Windows 7: is it Vista SE or Windows 2010?

David Flynn25 September 2008, 10:48 PM

As Windows 7 moves towards Beta 1, with an end-of-2009 target for final release, Microsoft will puzzle over how to position the next-gen OS.


Windows 7 is gearing up for its public debut at next month’s Professional Developers Conference (PDC) be held in Los Angeles, where Microsoft will distribute the first widely-available preview edition of the OS.

All attendees at the premier techfest (APC among them) will receive a 160GB USB hard drive containing a fresh-baked ‘pre-beta’ build from the Milestone 3 series beyond the current m3.6780 edition. The hand-out will be repeated at the annual Windows Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) to be held in early November. PDC and WinHEC have both been crucial seeding platforms for Microsoft to distribute advance copies of previous Windows releases in varying pre-release stages.

Towards Beta 1

Legendary Microsoft watcher Mary Jo Foley reports there is currently no Milestone 4 on the Windows 7 roadmap, so the next stop is Beta 1. This could conceivably queue up for broad release by December as Redmond’s Christmas present to its devoted fans.

Assuming Microsoft follows that up with a Beta 2 by the middle of 2009, Windows 7 could hit Release Candidate stage during the third quarter of the year – putting the OS on target to hit Microsoft’s goal of shipping Windows 7 before the end of 2009.

This doesn’t mean that boxes of Windows 7 will be lining the shelves next to must-have Christmas gifts such as the Steve Ballmer action figure. Simply sending the release-to-manufacture’ (RTM) build off to the DVD duplication houses and making it available for download by selected customers (as was done with the ‘business’ release of Windows Vista in November 2006, prior to the actual consumer launch in January 2007) would be sufficient for Microsoft to trumpet that Windows 7 shipped on time.

It’s also questionable that Windows 7 needs broad release by Christmas. Major OS advances like XP and Vista are the ones which benefit most from a pre-Christmas release because they’re so closely tied into the sales of new PCs. Windows 7 isn’t an OS that will send shoppers rushing to buy a new desktop or notebook.

Which raises the question of exactly what Windows 7 is, and how Microsoft will frame it in relation to the Windows platform in general and of course Windows Vista in particular.

Vista SE...

With advances in the kernel, networking system, user interface, desktop applications, hardware and device support, Windows 7 is certainly more than a mere Service Pack. It’s closer to the realm of a mid-life update in the shape of Windows 98 Second Edition or the R2 editions of Windows Server 2003 and 2008.

Should Windows 7 settle into that groove, it presents Microsoft with two immediate challenges. First, what to call the OS? If it’s not a significant advance from Vista (and all signs indicate that to be the case), then it would make sense to retain the Vista brand and promote Windows 7 as a ‘one step better’ upgrade to your Vista PC. Does this mean we’ll see something along the lines of Vista SE, Vista 2.0 or Vista Plus?

Secondly, will this Vista variant be a sufficient drawcard for current owners of Vista PCs? Microsoft can’t expect to set the cash registers ringing by tossing high-priced boxes onto the shelves. It may be smarter to price Windows 7 in line with its ‘upgrade’ status, around $100-150, and perhaps even make some of the core improvements available as a free download while tempting users to pony up for the sweeter stuff.

... or Windows 2010?

The alternative, of course, is to draw a line in the sand and relegate the ‘Vista’ brand to Microsoft’s company timeline. A return to the simpler year-branding which Microsoft pioneered over a decade ago (and which it retains for most of its client and server software) would result in Windows 2010.

‘Twenty-ten’ is a catchy name, to be sure. But such a move would imply a solid break from the past (which Microsoft may not be willing to entertain) and substantial step forward from Vista (which Windows 7 is not), leaving the company open to claims that Windows 2010 is more like ‘Windows 2007 and a bit’.

There’s also room for a high degree of dissatisfaction from customers who install Windows 2010 and end up staring at the desktop wondering exactly what has changed from Vista and was it worth the money?

So far, all the signs are that Microsoft’s strategy with Windows 7 is to underpromise and overdeliver - the exact opposite of the Longhorn/Vista experience. If so, Windows 7 may be forced to remain a Son of Vista rather than the Future of Windows.



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Your Average Joe (Cornerstone member):

Although I will always have a soft spot for Bill and Co. There is buckley's chance of MS making the full release an upgrade price of $150. Here's my tip from within the inner sanctum of wholesalers/importers. $100 for Upgrade and about $300 for the full install.

26 September 2008, 7:59 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AtticusFinch (User):

This is certainly a great chance for Microsoft to reacquire some goodwill by offering this 'upgrade' at sensible prices. I hope they do. The vehement attack (some of it deservedly so) on their marque product has been so widespread that surely we will see a name change away from 'Vista' ................... 'Mojave' maybe !

26 September 2008, 8:06 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

n1ck0 (New user):

WTF were did the writing go

26 September 2008, 8:19 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Cornerstone member):

My tip to Ballmer is to ditch the 'Vista' tag. It carries way too much baggage ! The 'Mojave' project was a certain indicator.
Although from the way Ballmer carries on, I'll bet his ego/pride will veto any name changes just to 'stick it' to the nay-sayers !

Here's an appropriate suggestion Steve .......... 'Phoenix' ..... from the ashes :)


26 September 2008, 8:20 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (Advanced member):

" .. underpromise and overdeliver .." - APC

Steve finally got my email !

Expect nothing and you'll never be disappointed :)

26 September 2008, 8:29 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

plutonium210 (Advanced member):

How about 'Vista MacE' .... (Mac Edition)

or 'Vista - The Director's Cut'
or 'Vista - Redux'
or 'Vista - The Tarantino Rehack'
or 'Vista Me' ................ Hee hee

Good luck Ballmer, you're gonna need it !

26 September 2008, 8:39 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Cornerstone member):

Quoting plutonium210:
'Vista - The Tarantino Rehack'

LOL !!!
That's pretty funny from a self-confessed MacBook Air owner !




26 September 2008, 8:45 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AndyCee (Advanced member):

I reckon Windows 7 should be called "Winnux", just for the reaction it would generate.

26 September 2008, 9:35 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Cornerstone member):

Quoting AndyCee:
just for the reaction it would generate.

It would certainly be one way to get rid of Ballmer ;)




26 September 2008, 9:42 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

You forgot "Hasta la Vista, Baby"... I mean, isn't that sort of the point of the quick release?

26 September 2008, 9:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jake (User):

a good name for vista se would be "vista deluxe edition"

26 September 2008, 11:55 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

YNWA (New user):

If Microsoft had retained their year-branding naming structure, I wonder if more people would have moved from Windows 2001 to Windows 2007 than are willing to from Windows XP to Windows Vista.

Having their OS advertise the fact that it's 6 years behind the newest version may have been enough to tip a few more users into moving.

26 September 2008, 2:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

YNWA (New user):

Double post...opps.

26 September 2008, 2:34 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

They can't call it Windows 2010... It's scheduled to release end of 09. Everyone knows Windows comes out at the END of the stated year, so it has to be 2009 if it's coming out then.

26 September 2008, 9:51 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jake (User):

Quoting Tin:
They can't call it Windows 2010... It's scheduled to release end of 09.


microsofts official release date is somewhere in 2010, and no windows doesn't come out at the end of the started year , it hasn't since prob windows 3.11.

27 September 2008, 12:01 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Stated not started... Learn to read the words and understand non-serious comments about release schedules from MS.

27 September 2008, 10:58 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Tin:
They can't call it Windows 2010... It's scheduled to release end of 09. Everyone knows Windows comes out at the END of the stated year, so it has to be 2009 if it's coming out then.

So windows 2013 it is then!



27 September 2008, 8:06 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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