XP apps not happy on Windows 7

Please install the flash player

Angus Kidman17 February 2010, 8:39 AM

Two-thirds of companies shifting from XP to Windows 7 had issues, a study finds.


Thinking of shifting your business PCs from XP to Windows 7? You're likely to be in for a world of pain.

A preliminary assessment of early adopters of Windows 7 by Forrester Research draws some fairly painful conclusions for any companies considering making a generation-shifting switch from XP to 7.

"Microsoft has clearly done a better job preparing the hardware and software ecosystem for Windows 7 than it did for Windows Vista, but significant work still remains for IT managers responsible for application inventorying, testing, remediation, and packaging," Forrester analyst Benjamin Gray wrote in a report released last week. "While it’s still too early for benchmark testing results, based on Forrester’s discussions with early adopter customers, firms that are on Windows XP or earlier versions of Windows should anticipate approximately two-thirds of their applications to not be natively supported on Windows 7."

While Forrester stressed that the results were preliminary and only drawn from a small sample, the figure highlights one of the challenges Microsoft will have in pushing Windows 7 to a wider user base. Many corporations skipped Vista -- the release between XP and Windows 7 -- entirely because of hardware compatibility problems and general poor performance. Windows 7 uses the same basic code base as Vista but has been much better received. Customers shifting from Vista had far fewer problems, Forrester found, but that likely represents a smaller percentage of the typical enterprise user base.

Microsoft has sold 60 million copies of Windows 7 since it was launched in October 2009, but the majority of those purchases have been by individuals rather than organisations. Businesses typically don't update until 12 months or more after the release of a new OS, and often tie that upgrade in with the changeover of hardware.

While some of these transition issues can be resolved by using options such as Windows 7' "XP Mode", that process isn't necessarily straightforward. "A fairly consistent lesson we heard from early adopter customers is to ensure that you have enough human resources tackling these tasks initially, particularly for multinational organizations that support thousands of applications worldwide — many of which were likely developed in-house," Gray wrote.

Read APC on your iPad now!

Post your comment



Comments

RSS feed Email alert

Me In Oz (User):

Hardly a surprise.
You would have found similar figures from companies migrating from Win95 to XP. XP and Vista/Win7 are different kernels and code architecture, memory handling .... blah blah blah.

Keeps people like Tin and Raindog in a job :)

17 February 2010, 9:23 AM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Keeps people like Tin and Raindog in a job

Indeed it does. And this in itself is not an issue, MS is aware of the compatibility traps and of the sensitivity of business.

A good proportion of those Windows Seven licenses are for new machines destined to run XP for their working life. MS has found it easy to coax idle gamers to cash out big bucks for new eye candy builds but have found their considerable volume of business customers a lot harder to convince, for the most part they are convinced at all.

Vista/Windows 7 and the way they have been thrust into the marketplace have been the greatest boost to Apple and Linux in years, and while that migration is a comparative trickle in overall numbers it is a constantly growing trickle.

MS have no-one to blame but themselves. The short term gains of App hell where an OS migration results in a cost blowout of application and hardware and back-end costs is not something in the interests of business.

The retention of XP puts business in a holding pattern. It's a situation that cannot proceed indefinitely, demands always evolve over time and change is inevitable. Business has had a tough year or two and this has involved necessary cost cutting and evaluation of expenditure.

The security of running MS only sites no longer exists, in fact the to do so results in huge spike in business costs.

MS is fast becoming a gamer only OS while the rest of the world ploughs ahead towards productivity. I've still not seen a pressing business argument towards a real need to migrate from XP, it simply does not exist. That argument existed for Dos to Windows, it existed for WFW to W95 and for W95 to 2K/XP.

The fan-boys can scoff all they like, but the chasm between doing work and playing shoot-em-up games is widening. MS has cornered the market for bored teenagers and lonely adults striving for ownership of the biggest, latest, newest phallic symbol machines. In decades past the same types bought panel vans and we all know how that market finished and who got the girls for the duration.

Progress however is something entirely different, those who've taken off the rose coloured glasses and have done the sums know I'm right on the money. :)



17 February 2010, 9:59 AM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

K (User):

Quoting Raindog:
I've still not seen a pressing business argument towards a real need to migrate from XP, it simply does not exist.


Hardware and software these days is "good enough" anyway and does the job for most people - the (rhetorical?) question is, what does Win7 offer that XP doesn't already provide for most businesses with established IT infrastructure?

17 February 2010, 10:14 AM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Cornerstone member):

Quoting K:
Hardware and software these days is "good enough" anyway and does the job for most people

Which hardware? A sub $1K 2Gb RAM name brand box that runs superbly under XP becomes a little sluggish with the later offerings. With no discernible difference in the end product from either system, what is the business model for selecting something with greater hardware demands?


Quoting K:
the (rhetorical?) question is, what does Win7 offer that XP doesn't already provide for most businesses with established IT infrastructure?

Nothing rhetorical about it, it's the most valid question you could ask.


17 February 2010, 10:24 AM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Larry South (New user):

Our SME has replaced all older pc's (from P4 to Centrino) with 11 new HP dc7900 pc's (4GB), all with Win XP Pro SP3 installed, and all with a Win 7 Pro upgrade licence. They came with a 3-year warranty (ie, it covers their expected usfull life). This was necessary because any upgrades to our existing boxes just didn't make economic sense.

We looked at our existing legacy applications -- mainly Lotus Approach, MS Access and QuickBooks Pro -- and realised that running them under XP Pro emulation was the only sensible way to move to Win 7. It's doable, but why bother?

Meanwhile, we're steadily redeveloping our applications on a OS-neutral platform that allows us to accomodate users who have devices/computers running Windows (all flavours), Mac OS-X, Linux, Unix, MS Mobile, and whatever the iPhone runs on. Running via a web browser (IE, Opera, Firefox) is also meeting our expectations. The early results seem remarkably usable, and the techno-phobic users (some still struggle with the move from pencils to biros) are happily logging in and using the systems with minimal griping. Amazing!

Databases automatically replicate from office to office so we don't have to worry about power/comms outages...

Office apps are being rapidly moved to OpenOffice 3.2 or clones -- it doesen't matter 'who' packages OO (OOf, Sun, IBM, et al) -- the files and function sets are essentially identical. User training -- always a MUCH bigger hit than hardware, OS and software costs -- has been cost-effective.

Oh, didn't I mention our OS-neutral development platform? Lotus Notes. :-)

15 March 2010, 1:10 AM (4 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (User):

Quoting Me In Oz:
similar figures from companies migrating from Win95 to XP.

I would have suggested higher than 2/3.
That DOS to Win95 period is still giving me nightmares.
FAT16 Apps to NT Apps .............. Yuk.




17 February 2010, 10:19 AM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

plutonium210 (Cornerstone member):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
That DOS to Win95 period is still giving me nightmares.

Yes! Whatever happened to "autoexec.bat" and "config.sys" and endless scripts to get drivers and apps working?

Oh Yeah, thats rights, you can still find them in the latest Linux distros ..... LOL

*** Get a Mac .... It just works *** :)




17 February 2010, 10:30 AM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Cornerstone member):

Quoting plutonium210:
*** Get a Mac .... "and you can behave like a tool" ***

Apologies to those who prefer Macs for reasons other than to just be a knob.



17 February 2010, 10:35 AM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sp33d d3mon (Advanced member):

Quoting Raindog:
Apologies to those who prefer Macs for reasons other than to just be a knob.

Well, I got a Mac because my school thinks PCs are the epitome of evil, and anyone who uses a PC notebook (Win or Lin) is not allowed to use their laptop at school. So I run Windows, Ubuntu and Mac OS X on my notebook, and I'm not a knob.



17 February 2010, 8:35 PM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Sp33d d3mon:
and I'm not a knob.

can't recall that accusation ever being pointed your way. Mind you it sounds like your school is run by knobs. What kind of third world education denies access to well established business tools and life skills?


17 February 2010, 9:04 PM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymousewiuu2945u389 (Cornerstone member):

Quoting plutonium210:
*** Get a Mac .... It just works *** :)

I'm not sacrificing the ability to upgrade hardware easily and cheaply for something that "just works"

17 February 2010, 7:39 PM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Cornerstone member):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
That DOS to Win95 period is still giving me nightmares.

Backward compatibility is a bitch, but it's not something that will go away. You'd think MS would have learnt, but it appears all they have learnt is quick buck theory and that business model is now becoming way past it's use by date in a maturing marketplace.


17 February 2010, 10:30 AM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (User):

To all the luddites out there,

1 - You can't un-invent technology.
2 - The Holden FJ was a good car and performed its design functions admirably, but should we still be driving it? ........... Yes! According the all proponents of 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' mantra.

And @ Raindog.
Computers are not all work. Most people have fun with theirs too.

17 February 2010, 10:42 AM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Your Average Joe:
1 - You can't un-invent technology.

When did a revision of a UI constitute classification as technology. What new (and useful) functions are actually achieved?


Quoting Your Average Joe:
2 - The Holden FJ was a good car

You are kidding right?

but since you can only think in crude auto analogies, power brakes, seat belts, air conditioning, power steering, headlights that work are amongst the thousands of differentiations between the humpy and Holden's latest. Can you name me even a 100th of that number in differentiators between XP and later versions?


Quoting Your Average Joe:
Computers are not all work. Most people have fun with theirs too.

What lonely lads do in the privacy of their bedrooms is their concern alone and not something the rest of the world needs to even contemplate.

You did notice that the thread content was essentially about business computing didn't you? What is the business model for fun (dubious) in computing?


17 February 2010, 10:55 AM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Your Average Joe:
1 - You can't un-invent technology.

What is that throwaway line supposed to mean? And when did a revision of UI constitute technology anyway? What pressing reason can you give for migration towards an expensive and complicated product revision for any reason other than it's newer?


Quoting Your Average Joe:
2 - The Holden FJ was a good car

A dedicated few would wish to believe that.


Quoting Your Average Joe:
and performed its design functions admirably

which function was this? Oiling Driveways?


Quoting Your Average Joe:
but should we still be driving it?

You find a still working one, and then you decide!

The problem with your flawed analogy is that you've entirely failed to grasp the chasm of differentiation between the humpy and a current day Holden from a 2010 showroom. Power brakes, seat belts, 400 odd horsepower, air conditioning, working headlights etc, etc etc are all obvious differentiators in your automotive analogy. Can you offer forward similar levels of productivity differentiation between Windows versions?

What was that you were saying about ain't broke, don't fix? More to the point how in heavens name is it applicable?


Quoting Your Average Joe:
Computers are not all work. Most people have fun with theirs too.

What see as fun in the privacy of your bedroom is your business alone and of no concern to the rest of the population.

Where is the business model for fun in computing? Solitaire was never a pressing reason for computers in the workplace, never will be.


17 February 2010, 11:59 AM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

K (User):

This isn't really suprising when put in context, like what other people say about Win3.1 to 95, 95-98 to XP etc. Quite a few applications broke when Apple went from 10.5 to 10.6 last year as well.

17 February 2010, 2:55 PM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

optyk phyba (New user):

The only xp apps that i have had issues with in win7 (x64) are poorly coded with too many hooks into the system. I'm glad to be rid of them.
Neither MS or Win7 should have to shoulder the blame for that.
It seems as though many people are under the impression that Ms writes and are therefore responsible for all windows apps.

17 February 2010, 4:27 PM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ausman (User):

Most people just need an interface to launch Office apps, etc that can be locked down. XP is perfectly fine for this.
Home users generally want the "exciting" fancy interface stuff where you connect numerous devices and impress friends.

19 February 2010, 11:41 AM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bug Bear (New user):

Hi All,

I upgraded to Windows 7, (A.K.A. Windows 10), from Vista and liked the feel of it. What bugs me more is that each new version is supposed to be more stable than the last, if only that were true!!

From time to time my computer shuts down and I get the blue screen with notes telling me that Windows has detected a problem and is shutting down to protect my data, that's fine, but when it reboots a little screen pops up and requests that Windows checks for a solution - I'M YET TO GET A SOLUTION.

So how do I know what to do. Is the crash caused by one of my programs, who knows, one can only assume that non exists and that Windows 7, is just as unstable as previous versions.

23 February 2010, 11:09 AM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

anonymous user Anonymous user


Tags