Why BluRay STILL isn't ready for prime-time

David Hague23 April 2009, 5:09 PM

If you bought a new car, you wouldn’t expect to have to take it back the next day as all the fixes needed by factory recalls hadn’t been done would you?


I thought not.

So why do manufacturers of tech goods allow this to happen time and time again

Yesterday, I bought my very first Blu-ray title to play in my Sony new PS3. I raced home with it, fired up the 5.1 system, plonked the disc in the tray and ... nothing. Well if you count a message saying “this unit cannot play BD. You must upgrade the system” as nothing.

What? Thankfully being in tech as a journo, and having access to other hacks in the same game and more familiar with console units than I, I had the answer pretty quickly. I had to go to a website, download the latest version of the PS3 system, copy that to a USB thumbdrive in a folder called exactly “UPDATE” (note the capitals) that was inside another folder called “PS3”, reboot the PS3, connect the thumbdrive, go to the System Menu and select Update System from External Media.

Then wait. Well that’s alright then.

But please tell me why I have to do this. And if I didn’t have access to the Internet to both get the advice and download the 148MB file, what then? It’s like the 1980’s version of opening the biggest, shiniest toy on Christmas Day only to find Batteries Are Not Supplied.

What would Sony care if that download used up the remains of my ‘net quota and then I got shaped and had to effectively pay for the upgrade for something I had just bought. At least with a car recall, the company calls you and then fixes it at their cost. And don't give me any of that claptrap of a PS3 being only a fraction of the cost of a Holden Commodore. Cost is not the issue, responsibility is from the vendor viewpoint.

I remember this happening with the commercial version of Warcraft too. I paid my $49.95 to get the full disk and supporting documents and then spent the next two days downloading update after update. To the point that I simply gave up and cut my losses. Time – our time – means nothing to the vendors it seems.

One of the worst in this area is Adobe. As anyone who knows after removing an Adobe CSx and installing CSx+1, the time to do this is measured in calendars. And then you have to usually download a whole bunch of patches and fixes. Mine still doesn’t work. Nor does Dragon Dictate 10 that has the same problem.

While a percentage of these failures can be attributed to store level staff, and this can be fixed with training (the staff member at my video store didn’t know a “normal” DVD still worked in a Blu-ray player and I have lost count of the number of salespeople who have advised buying a DVD based camcorder because it is “higher resolution”), the biggest slab should be at the feet of the vendors/publishers. It seems the convenience of the Internet has made it easier for them to simply fix problems “later”. In our time.


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Fryorz (New user):

What a stupid article, for starters you are not forced to update your PS3 at all that is just plain and simple lies. If you chose not to download the update it just means some features that requires profile 2.0 wouldn't be active. So you are not forced to download the update at all if you just simply want to watch a movie without some of the special features.

Secondly this is the PS3, A game console which is a secondary blu ray player and one that was released when profile 2.0 wasn't availiable. The fact that the PS3 is a Blu Ray player that you can upgrade is great. it means the PS3 will always be up to date with the latest Blu Ray profile and wont become obselete.

Third of all if you wanted a Blu Ray player and not a games console you should of bought a Blu Ray player. To complain that a games console needs a small update to play profile 2.0 feature is like complaining you bicycle isn't a car.

So to write off Blu Ray based on the playback of of a games console is rediculous. This article just seems like needless Blu Ray bashing and i think any true tech head will see it for what it is.

23 April 2009, 5:48 PM (11 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

gankul (Cornerstone member):

Any true tech head will see that he is correct, the fact that the PS3 is advertised as the best blu ray player, but he needed to update the firmware, is a bit stupid really.

24 April 2009, 8:31 AM (11 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Halcon (Advanced member):

Either, PS3 and Blu-ray players need a piece of software called "firmware" update by using a CD, Flash drive or through the Internet via Ethernet cable or wireless connection.
The only problem with the Sony playstation 3 and BDSP350 Blu-ray player, is the limitation to region B, I wish there could be a way to watch movies without this nonsense of restriction.
This is almost same as the DVD movies, I am sick of these Hollywood manufacturers from hell.

23 April 2009, 6:09 PM (11 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hicks (User):

This is a strange one, we sell quite a lot of PS3's and I am yet to have someone come into store and complain that the Blue ray doesn't work, but I think it's not on that you as a end user have to do this. As you stated if you did not have internet access or people you can pump for information most would not know what's going on. With Software like games you really can not put it in the same context due to games continually evolving, as with WoW it has had 2 expansions and a lot of updates, which are easy to find or they can auto download as with most games now.

But onto the original topic, I have to agree that purchasing a unit and having something not work is the fault of the manufacture, ie Sony for shipping a product that doesn't work without an update, it's like shipping a digital camera without the lens unit.

23 April 2009, 6:21 PM (11 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Kaden101 (New user):

If your car was recalled, you'd have to pay the petrol to take it to the garage, & then back home again. Do you think they'd reimburse you? Well, if you're going to use a games console as an argument against Blu-Ray, you at least need to look at the flip side of your example.

23 April 2009, 8:03 PM (11 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Nato (User):

To a point this has to happen, programing is all trial and error, an update disc in the mail until the warranty run out, or the option of both, so if u want to pay to update u can, but no manufacturer should have the right to make you pay twice by hand balling the bill to the internet service providers to then pass to you.

24 April 2009, 11:22 AM (11 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Michael Guy (New user):

the last PS3 firmware update (2.70) is 147mb. locally cached at
http://www.3fl.net.au/downloads/index.php?dlid=2266 for 3FL, westnet and iinet. it's also cached with internode at http://games.on.net/file/25495/PlayStation_3_2.70_Firmware and with ausgamers at http://www.ausgamers.com/files/details/html/39583

and possibly gamearena/bigpond games. though i couldn't find it there.

however, if your ISP does not cache files you occasionally need to download that would benefit others, ask them.

while 147mb downloads are not even a realistic proposition on dialup or net-cafe use, it is something that will fit on a 1gb USB, or 700mb CDROM and perhaps sony australia should spend the time or money on bundling a simple cd-rom with their PS3's to enable the latest BD-Live features and allow newer forms of the copy protection on BD-Roms to load on the PS3.

They really don't need to make more than 5,000 or 10,000 and send them to retailers every quarter with the requisite sony fanfare and instructions/screenshots.

However, any firmware above 2.53, i.e. made in the last 6 months has the required java updates to run BD-live content from your sony, disney or buena vista BD's.

The reality behind this article is, some discs can't be played on the factory-standard PS3, because the PS3 has support for BD-Live, i.e. the interactive menus and internet content that use Java.

If you want to use the car metaphor, BD-Live is the equivalent of a plug-in electric car being released that's currently tethered to your home, and one day they decide to change the standard plug on all the charging stations in petrol stations and parking lots. so, now you have to get your modern electric car upgraded to use the new charging stations.

However, Blu-ray is here, electric cars, sadly, are not.
horrible, disastrous. etc.

As most BD players do not support BD-Liv, they don't need updates like this. http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/bluray/bdlive.html

25 April 2009, 6:47 PM (11 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Michael Guy (New user):

the last PS3 firmware update (2.70) is 147mb. locally cached at
http://www.3fl.net.au/downloads/index.php?dlid=2266 for 3FL, westnet and iinet. it's also cached with internode at http://games.on.net/file/25495/PlayStation_3_2.70_Firmware and with ausgamers at http://www.ausgamers.com/files/details/html/39583

and possibly gamearena/bigpond games. though i couldn't find it there.

however, if your ISP does not cache files you occasionally need to download that would benefit others, ask them.

while 147mb downloads are not even a realistic proposition on dialup or net-cafe use, it is something that will fit on a 1gb USB, or 700mb CDROM and perhaps sony australia should spend the time or money on bundling a simple cd-rom with their PS3's to enable the latest BD-Live features and allow newer forms of the copy protection on BD-Roms to load on the PS3.

They really don't need to make more than 5,000 or 10,000 and send them to retailers every quarter with the requisite sony fanfare and instructions/screenshots.

However, any firmware above 2.53, i.e. made in the last 6 months has the required java updates to run BD-live content from your sony, disney or buena vista BD's.

The reality behind this article is, some discs can't be played on the factory-standard PS3, because the PS3 has support for BD-Live, i.e. the interactive menus and internet content that use Java.

If you want to use the car metaphor, BD-Live is the equivalent of a plug-in electric car being released that's currently tethered to your home, and one day they decide to change the standard plug on all the charging stations in petrol stations and parking lots. so, now you have to get your modern electric car upgraded to use the new charging stations.

However, Blu-ray is here, electric cars, sadly, are not.
horrible, disastrous. etc.

As most BD players do not support BD-Liv, they don't need updates like this. http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/bluray/bdlive.html

25 April 2009, 7:00 PM (11 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

BN (User):

LOL your a tech journo and you aren't aware that firmware updates are required for a lot of hardware ? Even the iPhone has firmware updates.

Secondly 147meg big deal.....takes like 2mins-5 mins to download directly via the ps3.

I click update and boom its updating.....its not rocket science!


26 April 2009, 6:19 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Potoroo (User):

Quoting BN:
147meg big deal.....takes like 2mins-5 mins to download directly via the ps3.


For about 40% of Australians a 147MB download takes a bit over 7 hours.

27 April 2009, 6:03 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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