Why I switched to Telstra

Dan Warne
03 November 2008, 10:44 AM


OPINION | I think Optus' 3G network is just screwed, to be honest.


I've switched to Telstra. I know… crazy, huh? I'd be the last person most people would expect to switch to the telco we love to hate. But here's why I did.

Like most people, I have a very healthy skepticism for Telstra — I wouldn't recommend anyone sign up to a Telstra landline if they could get another provider's Naked DSL with VoIP. I wouldn't recommend Telstra BigPond ADSL2+, which is twice as expensive as the competitors for no obvious reason other than funding big marketing budgets.

But the fact is, for my mobile and wireless broadband, I got sick of Optus' rubbish mobile network. So I've switched to Telstra Next G.

As you may know, I did testing of wireless broadband networks for APC recently which showed Optus has nearly 1000ms latency on its 3G network for data too. That makes a vast difference to the responsiveness of web browsing. Since changing to Next G (which has 165ms latency — six times faster) my Blackberry Bold feels like it renders webpages at least twice as fast. Not surprising, considering every request the browser sends out over Optus has a one second airtime lag — and most web pages require hundreds of requests to complete loading.

Pricing on Next G is certainly higher than Optus. I was on the Optus $79 Blackberry cap which gave me unlimited Blackberry data and $300 worth of calls. On Telstra, I'm on the $49 cap plan + $39 Blackberry bolt-on which gives me $200 worth of calls and unlimited Blackberry "email". Telstra insisted I would only get free email, but looking at their data meter, all the data I'm using on the Blackberry is being rated as free — I think that just like Optus, anything that goes through the RIM Blackberry Internet Service (BIS) and the Telstra Blackberry Access Point Name (APN) is free.

So, now I have an $88 plan with Telstra effectively — and I get Next G's outstanding coverage and low latency network.

I hate Optus' customer service. You may too.

The other benefit of Telstra is that you get a real person almost immediately when you call them rather than having to struggle through the IVR from hell. Calls to Telstra Mobile are also free of charge when called from a Telstra mobile service — unlike Optus which charges you regular rates to call their customer service (nice money spinner, that, when the network has so many problems).

I was fed up with the difficulty in even reaching Optus customer service. Like so many Optus customers, I got bounced from department to department like a ping-pong ball whenever I called them — that is, if I could get through their malfunctioning voice-recognition menu system. And even if I did, Optus' customer service ethic seems to be from the era of "nine to five and not a minute more". Didn't they get the memo about people working longer hours these days?

Optus has created a gordian knot of customer service departments. I remember the days when you could call Optus 24 hours a day on a single number and ask the (Australian-based) operator a landline or mobile question — and they'd be able to sort it. Now, the customer service staff seem disenfranchised and just want to bounce you on to another person.

The only thing I've liked about Optus Mobile recently is that Surepage (operator-answered paging via SMS at $0.85 per message sent) is included in the $300 call value in the Blackberry plan. However, since that is not an advertised feature of the plan I'd say that is a billing mistake on Optus' part anyway. With Telstra I have to pay for each "Memo" (their name for Surepage) on top of my monthly plan fee.

It works.

With Telstra, I have a service I can actually use. With Optus, I couldn't even get decent voice quality in APC's office building on level 23 of 66 Goulburn St, Sydney. Optus customer service said we were just too high, and when I asked if the operator could take a network blackspot report given we could get perfect Telstra coverage, she irritatedly suggested maybe we should all just switch to Telstra.

That was on 2G. On the Optus 3G network, a lot of the time (even at ground level) when people called me, I'd hear them for just a few tantalising seconds, then the call would go completely silent. I thought perhaps this was a fault in the phone I was using, but being a tech reviewer, I have the luxury of being able to switch out to a different network's SIM card, or alternatively use different handsets to test. I only ever had the 'silent call after a few seconds' problem on Optus, and since I switched to Telstra I haven't had one.

I think Optus' 3G network is just screwed, to be honest.

Even though Telstra offers less value in their $49 cap ($200 vs $300), I receive a lot of calls on my mobile, and don't make so many, so $200 call credit is enough for me. And if necessary, I'll trade up to the $79 Telstra cap which provides $450 worth of calls. After having dealt with crappy mobile service from Optus for a couple of years now (the 2G network was OK for most of the 14 years I've been a customer with them) I don't actually mind paying more for a quality product.

Telstra's superior billing system

Telstra has an online billing system that allows you to log in and view your unbilled calls and data usage each month. Optus has one too. The difference is Telstra's almost almost always works, whereas Optus' almost never does.

The problem, as I understand it, is that Optus has two separate billing systems that do the same thing. If you are a long standing customer like I was — of 14 years — you will be stuck on the archaic billing system that customer service reps don't seem to be able to access half the time when you phone them up. If you are a newer customer (as my wife is) you might be lucky and have had your account migrated to the new billing system.

If you're on the new system, you can get access to the online usage meter. But about 85% of the time, I'd estimate, the online usage meter is offline. "This service is unavailable" it says, unhelpfully. I've received tens of reader letters about this problem.

Above, Optus' rarely-working online usage meter for mobile customers.

Above: Telstra's almost-always-working usage meter for mobile customers.

I've had it.

All these difficulties dealing with Optus made me decide I'd had enough and it was time to go to another provider. I'd have considered Three except for the fact that they don't offer Blackberry services unless you buy a phone from them (you can't bring your existing handset with you), and Vodafone was out of the question because it shares Optus' 3G network and has pretty poor coverage anyway.

My decision was also encouraged by Optus' shady marketing tactics lately. In the past, Optus has been, in my view, the most ethical of all the telcos. It seemed to make rational pricing decisions and not take advantage of less knowledgeable customers. Here, I'm referring to the Optus broadband services, which didn't have excess usage fees, for example. Now, Optus has added excess usage fees to its plans, and is doing other really dodgy things like billing in 10MB increments for prepaid wireless broadband services. So, log in, check one email and bingo, you've used up 10MB. It's unethical.

As much as I have (and continue to be) a vocal and longstanding critic of Telstra for many of its monopolistic and bullying business practices, I'm very happy with my move to Telstra Mobile. Rationally, it ticks all the boxes for me. I now have coverage just about everywhere I am (on either Next G, Telstra 2G or the 3/Telstra joint venture network), good customer service that I can access quickly and free of charge, and unlike most Telstra services which are usually multiples of the cost of the competition, the pricing is only incrementally more than staying with Optus.

Yes, there are things that are still totally stupid about Telstra Mobile. For example, it doesn't offer the iPhone at a reduced upfront price on any capped plans — only on regular plans where you pay for all the calls you make at real dollar value. Heeeelllooo $1,000 phone bills. Clearly, Telstra has a business strategy of begrudgingly providing cheap or $0 handsets like other networks, but isn't also going to give away its network services like other networks do at a reduced rate.

However, as long as you're the kind of person (like I am) who would prefer to buy phones outright and isn't particularly interested in locking in to a long term contract in order to get a subsidised handset, then you can still get a capped plan with Telstra.

My point in this rather lengthy rant is that sometimes, all things taken into account, quality is worth paying for. And sometimes, the only way you can send a message to a company that's not delivering a quality product for the price you pay is to vote with your wallet, and take your monthly fee elsewhere.

If Optus overhauls its mobile network and customer service, maybe I'll be back. But it'll take a lot of convincing.


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Rankin (New user):

Welcome to the world of reliability and quality, even if we do pay just a little bit to much.

03 November 2008, 11:19 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (User):

Totally agree Dan !
When you need it FOR work ........... You need it TO work !
Even if it is nearly double the price (grumble grumble)

03 November 2008, 11:38 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Carmar (New user):

I too was very pleasantly surprised by Telstra's customer service for our cable broadband and husband's next G mobile. Considering the years of appalling service by Telstra I sometimes think it might all be a pleasant dream - one day I'll wake up and find it wasn't real!

03 November 2008, 11:39 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

thebek (New user):

Dan, you've encapsulated just about everything that's wrong with the Optus network. A great article! I too have been sucked in by Optus's marketing. An iPhone on a "Timeless" plan. It's great... unless you want reliable 3G phone service. It's easy to offer an all-you-can-eat plan when the network's so poor more than half the calls you make or receive fail the fist, second and third attempts. Then if you're lucky enough to establish a call that's not a garbled mess, you just know it'll drop out within a few minutes. And 80% of the time it does! And not due to lack of a signal. I've taken to carrying a Telstra NextG phone with me for when I have to make or receive important calls. What does that say??!! Sadly I'm stuck in an Optus contract for the next 22 months.

I just wish Telstra didn't charge the outrageous rate of 50 cents per international text message that's not included in any cap plans. Oh but wait, Optus is now charging the same. Why can Vodafone absorb any extra costs involved by still charging the standard 25 cents/message and include them in their caps?

03 November 2008, 11:49 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Liam G (New user):

Dan, I think you've done what everyone on Optus wants to do. I make a call, it doesn't connect. I receive a call, answer it, and for some reason the network doesn't let it connect. It's just ridiculous. Especially when you consider that for every time someone calls me and my phone thinks I "miss it" because it doesn't connect, I then have to call them back. There's more money for Optus.

And everytime the call drops, I have to re-connect and pay another flagfall.

I can't understand why it's so pathetic. I used to be on 3 and was sick of their incompetent billing and technical support. Their network was average at best, but at least it didn't cut out calls, it just wouldn't let me make them. Being on Optus doesn't let me do either.

I'm starting to get sick of it, too.

03 November 2008, 12:01 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

DW: I think Optus' 3G network is just screwed, to be honest.

No but it is very much over-subscribed. Something that was hit hard by Optus offering the best deals for the recent IPhone frenzy.

And it appears that the level of angst this causes is very much handset dependant. I've observed that the Nokia N-series for example are much less able to cope with this than other Nokia. My handset has had few problems while other optus phones we have have been abysmal particularly at peak times in and near the CBD.

DW: As much as I have (and continue to be) a vocal and longstanding critic of Telstra for many of its monopolistic and bullying business practices

And that in a nutshell is reason enough to avoid Sol and his profit gouging like the plague. I have heard a few wispers to the effect that the current Optus 3G congestion woes will be resolved within months.

03 November 2008, 12:16 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mac (New user):

Side Comment about Virgin:
Am currently on Virgin (Optus3G) home phone / internet.
During trial period the little Option Wireless Modem was pulling a 5 bar signal strength with simultaneous internet / phone calls no problem on HSDPA. However when the old Telstra Line No. was "ported" across to the 3G service it dropped back to 2 bar signal & stayed there?
With only phone on Hold available (GPRS) or UTMS/HSDPA internet only one at a time. With only 300 metres 'line of site' to 2 cell towers, I think somebody's 'pulling our leg' at SingTel (The Chinese love a one way cash flow, OUT of AUSTRALIA) Had any similar comments ? ?
Regards,
Mac

03 November 2008, 1:36 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jaysee (New user):

Hi Dan,

I've been contemplating the switch to 2.5G Telstra with a Rev A iPhone (I like the design more, so sue me!), but I've never been able to find a plan that isn't a contract. You say in your article:

"However, as long as you're the kind of person (like I am) who would prefer to buy phones outright and isn't particularly interested in locking in to a long term contract in order to get a subsidised handset, then you can still get a capped plan with Telstra. For example, if you buy an iPhone outright and get it unlocked, you can bring your iPhone over to Telstra on a capped plan with a data pack."

How did you do this? Every time I've ever called Telstra I get the "bounced around, contradictory info" from their sales department.

I'm all for giving Telstra a go, but there's sure as heck no way I'm signing a 2 year contract with the devil!!

Thanks,
John

03 November 2008, 2:19 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne (Regular user):

Yeah, actually Telstra does make you sign on to a 24 month contract in order to get a capped plan unfortunately. There is a loophole -- if you sign on to a casual $10 per month plan (no contract), the salesperson in the store can then upgrade your account to a capped plan without a contract. They've apparently been told not to do it, but they capability is still there in the system.

I'm not sure why Telstra doesn't provide the capped plans without contract. I'm sure the thinking is that if they're going to give away so much value, then they sure as hell want your business for two years.

But what they don't realise is how many people (like you) are never going to come to Telstra except on a capped plan, and that many people also aren't willing to sign a contract when they already own their handset.

In short: Telstra's losing a lot of potential business this way -- given there's every chance you'd stay with them for two years anyway.

04 November 2008, 11:33 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Danny Gorog (APC staff):

There's also an option for a 12 month contract too.

04 November 2008, 11:42 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jaysee (New user):

Quoting Dan Warne:
There is a loophole -- if you sign on to a casual $10 per month plan (no contract), the salesperson in the store can then upgrade your account to a capped plan without a contract. They've apparently been told not to do it, but they capability is still there in the system.


What's your experience with doing this? Worth a trip to T-Life? Or a smaller Telstra shop?

John

05 November 2008, 12:25 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

The Big Baboo (New user):

Prepaid my friend Prepaid It mightily p....s off Telstra when you use it but I reckon it's the only way to fly and that's what I do :)

27 December 2008, 8:38 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Gavin WA (New user):

Dan,

Have you asked Optus for an official comment on your article? It would be interesting to see what they think.

03 November 2008, 3:09 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne (Regular user):

Ah, no... you have to ask companies specific questions, otherwise it's permission for them to give waffly answers like "we are committed to continual improvement". (In fact, Optus fed me that very line in relation to another enquiry about 3G network problems a while back.)

03 November 2008, 9:56 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

todd_h86 (New user):

I've been with Optus for the past 6 years with my mobile service and mobile internet the last year or so and to me they seem to be fine, sure I dont get the wide spread service of NextG (YET) but I still have money for fuel at the end of the week of traveling around fixing networks etc. I dont use wireless as my main point of internet access thats that stupid, anyone with half a brain should know that (APC STAFF) and as i'm outside of the ADSL area I use good ol dial up at home and ADSL at work and wireless when im out and about, never had much of a problem except for getting my accounts bundled, and somehow getting charged three time for services i didnt use (all reversed with a bonus). I agree that the Optus wireless network is being streched a little thin but that should be resolved when their new network is completed (apparentley its just around the corner.... am month or two I am assured)

If Optus is so bad why are so many people with them? If its because they got 'sucked in' then they should take it to the ACCC but I dare say they will find out they should have read their contract. Stupid people doing stupid things.

03 November 2008, 3:37 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

giovanniv (New user):



Quoting todd_h86:
Stupid people doing stupid things.


What are you talking about?
Ive been an Optus customer for over 10 years (landline, adsl2 & two mobiles) and only when I sign up for an iPhone that I had to threaten to pull all my services if my 3g contract wasn't shredded and the iPhone returned. Everything Dan listed as Optus complaints I experienced.
Someone told me they'd rather pay a small fine from the ombudsman (of the people able to not have a breakdown before reaching the umpire) than to fix a broken network
Their killing the goose that lays the golden egg
cya Optus!!!

03 November 2008, 9:00 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Akira Doe (New user):

Isn't Telstra Customer Service about to turn into a Robot when they ship their support to the Philippines?

I'm a tad bitter towards them for that because it will put a few of my friends out of a Job, and the call centre they work for is closing its local office here then too... Having said that I don't like Optus support lines either.

It sucks that the only real alternative to Telstra has had to go down like this, but I’m going to stick around until '09. If they've not fixed the problems I might look at doing the same thing... or lose a few services because I don't know if I can afford the prices Bigpond/Telstra charge.

03 November 2008, 3:44 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne (Regular user):

Yeah, though Telstra Mobile still appears to be Australia-based.

I discovered the other day that not only does Optus have call centres in India, it has recently started sacking people (well, its outsourced call centre contractors have anyway) and farming their jobs out to the Philippines.

So, there aren't too many options out there now for companies that provide Australia-based service -- but Telstra Mobile is one for now.

04 November 2008, 11:39 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jaysee (New user):

Hi Dan,

I've been contemplating the switch to 2.5G Telstra with a Rev A iPhone (I like the design more, so sue me!), but I've never been able to find a plan that isn't a contract. You say in your article:

"However, as long as you're the kind of person (like I am) who would prefer to buy phones outright and isn't particularly interested in locking in to a long term contract in order to get a subsidised handset, then you can still get a capped plan with Telstra. For example, if you buy an iPhone outright and get it unlocked, you can bring your iPhone over to Telstra on a capped plan with a data pack."

How did you do this? Every time I've ever called Telstra I get the "bounced around, contradictory info" from their sales department.

I'm all for giving Telstra a go, but there's sure as heck no way I'm signing a 2 year contract with the devil!!

Thanks,
John

03 November 2008, 3:48 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Terry (New user):

I don't think there's any arguing that Telstra have a far superior 3G network then any other carrier, I've just got a feeling after reading that article the only thing missing was a "sponsored by Telstra" line at the end. To me it basically read more as propaganda the anything. In all seriousness though I hope that the failings of the Optus network are taken on board and their fixed, not bandaided, but fixed.

And for reference the 10MB increments (no matter how poor an idea that was) give you the first 30MB of the day free, so presuming all you're doing is logging in to check a few emails your usage will be more or less nothing at the end of the month.

03 November 2008, 6:42 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

McBanjo (New user):

Maybe you should've gone Virgin. It's on the Optus network, so it's still got the coverage and network issues (although I've never experienced any.) But the support is satisfactory and your paying less than Optus, which equals better value for money. Or same crap for a cheaper price.

03 November 2008, 7:24 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CCCMikey (New user):

I'm using Exetel, an Optus HSPA reseller, out in Armidale. The latency here is 150-180ms. I guess it depends on where you live as to how bad the service is. (Here it's 3Mb/s capable, often achieves it on speed tests, and is reasonably useable for VoIP.

03 November 2008, 7:45 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

superstylin (New user):

This is the most accurate account of optus v tel$tra I have read in some time. Regrettably after 5 years on tel$tra mobile, I switched the other way only due to a new position that put me on a ridiculously cheap corporate plan. As much as the optus network sux, I can't argue against regular bills under $20.

03 November 2008, 9:16 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Eps (New user):

Am I the only Optus customer who hasn't had a single issue with either their 3G coverage, network speeds, or supplied iPhone?

I'm not a fan of either Telstra or Optus and I've had the run around from both in the past. However I often wonder if this Optus bashing is just peer confirmation bias as I can't see how you can get from what I see to the pits of hell others drone on about.

Also, Dan, if you spend half of your 'opinion' piece telling us how bad Telstra is I ask you why support them at all?

03 November 2008, 9:27 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne (Regular user):

Quoting Eps:
Also, Dan, if you spend half of your 'opinion' piece telling us how bad Telstra is I ask you why support them at all?


For the reasons outlined...?

04 November 2008, 6:25 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

croc (New user):

I completely agree with this article and its view points.

I'm glad it isn't just me having issues with Optus mobile network, and that someone like you was able to post such an article at a reputable website.

Thanks :)

03 November 2008, 9:58 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

stefcep (New user):

I have 3 mobile internet and I am very happy with it: fast, reliable, can move from one plan to another and cheap. Not sure about mobile phone service as I am with optus which has been fine.

03 November 2008, 11:46 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bwadley (New user):

Wow, and to think at the beginning of the year I was shot down in flames for sprouting NextG's vastly superior network. I've been with it from day one, leaving Optus in the dust. They are an abhorrent company and Telstra is worth every cent for its vastly superior world-class network. And no I have no affiliation with them!

Just keep your voice down we don't want all the leechers on this network, although I figure its the price that keeps the warez kiddies off it. Thank heaven.

04 November 2008, 1:35 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sydney (New user):

Finally and at last an excellent article that does no reflect the tall poppy syndrome or the kick the 800 pound guerilla sham. Telstra does have superior services and equipment as is endorsed by this truthful expose, restores my faith in APC and allows me to return as a customer of the APC Magazine.

04 November 2008, 8:11 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Red Zone (New user):

Great article Dan. Good to see that our hard work is paying off. If you are impressed now, just wait till the network gets ramped right up next year...YES.

04 November 2008, 11:59 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Kyver (New user):

I am pretty sure that to call Telstra Customer Service (125-111) from a mobile is not free, and will cost you $0.50 flagfall. Telstra also play ping-pong transferring you to/from various departments. You may have just been lucky.
I do admit that the NextG network is great for data, you can easly play WoW or CS with Ventrilo, and you wouldn't think you were using a mobile.
One of my friends attempted to play WoW using Optus 3g, and was getting >10sec pings. hopeless!

04 November 2008, 2:24 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

enjaycee (New user):

These are exactly the issues that I've been having with Optus too. I've got the point of frustration where I am now using a Telstra pre-paid SIM in my iPhone. I'm still paying the monthly cap plan cost to Optus, and "writing this off" as an interest free payment plan for the handset.

04 November 2008, 4:13 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mr_Gadget (New user):

Welcome to better 3G Dan :)



04 November 2008, 5:31 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

JodieM (New user):

Dan, I would really like to know, if when you get your first bill, that you are definitely not being charged for web browsing. If this is really a plan with "unlimited" data then I'm in... can you access GMail (via the GMail App) and Google Maps etc via the BIS. I make very few phone calls on my phone but love to use the data, and don't really want an iPhone so a Blackberry may be the way to go.

04 November 2008, 6:06 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Rick3 (New user):

totally agree, Dan. I took my unlocked Optus iPhone to 3.

04 November 2008, 9:07 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SkiGypsies (New user):

Hurrah, finally you have said what I have been saying all along. Good article and I read the very honest report in APC too. Surprisingly the competitors magazine had an exact same article with different conclusions of which I couldnt believe the result. I have been a Telstra customer ever since they sold mobile phones and will continue when we go from Cable to Wireless (due to the mobility factor). Even though the plans are expensive, they work and coverage has been excellent in all places we have visited except in the middle of national parks on some occasions. SkiGypsies

05 November 2008, 10:02 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous99 (New user):

"The only thing I've liked about Optus Mobile recently is that Surepage (operator-answered paging via SMS at $0.85 per message sent) is included in the $300 call value in the Blackberry plan. However, since that is not an advertised feature of the plan I'd say that is a billing mistake on Optus' part anyway. With Telstra I have to pay for each "Memo" (their name for Surepage) on top of my monthly plan fee."

Telstra also has a Voice to Text Service that will convert all you voicemails to text messages eliminating the need for calling your message bank and is comparable to their memo service. Both services have plans that include a particular amount of messagess delivered

05 November 2008, 12:13 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Golfer (New user):

Dan, I agree with you and having been an Optus customer for fifteen years, I purchased my iPhone through them because at the time I thought they were the most upfront and they made it far easier for me to get my iPhone on day one, when Telstra had the arrogance to not even release their plans , but enough is enough, their service is hopeless. Can you advise if there is any means of getting out of my Optus contract other than paying a couple of thousand dollars?

05 November 2008, 4:36 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Butterfingers (New user):

I totally agree with everything you stated in this article. Having been with Optus Direct for broadband adsl2+ and home phone i got pee'd right off numerous times with their IVR, wait, pass the buck to another dept, wait, rinse and repeat.

I found it funny that this boofhead ( aka known as team lead ) for the CSR in Adelaide told me that my ping of 260ms to my first hop was 'fine.' I asked him if i went right out and got dialup there and then i'd wager my ping would be lower to the first hop than that POS optus backhaul lag. He declined. My point being, i think those dodgy door knockers have moved up to dodgy Optus Call Centre staff.

05 November 2008, 5:37 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Spanky (New user):

I've got btoh Telstra NextG (work) and 3 (personal) phones, and I've noticed minimal difference between them in terms of coverage and speed. I don't use lot of data service, but for casual email and browsing, both are acceptable.

Of course, I pay substantially less for my delightful M600i on 3 than my work does for the basic Samsung flip on NextG.

As Dan pointed out though, the only real problem with 3 is the range of phones and the inability to bring non-3 phones onto the network (AFAIK).

06 November 2008, 12:28 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

davidweh (New user):

well try this .... i have line of sight to the Optus tower in Katoomba - sms get sent or delivered up to 24hrs after originally "sent" ! after Indian operators said "it is your phones" i got BOTH checked and found i had perfect reception all the way from Leura to Penrith but NOT katoomba.... how "curious"!!
via an Optus insider i discovered that Optus have "had problems upgrading to the 3G system and will expect to have matter resolved in about 3 weeks" ... i asked if every Optus customer could be provided with 2 tin cans and a ball of string as that was the service they were ACTUALLY DELIVERING!
what pissed me off was the LIES they told and the time wasteing antics rather than just admitting the tower problem right from the beginning!
maybe LESS money spend on adverts and MORE on service might help!

18 November 2008, 3:27 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

davidweh (New user):

well try this .... i have line of sight to the Optus tower in Katoomba - sms get sent or delivered up to 24hrs after originally "sent" ! after Indian operators said "it is your phones" i got BOTH checked and found i had perfect reception all the way from Leura to Penrith but NOT katoomba.... how "curious"!!
via an Optus insider i discovered that Optus have "had problems upgrading to the 3G system and will expect to have matter resolved in about 3 weeks" ... i asked if every Optus customer could be provided with 2 tin cans and a ball of string as that was the service they were ACTUALLY DELIVERING!
what pissed me off was the LIES they told and the time wasteing antics rather than just admitting the tower problem right from the beginning!
maybe LESS money spend on adverts and MORE on service might help!

18 November 2008, 3:27 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Paul PC (New user):

Dan, you might wish to review your favourable opinion piece about Telstra Next G in the light of the recent thread on Whirlpool (link below):

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1096133&r=17390416#r17390416



07 December 2008, 3:14 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bwadley (New user):

Why? Because of a freak of nature disrupted their network? The network is working perfectly fine in the rest of the country.

07 December 2008, 10:37 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Paul PC (New user):

IMO, any one who builds telecommunications infrastructure in Australia should build in sufficient redundancy to survive the many possible "freaks of nature", but that is not the real issue - it's the lack of any acknowledgement that is the problem.

07 December 2008, 11:08 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Bwadley:
Why? Because of a freak of nature disrupted their network?

Telstra didn't mind making mileage when a freak of back-hoe dug up a QLD optus cable, what goes around comes around.


07 December 2008, 11:25 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Paul PC (New user):

As you say, what goes around, comes around, so why shouldn't Optus make some mileage out of Telstra's discomfiture from time to time?

07 December 2008, 11:54 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Steve V (New user):

Well I just arrived here from a search engine. I have had all my home and business products/services with Optus. With our business Blackberry account I have experienced a nightmare of problems with Optus. I complained to the TIO and after 8 months into a contract Optus advised the TIO that they were prepared to write off the balance on our account (about $3500 at the time. They offered us the option of going to another Telco or they would restart the account at a zero balance. sadly I then agreed to a reset to $0. Since then we have been billed for phones that had contracts cancelled 18 months ago etc etc. I went back to TIO who contacted Optus and showed Optus yet again their various errors. So now they have decided to release our contract. Should I try Vodaphone based on price and better network coverage as of 31 August 2009 or should I pay the significant premium to go with Telstra ???

15 October 2009, 7:48 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Paul PC (New user):

Quoting Steve V:
should I pay the significant premium to go with Telstra ???


I have a Blackberry Bold with Telstra It's not cheap, but the service and coverage is brilliant. If you sign up for it through Telstra business, it's possible to get a cheaper plan than the standard $100 plus $29.95 for the push email.

16 October 2009, 1:19 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Steve V:
should I pay the significant premium to go with Telstra ???

No!!! By doing that you partially solve your imediate problem and at the same time perpetuate ongoing problems that are likely to cause you grief.


Quoting Paul PC:
I have a Blackberry Bold with Telstra It's not cheap

And you have to ask why it's pricing is exhorbitant (not cheap) given a good measure of the Next G roll-out took exclusivity of publically funded resources.


Quoting Paul PC:
but the service and coverage is brilliant.

No!! the service is average. but given the stupid policies that have thus far protected Telstra and offered them unfair advantage it's little surprise they offer an initial advantage.


Quoting Paul PC:
If you sign up for it through Telstra business

then you are signing up for essentially unrestriced billing and a contract which limita your options yet allows the provider to vary terms.


Quoting Paul PC:
it's possible to get a cheaper plan than the standard $100

It's possible to get an entirely better deal and a deal where you are not supporting (at great expense to yourself) a relentless corporate vandal.


16 October 2009, 1:56 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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