work right, you contribute yourself to help out the community.

Instead of just sitting here and complaining about the little things that you can or can't do, become a part of the community and help people iron out those kinks.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Greg Pavelka:

Ok I have run Windows xp pro Vista also in 64 bit versions . Drivers for Vista are terrible to get if you don't know what you are doing Xp is a virus trojan magnet , it keeps me busy at work .
I have tried Mandrake 10.1 it didn't like me but loved my laptop Citrix is way over my head . Ubuntu I treied earlier versions but came back to try it again .
I did't have the install problems and yes it had to get the Nvidia drivers but it was painless and out of the box it saw my usb ports modem and everything else .So it stays they only gripe i have and I am sure it is operator error is creating folders and alwqays getting message that I don't have rights a small price to pay for no virus problems etc .
We have now converted all 3 machines here from windows to Ubuntu and love it myself to my wife to the kids and I don't have to support the machines here .
So will I install the new release heck yes .

Signed ,
A very Happy Ubuntu Family ( found a linux distro that i can run )
Greg


29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Surathani:

Installed ubuntu on my second machine last week due to boredom. Next day I was so impressed it intstalled it on my t43, with envy atix300 was up in no time.Im a gamer and just installed cedega and moved my wow folder over... works perfectly. I am currently downloading the 64bit version for my main machine, once that is installed ubuntu 7.04 has moved on 2 xp pro machines and 2003 server. I am just blown over by this distro, the only issues so far has been off brand raid card. Im a mac tech by trade and truly love OSX but for my pc's they have just become closer to home.

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ml2mst:

Very well said. People just seem to forget that GNU/Linux was basically coded by coders for coders and not for average Joe sixpack ;-)

The great contributions of the GNU/Linux companies and community made GNU/Linux desktop ready. For most advanced users it's a piece of cake getting their desktops up an running. For average Joe, it could be somewhat tricky. However the real average user, is probably not even able to maintain any other OS as well.

In stead of yelling "this and that doesn't work" the best thing to do, to solve these problems is simply figuring it out by yourself. That's not very hard because there are tons of documentation.

I've been quite a competent users for over 25 years, simply because I've had to educate my self. Didn't understood anything about computers about 3 decades ago. But GNU/Linux took my competence to the limits, just by figuring out how stuff works.

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

YankDownUnder:

Being that I live in the GNU/Linux community, for the past several months I've just been inundated with "Ubuntu!" - and for the life of me, it drives me nuts. How so true that some hardcore fanatics can get on a particular bandwagon and really drive it down the throats of the rest of the world until it's nearly sickening. Me? I'll stick to my Mandriva (of which I support) and my happy workstation Fedora Core 6 - oh, btw, speaking of sickening, watch out for the upcoming Fedora Core 7 graphics - if you thought Mandriva 2006 was bad...this is worse! Have a great day!

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ricky:

I'll just say that you are not the only one with problems when using a widescreen:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xresprobe/+bug/40422
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xresprobe/+bug/63551
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/68157
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/73004
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xresprobe/+bug/89930
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/97044
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/99119

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

drewbee:

Ubuntu 5.0.4 I think I tried was quite good. But from all this furore, it sounds like a load of crap.

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Vinokurov:

Yes, Linux is not XP, Vista or OS X. My concern is that mainstream linux distributions shouldn't be too-much-user-friedly. Linux is a great OS for power users, for scientists, etc. I wouldn't appreciate it if linux becomes as point-and-click oriented as Windows or OS X. If you are looking for OS for a complete newbie (e.g. your grandmother), then you can use linux with special simplified user interface (I saw some educational distros designed for schools). I am only 1 month with linux (though before it I was dealing with FreeBSD servers) and I'm not afraid of using Konsole. Instead I enjoy it. And it is one of the aspects that I missed when was working in XP.

I mean that user-friendliness is good and I wish I could easily plug second display and have it working, but there's no need to have as easy interface that any grandmother would be capable.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Cay Horstmann:

I run Ubuntu Feisty on a laptop, and it works very well, EXCEPT for the monitor support. I use a widescreen monitor at home, the laptop screen on the train, and a projector at work. I had to fuss with xorg.conf and have to reboot (!) to change monitors. (This is with Intel graphics; ATI is much better.) What I HATE most is that I have to translate simple concepts into xorg.conf's bizarre language. I want to say "Use the wide screen resolution, and use panning on the laptop". "Use the projector resolution and scale the laptop to match." Windows and Mac OS X let me give these instructions, and Ubuntu should too.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ken Hughes:

I need to know where you go in Windows to fix problems you suggest for Ubuntu? If you have resolution problems in Windows you are out of luck!
I noticed that you had an avenue of changing the resolution and permissions in Ubuntu. There is not any hope that vista will every achieve the present conditions in Linux. In Linux, we are only controlled by our ability to dream and achieve. If you have fallen short, then blame the right person, yourself!

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

DaffyDuck:

All I can say is good luck with getting a default windows XP install to recognise a widescreen monitor without using the nvidia/ATI driver...

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

rodney watson:

I am quite impressed with 7.04 , so much in fact that I have changed from Novell Suse 10 to Ubuntu ,But , I am
still unimpressed with printer support , getting my Canon Pixma to work was to silly to mention , it is quicker to duck down to the pc store and grab a HP @ $65.00.
Until all peripherals are more or less Plug'n'Play Linux will not threaten Microsoft Windows.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

A linux newbie I am:

I installed ubuntu on my "designed for windows 2000" 7 year old spare pc and wish I had a newer pc to put it on.
even as a linux newbie I realize it is not perfect either, but as I am learning and gaining experience on it, all the hard work in the end is almost fun, except I can usually only do this in graphical interface, not sudo add file gobblygook no idea i'm lost etc.

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