Windows 7 nearly ready for public debut

David Flynn
18 August 2008, 12:00 PM


With Vista roundly declared a dog in the marktplace, Microsoft is gearing up to reveal the next-gen Windows and has started the countdown towards a Beta 1 release.


Microsoft has almost hit the halfway mark on the road to Windows 7 – and after a prolonged silence on all things to do with the successor to the much-criticised Vista, due by the end of next year, Redmond’s wheels are spinning up to speed.

Attendees at the October’s Professional Developers Conference (PDC), to be held late October in Los Angeles, will be the first to get a deep dive into the new OS. This will be followed by a second showing at the annual Windows Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC), held in LA two weeks later.

There’s been no hard detail as to exactly what Microsoft will reveal, nor any indication that the massed crowd will receive a ‘technical preview’ or beta build of the next-gen Windows 7. But both the PDC and WinHEC have in the past been crucial seeding platforms for Microsoft to distribute advance copies of each edition of the Windows OS in varying pre-release stages from rough-hewn ‘milestone’ builds to a polished and near-final Beta 2 release or refresh.

And with only 18 months to go before Microsoft hits its proclaimed goal of shipping Windows 7 before the end of 2009 – even if that means sending the ‘release to manufacture’ (RTM) build off to the DVD duplication houses, which takes place months before the OS actually hits the shelves – the arrival of the first public beta can’t be too far way.

One sign of heightened activity inside the Windows 7 bunker, and Microsoft’s awareness that the clock is ticking, is the debut of a new official Windows 7 blog helmed by none other than Windows 7 chief Steven Sinofsky and aimed at “enthusiasts, bloggers, and those that are the most passionate about Windows”.

Just don’t expect an avalanche of scoops and screenshots – at least, not yet. The Engineering Windows 7 blog is set to continue Microsoft’s measured approach to what it reveals, and when it does so, on the anticipated OS.

“We, as a team, definitely learned some lessons about ‘disclosure’ and how we can all too easily get ahead of ourselves in talking about features before our understanding of them is solid” says a first post by Sinofsky and co-host Jon DeVaan, who heads the Windows Core Operating System Division.

“Our intent with Windows 7 and the pre-release communication is to make sure that we have a reasonable degree of confidence in what we talk about when we do talk. Related to disclosure is the idea of how we make sure not to set expectations around the release that end up disappointing you—features that don’t make it, claims that don’t stick, or support we don’t provide.”

Sinofsky’s comments hark back to the many new technologies announced for Windows ‘Longhorn’, leading to overhyped expectations which were dashed as one by one as features were dropped from what became Windows Vista.
Sinofsky took over Windows 7 following years of helming the Microsoft Office team, which always proved to be a tight-run ship. He’s brought the same cautious step-by-step approach to revealing what’s new in Windows 7.

To date all that’s been confirmed is the inclusion of touchscreen support in the OS, although native virtualisation is also on the cards in order to help overcome compatibility issues running software written for older versions of Windows. Windows 7 is also expected to get a radically revised XML-based interface sporting elements of the Office 2007 ribbon, based on the work of Windows User Experience veep Julie Larson-Green, who lead the Office 2007 user interface team when Sinofsky was Office supremo and has since been hired by Sinofsky to bring the same fresh approach to the OS.


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agami (New user):

It's very difficult to see how Windows 7 is aligned to any kind of strategy other than Damage Control and Catch-Up.

Though the inclusion of multi-touch-screens is more than just having the OEMs build them into their product roll-outs. The API and SDK will be critical. And since Microsoft generally have difficulty producing powerful 1st generation tool sets they're pretty much screwed.

18 August 2008, 1:09 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Touch screens the killer inclusion? Already have touch screen support anywhere I need it and it will just be more bloat anywhere else.

When if ever are MS planning to improve some of the deficiencies in core functionality? Start up time, smooth transference to different networks, better interoperability with other OSs and compliance with industry standards to name just a few.

Windows 7 is looking to be just Vista with a re-badge, ready for the next wave of suckers.

18 August 2008, 2:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (User):

Quoting Raindog:
Windows 7 is looking to be just Vista with a re-badge, ready for the next wave of suckers.

So this is your report from PDC and WinHEC in LA from October (?) than ?




20 August 2008, 12:58 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Aubrey (New user):

"With Vista roundly declard a dog in the marktplace...."

Was this statement cleared by Dan Warne? Do you still have a job? Do you have a spellchecker? Would you like to buy one?

All this hype about sticking to scheduled release dates is a bit rich coming from MS. I'm surprised anyone can even report such statements without giggling uncontrollably.

"Related to disclosure is the idea of how we make sure not to set expectations around the release that end up disappointing you..."

My expectations are already so low it would be difficult to be disappointed. But I'm sure they'll give it a good ole MS try. See Raindog's comment above.

18 August 2008, 4:31 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Aubrey:
Was this statement cleared by Dan Warne? Do you still have a job? Do you have a spellchecker? Would you like to buy one?

Steady on, it's a typo, nobody lost an eye.


Quoting Aubrey:
All this hype about sticking to scheduled release dates is a bit rich coming from MS.

Given this is looking like nothing more that a re-birth of Vista plus touchscreens coding, it should be hard for even MS to live up to the quoted schedule. How long does a re-skin take? On the other hand it took years for the Vista to materialise "into not much new here".


18 August 2008, 5:43 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Aubrey (New user):

Quoting Raindog:
Steady on, it's a typo, nobody lost an eye.

OK, but, according to some sources, Hiroshima got pwned because of a typo. And what if this article caused some poor 'Me in Oz' type to get excited about a new vapourware release from MS? Hmmm? Not so funny now!

18 August 2008, 7:57 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Aubrey:
'Me in Oz' type to get excited about a new vapourware release from MS?

I'll leave my comments until I've actually used it :)


19 August 2008, 12:51 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Robo_Cop (New user):

I'm looking at a new PC. What to get, so many choices...VISTA, UBUNTU or OSX?

Why didn't Microsoft build as OS faster and more secure? People are fed up with paying more for a high powered PC, just be be able to do the same things! Some people have worked with XP for years and have become quite experienced but MS ignore this and focus on total newbies. Why treat everyone like a newbie? People want to customise their whole OS and save this so everthing can be reinstalled (following origonal instructions).

If Windows does have a 'half life' (it seems that way to me) with things getting slower with time, why don't MS allow people to create an image of their system when they finish setting up? This customised setup could be run again to restore? When ever I've seem problems it can be easier to reinstall everything and start again which takes a long time even with the small amount of customisation.

I've used Symantec Ghost and reinstalled a customised version of Windows in under 10 mins. So come on MS if your OS needs reinstalling every year or so...why not focus on how to restore personalised settings?

At the moment, the only way I can see that you can get the most from your hardware is to use another OS.

Ubuntu is great for speed but is not quite compatible enough with hardware and is not easy to install things for my liking so it looks like Mac OSX or Lepoard is going to be the one for me!

18 August 2008, 8:32 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

anonymuos (New user):

The only time MS got UI right was in Windows 9x, Windows 2000 and XP. The UI if not anything (the layout of buttons, complicated steps, clumsy explanations, bad colors and beauty over productivity) is what doomed the much-criticized Vista. If MS doesn't get this right, we're going to see a faster migration to Mac OS X.

18 August 2008, 9:09 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AndyCee (New user):

[i]native virtualisation is also on the cards[/i]
I'm not sure I can get my head around that. Before I go on - do you mean virtual machine? It's hard to imagine a version of windows including such a large effort to ensure backwards-compatibility. Good on 'em, if that's the case.

I'm vaguely curious about the different versioning scheme of Windows 7 (home/premium/media edition/etc). I'd love, in particular, whether versioning will be one-dimensional or whether there will be more 'niched' versions (eg. windows 7 'lite', 'Gamer', 'Net edition', etc.) but I doubt that happening.

18 August 2008, 11:24 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

I'm sure I read all this when Vista was in beta release.
Should we all just wait for the final release and use it before we post reviews ?
Or is that just too sensible for a bunch of jaded IT gurus (you know who you are)

19 August 2008, 1:01 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
I'm sure I read all this when Vista was in beta release.

I'm sure I stated at the time (as did hundreds of others)that Vista was looking to become an overdue, over-hyped and under-delivering dog. Looks like my predictions were correct then, only time will tell if Windows 7 proves me wrong this time.


Quoting Me In Oz:
Should we all just wait for the final release

You can wait if you wish, wait quietly would be even better.


Quoting Me In Oz:
and use it before we post reviews ?

What review? Comment has been made regarding MS press releases. If pre release discussion doesn't interest you, then don't participate.





19 August 2008, 1:16 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
You can wait if you wish
Thanks ! Seems the most sensible :)

Quoting Raindog:
wait quietly would be even better

The silence will only be deafening to you Raindog :)

Quoting Raindog:
then don't participate.

No ! That's your wish :)




19 August 2008, 1:34 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Thanks ! Seems the most sensible

then sensibly wait. Do it quietly.


20 August 2008, 10:27 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
then sensibly wait. Do it quietly.

Read my post above ............. dimwit !




21 August 2008, 8:13 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (New user):

Quoting Raindog:
only time will tell if Windows 7 proves me wrong this time.

So take some of your own advice and curb your anti-MS verbal diarrheoa !




19 August 2008, 3:10 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AndyCee (New user):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
So take some of your own advice and curb your anti-MS verbal diarrheoa !


Does it count as 'verbal' if it's a typed post? ;)


19 August 2008, 4:53 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (New user):

Quoting AndyCee:
Does it count as 'verbal' if it's a typed post? ;)

Especially if it's a typed post ;)




20 August 2008, 8:16 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
Especially if it's a typed post


Who let the idiot out?

20 August 2008, 10:28 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (New user):

Quoting Raindog:
Who let the idiot out?

Another fine example of Raindog's dimwitted intellect at work here.

At least this post is a true indication of your state of mind. I much prefer it to the faux intellectual gibberish you have been posting :P




20 August 2008, 11:12 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
Another fine example of Raindog's dimwitted intellect at work here.

Seems a little battered and bruised after the spanking he got on the XP vs Vista thread .... LOL




21 August 2008, 8:16 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

You cannot batter you way out of your own ignorance. You are not consequential enouth to rate as threat.

Do you have anything on topic to contribute?

21 August 2008, 9:11 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
Do you have anything on topic to contribute?

No ! I'm doing this to annoy you :D






21 August 2008, 9:49 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
I much prefer it to the


What you prefer is of no consequence. If you wish to perpetually be a fool amongst fools there are more appropriate venues.

Do you have anything on topic to contribute or do you wish to poison the environment for all?

21 August 2008, 9:08 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (New user):

Quoting Raindog:
Do you have anything on topic to contribute or do you wish to poison the environment for all?

No ! We're here now to track your every move and be the main cause for your insomnia LOL

You posts are now just 'copy and paste' Raindog. Feeling battered are you :P




21 August 2008, 9:23 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Do you have anything on topic to contribute or do you wish to poison the environment for all?

21 August 2008, 9:31 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Aubrey (New user):

Quoting Raindog:
If you wish to perpetually be a fool amongst fools there are more appropriate venues.

Not many I think.

And just because Raindog is an invective magnet for Windows fanboys doesn't mean he is wrong. In fact I see very little in the responses to his observations here or elsewhere that either addresses the issues he has raised or, frankly, makes any sense at all. Fifteen responses saying "you are an idiot" is not a indication of the strength of an argument. All that's missing is a misspelled allegation that he is gay. Once that happens, we can look forward to a merger between the APC forums and Youtube.



21 August 2008, 9:27 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Aubrey:
And just because Raindog is an invective magnet for Windows fanboys doesn't mean he is wrong

Doesn't mean he is right either !
His intolerance to the other's opinions and his self-elected moderator mentality has been his downfall !

Quoting Aubrey:
In fact I see very little in the responses to his observations here or elsewhere

If you feel Raindog's posts have been objective and not bigoted, then that is your opinion, which I will not refute or moderate (reading this Raindog).

Quoting Aubrey:
responses saying "you are an idiot"

I think our words were 'Dimwit' and 'Doofus' !

Quoting Aubrey:
Once that happens, we can look forward to a merger between the APC forums and Youtube.

Until this is changed into a moderated forum, our comments will just as valid as the dimwit's !




21 August 2008, 10:08 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):


Quoting Me In Oz:
which I will not refute or moderate

Do you have anything on topic to contribute or do you wish to poison the environment for all?




21 August 2008, 10:14 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
Do you have anything on topic to contribute or do you wish to poison the environment for all?

No ! Not until APC tells me it is a requirement !



21 August 2008, 10:20 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Until this is changed into a moderated forum, our comments will just as valid

The fact that your pointless snipes are tolerated in no way gives them validity. Do you have anything in relation to this topic to contribute?


21 August 2008, 9:55 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
What you prefer is of no consequence

Seems consequential enough for Raindog to respond to all the 'static' :D




21 August 2008, 10:34 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Do you have anything on topic to contribute or do you wish to poison the environment for all?

21 August 2008, 9:56 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
Do you have anything on topic to contribute or do you wish to poison the environment for all?

No ! We're only posting to annoy you !





22 August 2008, 7:47 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AtticusFinch (New user):

With Sinofsky's team in charge I can see a release more focused on re-acquiring some of the OS market lost by Vista. And I agree with the comment on the overhyped expectations released for Vista. It can only end up as unsubstantiated bagging (ala the comments so far on this thread).
I for one am looking forward to touch screens as a UI. Having an intellectually impaired son trying to use a keyboard is quite frustrating and sometimes heartbreaking. This feature will benefit many of his ilk.

19 August 2008, 1:13 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting AtticusFinch:
I for one am looking forward to touch screens as a UI. Having an intellectually impaired son trying to use a keyboard is quite frustrating and sometimes heartbreaking.

I can truly understand your enthusiasm for touch screens given the circumstances. How do you see what MS is hyping being any different from the many touch screen solutions available now? Simple easily identifiable and intuitive are the obvious needs of a good touch screen solution, I wonder if the MS developments are even addressing these areas?



20 August 2008, 10:34 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

gankul (User):

Because when MS puts this into a windows release, there is a chance it can become mainstream, and more company's can then release products that use this.

besised, every company hypes up things. You just ignore the hype and look at the product when it comes out. Even us gamers know this.

21 August 2008, 10:26 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting gankul:
Because when MS puts this into a windows release, there is a chance it can become mainstream

Touch screen technology is already widely available. The multi touch will be of little or no use where touch screens are a better option. Why does the mainstream need another add-on that most will likely never utilise?

This has the ever present smell of another MS re-badge of existing technology with added hype. It will likely hamper rather than foster development of intuitive touch screen for specialist applications.
Mainstream commodity inclusion of a mostly unneeded technology.




21 August 2008, 10:13 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Goofballing aside !

Quoting Raindog:
It will likely hamper rather than foster development of intuitive touch screen for specialist applications.

The touch screen market is very specialised as in stock/inventory control, POS retail, research sectors and, publication and design. Development will continue for this niche irrespective of any company making it mainstream.

MS should be lauded for introducing it to the mainstream users, and if some people find it 'useless' then don't use it.

Quoting Raindog:
Mainstream commodity inclusion of a mostly unneeded technology.

I don't think a small sector of the computer user market should have a right in declaring what is useful or not useful for the 'whole' market.
It may not work out like alot of MS apps and products, but thank goodness the failures from companies (not just MS) have not deterred new R&D and the continual search for new and easier ways to do things.
I, personally cannot see much value in the technology for what I do on a pc, but people like my wife (graphic design) and AtticusFinch will certainly find it useful. Therefore I don't think it is up to the likes of me to say whether this is a 'useless' add-on.




22 August 2008, 8:09 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
The touch screen market is very specialised

And will remain so. What are the advantages for the average user? The specialist applications are already well served without more OS bloat.


Quoting Me In Oz:
MS should be lauded for introducing it to the mainstream users

Why? You have already stated the market is specialised. What will touch screen deliver for average users?


Quoting Me In Oz:
and if some people find it 'useless' then don't use it.

And suffer the unnecessary code bloat and system load regardless? Real innovation!


Quoting Me In Oz:
I don't think a small sector of the computer user market should have a right in declaring what is useful or not useful for the 'whole' market.

Exactly! The small numbers who will benefit should not adversely affect the majority. Those minorities are better catered for by the specialist suppliers than by some one size fits all inclusion of MS bloatware.



Quoting Me In Oz:
have not deterred new R&D and the continual search for new and easier ways to do things.


Quoting Me In Oz:
have not deterred new R&D and the continual search for new and easier ways to do things.

MS market manipulation and has every potential to hamper specialist developers and inclusion of a half baked one size fits solution by MS can be the difference to the viability of those same innovate R&D efforts.

Quoting Me In Oz:
I, personally cannot see much value in the technology for what I do on a PC, but people like my wife (graphic design) and AtticusFinch will certainly find it useful.

And MS does not cater for this, every user has endure the MS grab bag of functionality regardless? If MS was truly innovative they would be addressing code efficiency and modularity. Just like a Foxtel package you have to purchase and endure the junk as well as the what you need
to run.

Quoting Me In Oz:
Therefore I don't think it is up to the likes of me to say whether this is a 'useless' add-on.

It's the right of every user to be critical of a product, if they just endure whatever is dished up without complaint then the product will likely never improve.


22 August 2008, 10:05 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

I will address 2 issues you have brought up in your argument ...
(APC should fix this damn forum)
Again, goofballing aside.

1 - Innovation

Isn't R&D and trial and error all part of innovation ? There will always be apps that will fail because of poor programming and/or user take up. Who are we to determine what is going to be successful and what isn't, and especially before it is even in beta test !
If it fails, well, MS will just have to go to something else. I came from a time when people thought the pc mouse was a gimmick, and we would never consider buying a pc without one now !
So how do you 'innovate' for everyone ? You can't design something that suits everybody's personal needs. All you can do as a large developer is put things on the table and see what happens. Failure or success will be determined by the sales, not the happiness index of individual users. This is why I giggle when 1 Linux user jumps on and says his Linux experience is close to nirvana, while another Linux user is crying because his dial up modem is kaput on the SAME set up. You can't please everybody. What MS is trying to do is nearly impossible, but I'm glad they are trying :)

2 - Bloatware

This is not just directed at you, but to many who refer to this misnoma.
Are you referring it as resource hungry apps.
Hardware is so cheap that I still slap my forehead when people still complain that The Vista install takes up over 4 gig of HD space. WOW ! 4 gig at less than $99 for a 500 gig drive seems a ludicrous argument.
Are you referring it as infrequently used apps.
MS is/has/will always develop an OS for the masses. I don't use 50% of the features of Vista, but others will. I would rather have a feature that may be used included than having a feature not included when I needed it in future.
Ms, Apple and anyone else who are endeavouring (sometimes failing) to bring ALL facets of computing to everybody should be applauded for the effort.

And as an aside, with no facetiousness intended, I get the feeling as I read that you are quite angry with the IT industry for some reason ? There is no need to explain, it's just the impression I get.

22 August 2008, 1:28 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

plutonium210 (User):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Bloatware

Apple is not immune to this problem too.
But these apps are designed on machines running at least quad-core cpu and high end graphics cards, not PIII or MacII. So the bloatware argument is quite moot these days of cheap hardware (even for Apple)




22 August 2008, 3:52 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting plutonium210:
But these apps are designed on machines running at least quad-core cpu and high end graphics cards

NO! These apps are so badly structured they require such levels of PC horsepower to perform relatively simple tasks.


Quoting plutonium210:
So the bloatware argument is quite moot these days

Um no! See above. Poor code is poor code is poor code. A workaround via up spec-ed hardware does not stop it from being poor code.


25 August 2008, 8:20 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Isn't R&D and trial and error all part of innovation ?

Sure is? But re-badging acquisitions of pre-existing technology is far from innovation.


Quoting Me In Oz:
Who are we to determine what is going to be successful and what isn't, and especially before it is even in beta test !

The press releases give a more than accurate indication, its not hard to read when the hype is expected reality.


Quoting Me In Oz:
If it fails, well, MS will just have to go to something else.

I can suggest several things I think Balmer should go to. Tow truck driving for instance. He displays the necessary personality traits. :>



Quoting Me In Oz:
So how do you 'innovate' for everyone ?

A rethink of the role of the modern PC OS would be a good start. Modular, sleek and efficient code.


Quoting Me In Oz:
You can't design something that suits everybody's personal needs.

You can you add those missing ingredients, flexibility and modularity.


Quoting Me In Oz:
This is why I giggle when 1 Linux user jumps on and says his Linux experience is close to nirvana, while another Linux user is crying because his dial up modem is kaput on the SAME set up.


Agreed, but the same sentence holds true when you substitute Linux with windows.

Quoting Me In Oz:
What MS is trying to do is nearly impossible, but I'm glad they are trying

Here I disagree, There has been lots of marketing and bugger all innovation with windows for over a decade. If you sit on the top and lack the ability to evolve there is only one direction you can travel.


Quoting Me In Oz:
Hardware is so cheap that I still slap my forehead when people still complain that The Vista install takes up over 4 gig of HD space.

Sure the hardware is cheap, but when cooling a CPU in 2008 involves multiple fans, and at times heat pumps the insanity is obvious. Hardware may be cheap but energy isn't anymore.
I don't really care innefficent a lone home PC is but when you have to run a few hundred of them power consumption both direct and in the form of air conditioning load is very real economic consideration. For each new generation of PCs to become less efficient is insane.
Tiny Notebook Batteries now hold enough charge to start a motorcycle but the advantages of this technology is eaten up by ever increasing demand.



Quoting Me In Oz:
I don't use 50% of the features of Vista, but others will.

I doubt that very much. It's mostly stickerware fluff.


Quoting Me In Oz:
I would rather have a feature that may be used included than having a feature not included when I needed it in future.

If that held true then the majority would be purchasing Vista Ultimate in favour of all other versions.


Quoting Me In Oz:
Ms, Apple and anyone else who are endeavouring (sometimes failing) to bring ALL facets of computing to everybody should be applauded for the effort.

I'll reserve applause for achievements in a commercial world, and I'll be critical when successive version fail to address real world usability issues that could be solved with little effort.


Quoting Me In Oz:
And as an aside, with no facetiousness intended, I get the feeling as I read that you are quite angry with the IT industry for some reason ?

No I'm not angry it's an industry that after all pays my bills. A better description would be dismayed. I wonder what has happened to real innovation from some of these major OS players. They can market GUI refreshes till the cows come home and it still will not constitute innovation.
I use Microsoft product, I'd be foolish not to, but MS contempt for their consumers has me utilising alternatives wherever it is practical and economical to do so.
There are lots of exciting and innovative things happening in IT, MS is behind none of them, so I'll reserve the right to yawn at yet another sideways or backwards step for Windows.

22 August 2008, 8:44 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ncbfc1 (New user):

I. If you are so concerned with streamlining code or reinventing the wheel, by all means do it.
Instead of wasting time posting you could be working on your own solution to the issues you keep raising time and time again in your posts. In the military we are always told that if you are going to point out problems you had better be working on a solution for it.
On a side note, you guys are pretty damn entertaining with your petty arguing.

07 September 2008, 5:11 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ozgeek (New user):

why do microsofts programs feel like apple and linux's little brother? its like they just look at the rest of the IT market and think hey i want that then six months later they make a big deal about it that just feels like they are going ME TOO!!!

10 September 2008, 2:57 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

MNK (New user):

Just had a quick glance over the idiotic discussions above. I'm convinced that you spent as much time on useless discussions in respect to the MS. The amount of time you spend explaining and justifying any MS products, I'd spend 1/4 time using Mac and the rest on a sandy beach surfing and not worrying about some Win bullocks...:D

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